Re: Stus-List C&C 33 Mk II

[Derek Leck]

I have a 1985 33' Mark II fixed keel which I absolutely love. She handles well 
in most conditions whether we are racing or cruising and when "dialed in" can 
virtually sail herself.  8 to 15 knots of wind is the sweet spot where she 
sails best. Definitely not a light air boat but can hang. Downwind in moderate 
to heavy air with following seas she gets a little squirrelly in the helm. I 
believe this is due in part to the flat surface just in front of the keel to 
the bow. ( no idea what that is called ) which allows a bit of surfing.
The only drawback has been the keel sump failure due to a design flaw and heavy 
use. Please make sure you have that carefully examined before considering a 
purchase.  May not be an issue w a centerboard boat but wanted you to be aware.

Other than that a really fun boat and look forward to hearing more about your 
search.







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On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:43 PM, "John McKay" 
mailto:jmckay...@yahoo.ca>> wrote:

I am starting to look at a 33 Mk II.

I am looking for a comfortable boat that races well. From what I can see, this 
is a nicely appointed boat.

I would be interested to hear from anyone who races this yacht.

The particular boat that is nearby is a centre board configuration. 
Mechanically, how does this operate? How does it affect the boat's ability to 
point? Does it make the boat slower than a fin keel?

John on Oxygen
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Re: Stus-List C&C 33 Mk II

[Paul Fountain]

John,

 

Where  are you located? I have a C&C 33-II centerboard version and love her!
I'd love to chat with you as we have done just about everything you can to
her so know the boat well  Perception summers at Newport Yacht
Club-Stoney Creek, and winters at 50 Point - where she is now on the hard L.
If you are nearby I'd be glad to show her to you . 

 

On your questions - 

 

The board is on a stainless steel pendant that goes back to a 2-1 and then
to a self tailing winch. We replaced the pendant this year.

 

It does take a couple of degrees of the pointing in theory, but I found her
able to point pretty well when we were racing her. Never found her slow -
won our share when we sailed well. They do hate higher than a full keel
version in PHRF.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John
McKay
Sent: October-28-13 10:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 33 Mk II

 

I am starting to look at a 33 Mk II.

 

I am looking for a comfortable boat that races well. From what I can see,
this is a nicely appointed boat.

 

I would be interested to hear from anyone who races this yacht.

 

The particular boat that is nearby is a centre board configuration.
Mechanically, how does this operate? How does it affect the boat's ability
to point? Does it make the boat slower than a fin keel?

 

John on Oxygen

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Re: Stus-List New Boat

[Rich Knowles]

Sounds as though you may have found your boat, Mark. The advice to get a good 
survey is sound. I am a bit concerned about "The fibreglass along the hull to 
keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not into the hull and is not considered 
significant. It has had a recent repair but should be reworked." I'd  be asking 
about the history of the repair and the cause of the cracking. Same for the 
strut. The recent repairs to my boat after I grounded cost $7,000, a major part 
of which went to dropping and reinstalling the keel. The engine advice is also 
good. Get a mechanic to start it up and make sure it's all good.

Rich Knowles
INDIGO LF38
Halifax, NS.





On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar  wrote:



I now have an accepted offer on 
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada#.Um6d-fmsiM4
 

I think I got them as low as they would go.  They started at $32000 Cdn - in 
the end we agreed to $22500.  I have to pay for the winter storage and the 
broker took $1000 decrease in fees to get the boat sold.  The seller is adamant 
that they will not lower the purchase price irrespective of new survey results. 

I think it's a good deal.  I could get a similar boat for a little less in 
Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats up much of the 
savings.  I took Mike's advice and tried to negotiate the local boat rather 
than trying to buy something 1200km away. 

This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard for the last 2 
years.  Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but it does have some issues 
that will need to be addressed.  Simple stuff like oiling the teak and 
cleaning.  Re-covering cushions.  A little bit of repair work on some wood. Few 
bigger issues - the cradle needs repair (metal so I'll likely need to get a 
welder at it), the main side windows have vertical cracks so all the plexi will 
need to be replaced. 
Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the hard). 

Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to find a boat that 
could do everything for me but not spend any money.  We didn't get out for a 
beer yet, but I did take his advice and move my purchase price up so I could 
get a better condition boat rather than searching for the super bargain.  I 
think size wise this boat gives me enough room to enjoy with the family, but 
still small enough to keep the work load and costs manageable. 

Recent survey is attached.  My question - would you re-survey the boat?  The 
survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for insurance purposes? Boat 
has not been in the water since the survey. 

I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker. Tapped at the 
deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my cdn tire moisture meter - 
sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the moisture meter picked up a couple areas 
that were slightly higher than others (25% vs 16-18% I  think). 
Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations.  Engine had a bit of 
surface rust. 
Few interior stains on woodwork - but all looked/felt solid. 

I'm planning on heading back down myself to dig through the sails in the 
storage locker and the other gear before we finalize - but I'm not sure if I 
should do a new survey. 

BTW - thanks for all the help getting to this point.  I've learned a lot from 
watching the discussions going back and forth and I've saved multiple email 
threads in preparation for things like re-plumbing my head etc. 
Even if I end up with the CS, I will likely continue to lurk on this list - too 
much good info to pass it up. 

Mark 


-
CONDITIONAL SURVEY

VESSEL: “SEA FEVER”

March 2012

At the request of the Owner I carried out a Conditional Survey on the C.S. 30 
Fibreglass Sloop “Sea Fever”.
The vessel is in winter storage at Gold River Marina and the steering wheel, 
the electronics, batteries and life saving equipment have been removed from the 
vessel and retained by the Owner.

Underwater Hull – Generally in good condition with the following defects:
Starboard Side
The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not 
into the hull and is not considered significant. It has had a recent repair but 
should be reworked.
The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and 
the filling has worked loose.
Port Side
The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not 
into the hull and is not considered significant.
The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and 
the filling has worked loose.
There are a few places where the glass covering on the keel have worn through 
and the lead keel is exposed.
There are 2 small knicks in the fibreglass on the transom.
Antifouling
Antifouling should be re-coated.
Rudder
Good condition but some fibreglass cracking around the pintle bearing.

2
Propellor & Shaft
Good condition overall.

Topsides
The topsides are in good 

Re: Stus-List New Boat

[Stevan Plavsa]

Get a good survey. I can send you Suhana's survey, it's a lot more thorough
and will give you an idea of what you're missing in that one.

I purchased Suhana this time of year and she was already laid up for the
winter. The deal was made conditional, there was 2k set aside in escrow in
case the motor needed any work in the spring, to be determined at time of
test sail. I did hire a marine mechanic to come and look over the motor and
run it right around the same time I got the survey done. Hearing an engine
run and idle isn't the same as driving a boat through water. The offer was
conditional on survey as well of course.

Good luck. I've always liked those CS30s, good boats.
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Sounds as though you may have found your boat, Mark. The advice to get a
> good survey is sound. I am a bit concerned about "The fibreglass along
> the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not into the hull and is
> not considered significant. It has had a recent repair but should be
> reworked." I'd  be asking about the history of the repair and the cause of
> the cracking. Same for the strut. The recent repairs to my boat after I
> grounded cost $7,000, a major part of which went to dropping and
> reinstalling the keel. The engine advice is also good. Get a mechanic to
> start it up and make sure it's all good.
>
> Rich Knowles
> INDIGO LF38
> Halifax, NS.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I now have an accepted offer on
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada#.Um6d-fmsiM4
>
>
> I think I got them as low as they would go.  They started at $32000 Cdn -
> in the end we agreed to $22500.  I have to pay for the winter storage and
> the broker took $1000 decrease in fees to get the boat sold.  The seller is
> adamant that they will not lower the purchase price irrespective of new
> survey results.
>
> I think it's a good deal.  I could get a similar boat for a little less in
> Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats up much of the
> savings.  I took Mike's advice and tried to negotiate the local boat rather
> than trying to buy something 1200km away.
>
> This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard for the
> last 2 years.  Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but it does have
> some issues that will need to be addressed.  Simple stuff like oiling the
> teak and cleaning.  Re-covering cushions.  A little bit of repair work on
> some wood. Few bigger issues - the cradle needs repair (metal so I'll
> likely need to get a welder at it), the main side windows have vertical
> cracks so all the plexi will need to be replaced.
> Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the hard).
>
> Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to find a boat
> that could do everything for me but not spend any money.  We didn't get out
> for a beer yet, but I did take his advice and move my purchase price up so
> I could get a better condition boat rather than searching for the super
> bargain.  I think size wise this boat gives me enough room to enjoy with
> the family, but still small enough to keep the work load and costs
> manageable.
>
> Recent survey is attached.  My question - would you re-survey the boat?
> The survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for insurance
> purposes? Boat has not been in the water since the survey.
>
> I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker. Tapped at
> the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my cdn tire moisture
> meter - sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the moisture meter picked up a
> couple areas that were slightly higher than others (25% vs 16-18% I  think).
>
> Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations.  Engine had a bit
> of surface rust.
> Few interior stains on woodwork - but all looked/felt solid.
>
> I'm planning on heading back down myself to dig through the sails in the
> storage locker and the other gear before we finalize - but I'm not sure if
> I should do a new survey.
>
> BTW - thanks for all the help getting to this point.  I've learned a lot
> from watching the discussions going back and forth and I've saved multiple
> email threads in preparation for things like re-plumbing my head etc.
> Even if I end up with the CS, I will likely continue to lurk on this list
> - too much good info to pass it up.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -
>
> *CONDITIONAL SURVEY*
>
> *VESSEL: “SEA FEVER”*
>
> *March 2012*
>
> At the request of the Owner I carried out a Conditional Survey on the C.S.
> 30 Fibreglass Sloop “Sea Fever”.
>
> The vessel is in winter storage at Gold River Marina and the steering
> wheel, the electronics, batteries and life saving equipment have been
> removed from the vessel and retained by the Owner.
>
> *Underwater Hull – *Generally in good condition with the following
> defects:
>
> *Starboard Side*
>

Re: Stus-List New Boat

[Marek Dziedzic]

Mark,

I add my voice to the chorus recommending a survey. 

I know how it feels when you are spending over $20k on a boat and suddenly 
everyone starts asking for $200 here and $500 there (I bought a new(er) boat 
last year). But that $600 will be money well spent. It will either show that 
most of the things are fine (and you will be happy about it) or it will unearth 
some major problems and you will be happy to walk away. You win, either way.

Having gone through the steps over the last 12 months I suggest you include in 
your calculations additional $5-7k for various repairs and additions:

- a few $k ($2-3k) for the bottom repairs (unless you can do it yourself)
- another $1-2k for instruments
- about $2-3k for the new sails
- additional $1k for miscellaneous additions, repairs, supplies, spares etc.

Not all of the above has to happen at once, but plan for it (we can talk in a 
year how this worked out for you).

Good luck and congratulations

Marek (in Ottawa)
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Re: Stus-List New Boat

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Yea, what Marek said...!

-- Original Message --
From: "Marek Dziedzic" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:53:16 -0400


Mark, I add my voice to the chorus recommending a survey. I know how it feels 
when you are spending over $20k on a boat and suddenly everyone starts asking 
for $200 here and $500 there (I bought a new(er) boat last year). But that $600 
will be money well spent. It will either show that most of the things are fine 
(and you will be happy about it) or it will unearth some major problems and you 
will be happy to walk away. You win, either way. Having gone through the steps 
over the last 12 months I suggest you include in your calculations additional 
$5-7k for various repairs and additions: - a few $k ($2-3k) for the bottom 
repairs (unless you can do it yourself)- another $1-2k for instruments- about 
$2-3k for the new sails- additional $1k for miscellaneous additions, repairs, 
supplies, spares etc. Not all of the above has to happen at once, but plan for 
it (we can talk in a year how this worked out for you). Good luck and 
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Re: Stus-List New Boat

[Stevan Plavsa]

I can't even count how much money I've spent in my 2 years of ownership
thus far. I don't really want to know to be honest! But at this point I
have a boat that's pretty well sorted.

That said, a boat ... well, it's not a sound financial decision no matter
how you look at it so go nuts!

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Marek Dziedzic wrote:

>   Mark,
>
> I add my voice to the chorus recommending a survey.
>
> I know how it feels when you are spending over $20k on a boat and suddenly
> everyone starts asking for $200 here and $500 there (I bought a new(er)
> boat last year). But that $600 will be money well spent. It will either
> show that most of the things are fine (and you will be happy about it) or
> it will unearth some major problems and you will be happy to walk away. You
> win, either way.
>
> Having gone through the steps over the last 12 months I suggest you
> include in your calculations additional $5-7k for various repairs and
> additions:
>
> - a few $k ($2-3k) for the bottom repairs (unless you can do it yourself)
> - another $1-2k for instruments
> - about $2-3k for the new sails
> - additional $1k for miscellaneous additions, repairs, supplies, spares
> etc.
>
> Not all of the above has to happen at once, but plan for it (we can talk
> in a year how this worked out for you).
>
> Good luck and congratulations
>
> Marek (in Ottawa)
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Boat

[Bill Bina]

Even a brand new boat should be surveyed before closing the deal. It can 
save you from ending up with a fatally flawed lemon that you will be 
making payments on, while not being able to use it. This HAPPENS. You 
can end up paying for and owning a brand new boat that is both unusable 
and unsellable.


Bill Bina

On 10/29/2013 9:08 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

Yea, what Marek said...!



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Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

[Dennis C.]

http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/4071917706.html
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Re: Stus-List C&C 33 Mk II

[Tim Sippel]

On the C&C photo-album , there is a yachting magazine review of the
33mkII, and it's a center board version that is taken for a sail .

Have a read ! 

 

Tim

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John
McKay
Sent: October-28-13 10:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 33 Mk II

 

I am starting to look at a 33 Mk II.

 

I am looking for a comfortable boat that races well. From what I can
see, this is a nicely appointed boat.

 

I would be interested to hear from anyone who races this yacht.

 

The particular boat that is nearby is a centre board configuration.
Mechanically, how does this operate? How does it affect the boat's
ability to point? Does it make the boat slower than a fin keel?

 

John on Oxygen


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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Well, I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up for the cover.  I 
looked around a bit more and realized just how little room there is up in the 
V-birth. It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to be doing some 
cutting.  There is a drawer and cubby on each side where the removable piece 
comes out.  I don't really want to lose those and if I did take the one right 
up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that I would not only have 
to cut the bed platform for access, I'd have to hack out the bulkhead below the 
platform to get anywhere near and adequate sized tank. So, that leaves the 
center storage area below the V-birth.  This would entail having to open the 
platform in order drop a tank in there.  The access hatch is way too small to 
get a tank through.  This also creates a longer hose run from the toilet and 
back to the through hull. I could put the tank back where the bladder is now.  
Which is under the "L" shaped settee just aft of the head.  This is probably 
the most convenient location.  Which is why the bladder is there now. I'm not 
really sure how Big a tank I can get in there but I think that is where I'll 
end up putting it.  I can't really see any reason not to put it there really.  
Short hose runs,  close to the existing pump out.  I was kind of hoping to add 
some more water storage there. Any ideas or insight, as always, will be greatly 
appreciated. Thanks,Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Paul Fountain 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:09:49 -0400


Marek,
 
Check with Paynes in Burlington, they carry the hoses – but are strictly 
a wholesaler – they will have a local retailer who can order for you 
– in the Burlington/Oakville area I use Dockside Marine – I am sure 
James would ship to you if you wantd.
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic
Sent: October-24-13 11:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
 
Steve,
 
where did you source the replacement hoses (in Canada)? From what I know you 
should use only the very specific type (all others permeate the smell in 3-4 
months)
 
Marek 
in Ottawa
 
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:24:40 -0400
From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

I changed my hoses when it was cold out. Smell is less .. impacting .. when
it's cold. But it's harder to get the hoses off. They'll be hard to remove
in any case. If I was doing it over again I'de use one of those multi-tools
to put a slit in the hose end and replace the fitting if it got damaged.
Would save a lot of frustration.

Have those big heavy duty contractor grade garbage bags on hand. They'll
contain anything

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

[djhaug...@juno.com]

oh boy, sounds like their is a deeper story here...  way too much bling for 
$8KSoft decks?  needs a new keel?   New Cushions throughout would be $2500 - 
$3500 on there own. The vinyl (vinal) teak and holly sole kinda scares me.  I 
saw this at the boat show.  reminded me of the peel and stick cheapo rental 
property tiles that are typically used to hide something.  I guess good old 
boat just did a favorable article on this stuff though.  so, my opinion is just 
that, completely subjective. New diesel fuel, or a new diesel engine?   I'm 
curious...  LOL Danny

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C." 
To: CnClist 
Subject: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT)


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Stus-List 2014 Northeast Rendezvous.

[Robert Gallagher]

Northeasters,

I'm asking for a little assistance in getting the word out for our survey
that will decide the location of next years event. We received a dozen or
so replies in the first couple of days but then it fizzled. Spam spam spam.
Facebook, sailing forums, word of mouth, etc.

http://fluidsurveys.com/surveys/cnc-2013-rendezvous/2014-northeast-c-c-rendezvous/

Thanks

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Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

[Della Barba, Joe]

My boat must be worth $29.95 at most then :(

1972 C&C sailboat 35ft NEW DEISEL, fuel tank and gauges
$8,000-$12,000 here.

, cushions redone,
$2,000-$,5000 here.



head, holding tank new, all new wiring, hatch AC, new vinal teak holly sole 
floor, sails main jib 110, 130, 160. Bottom done in spring, boot stripe done in 
spring. Port lights rebedded last fall by marina. Must see. Call me daytime @ 
609-743-7172

Not clear on the sails as to age or condition. This boat is selling for barely 
twice the scrap value of the lead with a frigging new diesel? Excuse me 
while I get depressed.
Just remembered I had a fantastic sail home from the club Sunday. Happier now :)


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:15 AM
To: capt...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

oh boy, sounds like their is a deeper story here...  way too much bling for 
$8K
Soft decks?  needs a new keel?

New Cushions throughout would be $2500 - $3500 on there own.

The vinyl (vinal) teak and holly sole kinda scares me.  I saw this at the boat 
show.  reminded me of the peel and stick cheapo rental property tiles that are 
typically used to hide something.  I guess good old boat just did a favorable 
article on this stuff though.  so, my opinion is just that, completely 
subjective.

New diesel fuel, or a new diesel engine?

I'm curious...  LOL

Danny


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Subject: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT)
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Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

[Hoyt, Mike]

My father used to say that you had to put aside 10% of purchase price of
a boat, motorhome, etc... each year for operating costs.  Of course he
bought new and paid in 1981 81K after instruments, sails, etc for a
C&C36
 
I think with todays boat market those of us with used boats must now put
aside at least 100% of current market value/purchase price for annual
operating costs.  Is in fact pretty depressing ...
 
 



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:35 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore



My boat must be worth $29.95 at most then L

 

1972 C&C sailboat 35ft NEW DEISEL, fuel tank and gauges

$8,000-$12,000 here.

 

, cushions redone,

$2,000-$,5000 here.

 

 

 

head, holding tank new, all new wiring, hatch AC, new vinal teak holly
sole floor, sails main jib 110, 130, 160. Bottom done in spring, boot
stripe done in spring. Port lights rebedded last fall by marina. Must
see. Call me daytime @ 609-743-7172

 

Not clear on the sails as to age or condition. This boat is selling for
barely twice the scrap value of the lead with a frigging new diesel?
Excuse me while I get depressed.

Just remembered I had a fantastic sail home from the club Sunday.
Happier now J

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:15 AM
To: capt...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

 

oh boy, sounds like their is a deeper story here...  way too much
bling for $8K

Soft decks?  needs a new keel?  

 

New Cushions throughout would be $2500 - $3500 on there own.

 

The vinyl (vinal) teak and holly sole kinda scares me.  I saw this at
the boat show.  reminded me of the peel and stick cheapo rental property
tiles that are typically used to hide something.  I guess good old boat
just did a favorable article on this stuff though.  so, my opinion is
just that, completely subjective.

 

New diesel fuel, or a new diesel engine?  

 

I'm curious...  LOL

 

Danny



-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C." 
To: CnClist 
Subject: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT)

http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/4071917706.html

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[djhaug...@juno.com]

could be abandoned at the yard and they are trying to recoup their losses?

-- Original Message --
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:35:18 -0400


My boat must be worth $29.95 at most then L
 
1972 C&C sailboat 35ft NEW DEISEL, fuel tank and gauges
$8,000-$12,000 here.
 
, cushions redone,
$2,000-$,5000 here.
 
 
 
 head, holding tank new, all new wiring, hatch AC, new vinal teak holly sole 
floor, sails main jib 110, 130, 160. Bottom done in spring, boot stripe done in 
spring. Port lights rebedded last fall by marina. Must see. Call me daytime @ 
609-743-7172
 
Not clear on the sails as to age or condition. This boat is selling for barely 
twice the scrap value of the lead with a frigging new diesel? Excuse me 
while I get depressed.
Just remembered I had a fantastic sail home from the club Sunday. Happier now J
 
 
Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:15 AM
To: capt...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
 
oh boy, sounds like their is a deeper story here...  way too much bling for 
$8K
Soft decks?  needs a new keel?  
 
New Cushions throughout would be $2500 - $3500 on there own.
 
The vinyl (vinal) teak and holly sole kinda scares me.  I saw this at the boat 
show.  reminded me of the peel and stick cheapo rental property tiles that are 
typically used to hide something.  I guess good old boat just did a favorable 
article on this stuff though.  so, my opinion is just that, completely 
subjective.
 
New diesel fuel, or a new diesel engine?  
 
I'm curious...  LOL
 
Danny


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From: "Dennis C." 
To: CnClist 
Subject: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT)
http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/4071917706.html
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Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

[Bill Coleman]

V Berth (Birth) Forgive me, Danny, and don't hit me. Smiley face. Whatever.

 

Bill Coleman

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:15 AM
To: capt...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

 

oh boy, sounds like their is a deeper story here...  way too much bling
for $8K

Soft decks?  needs a new keel?  

 

New Cushions throughout would be $2500 - $3500 on there own.

 

The vinyl (vinal) teak and holly sole kinda scares me.  I saw this at the
boat show.  reminded me of the peel and stick cheapo rental property tiles
that are typically used to hide something.  I guess good old boat just did a
favorable article on this stuff though.  so, my opinion is just that,
completely subjective.

 

New diesel fuel, or a new diesel engine?  

 

I'm curious...  LOL

 

Danny



-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C." 
To: CnClist 
Subject: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT)

http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/4071917706.html

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Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

[Ronald B. Frerker]

A friend sold one here for about the same, but it had the old A-4 and no new 
wiring or cushions.  I was depressed about that!  Now I'm really down.
He was ready to give it to charity.
We got to find a way to get younger folks into the sport just so we can sell 
our boats when they ship us off to the home.
Ron
Wild Cheri
STL




On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:43 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  
wrote:
 
could be abandoned at the yard and they are trying to recoup their losses?

-- Original Message --
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:35:18 -0400


My boat must be worth $29.95 at most then L
 
1972 C&C sailboat 35ft NEW DEISEL, fuel tank and gauges
$8,000-$12,000 here.
 
, cushions redone,
$2,000-$,5000 here.
 
 
 
head, holding tank new, all new wiring, hatch AC, new vinal teak holly sole 
floor, sails main jib 110, 130, 160. Bottom done in spring, boot stripe done in 
spring. Port lights rebedded last fall by marina. Must see. Call me daytime @ 
609-743-7172
 
Not clear on the sails as to age or condition. This boat is selling for barely 
twice the scrap value of the lead with a frigging new diesel? Excuse me 
while I get depressed.
Just remembered I had a fantastic sail home from the club Sunday. Happier now J
 
 
Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I
From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:15 AM
To: capt...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
 
oh boy, sounds like their is a deeper story here...  way too much bling for 
$8K
Soft decks?  needs a new keel?  
 
New Cushions throughout would be $2500 - $3500 on there own.
 
The vinyl (vinal) teak and holly sole kinda scares me.  I saw this at the boat 
show.  reminded me of the peel and stick cheapo rental property tiles that are 
typically used to hide something.  I guess good old boat just did a favorable 
article on this stuff though.  so, my opinion is just that, completely 
subjective.
 
New diesel fuel, or a new diesel engine?  
 
I'm curious...  LOL
 
Danny


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From: "Dennis C." 
To: CnClist 
Subject: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT)
http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/4071917706.html

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Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

[djhaug...@juno.com]

lol...well played...

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From: "Bill Coleman" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:22:50 -0400


V Berth (Birth) Forgive me, Danny, and don’t hit me. Smiley face. 
Whatever.
 
Bill Coleman
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
djhaug...@juno.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:15 AM
 To: capt...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
 
oh boy, sounds like their is a deeper story here...  way too much bling for 
$8K
Soft decks?  needs a new keel?  
 
New Cushions throughout would be $2500 - $3500 on there own.
 
The vinyl (vinal) teak and holly sole kinda scares me.  I saw this at the boat 
show.  reminded me of the peel and stick cheapo rental property tiles that are 
typically used to hide something.  I guess good old boat just did a favorable 
article on this stuff though.  so, my opinion is just that, completely 
subjective.
 
New diesel fuel, or a new diesel engine?  
 
I'm curious...  LOL
 
Danny

 
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 Subject: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore
 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:39 -0700 (PDT)
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Stus-List 2014 NE Rendezvous

[Maturo, John]

II

 

I am starting to look at a 33 Mk II.

 

I am looking for a comfortable boat that races well. From what I can see, this 
is a nicely appointed boat.

 

I would be interested to hear from anyone who races this yacht.

 

The particular boat that is nearby is a centre board configuration.
Mechanically, how does this operate? How does it affect the boat's ability to 
point? Does it make the boat slower than a fin keel?

 

John on Oxygen

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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:20:13 -0300
From: Rich Knowles 
To: cnc-list Cnc-List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat
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Sounds as though you may have found your boat, Mark. The advice to get a good 
survey is sound. I am a bit concerned about "The fibreglass along the hull to 
keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not into the hull and is not considered 
significant. It has had a recent repair but should be reworked." I'd  be asking 
about the history of the repair and the cause of the cracking. Same for the 
strut. The recent repairs to my boat after I grounded cost $7,000, a major part 
of which went to dropping and reinstalling the keel. The engine advice is also 
good. Get a mechanic to start it up and make sure it's all good.

Rich Knowles
INDIGO LF38
Halifax, NS.





On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar  wrote:



I now have an accepted offer on
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada#.Um6d-fmsiM4
 

I think I got them as low as they would go.  They started at $32000 Cdn - in 
the end we agreed to $22500.  I have to pay for the winter storage and the 
broker took $1000 decrease in fees to get the boat sold.  The seller is adamant 
that they will not lower the purchase price irrespective of new survey results. 

I think it's a good deal.  I could get a similar boat for a little less in 
Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats up much of the 
savings.  I took Mike's advice and tried to negotiate the local boat rather 
than trying to buy something 1200km away. 

This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard for the last 2 
years.  Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but it does have some issues 
that will need to be addressed.  Simple stuff like oiling the teak and 
cleaning.  Re-covering cushions.  A little bit of repair work on some wood. Few 
bigger issues - the cradle needs repair (metal so I'll likely need to get a 
welder at it), the main side windows have vertical cracks so all the plexi will 
need to be replaced. 
Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the hard). 

Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to find a boat that 
could do everything for me but not spend any money.  We didn't get out for a 
beer yet, but I did take his advice and move my purchase price up so I could 
get a better condition boat rather than searching for the super bargain.  I 
think size wise this boat gives me enough room to enjoy with the family, but 
still small enough to keep the work load and costs manageable. 

Recent survey is attached.  My question - would you re-survey the boat?  The 
survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for insurance purposes? Boat 
has not been in the water since the survey. 

I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker. Tapped at the 
deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my cdn tire moisture meter - 
sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the moisture meter picked up a couple areas 
that were slightly higher than others (25% vs 16-18% I  think). 
Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations.  Engine had a bit of 
surface rust. 
Few interior stains on woodwork - but all looked/felt solid. 

I'm planning on heading back down myself to dig through the sails in the 
storage locker and the other gear before we finalize - but I'm not sure if I 
should do a new survey. 

BTW - thanks for all the help getting to this point.  I've learned a lot from 
watching the discussions going back and forth and I've saved multiple email 
threads in preparation for things like re-plumbing my head etc. 
Even if I end up with the CS, I will likely continue to lurk on this list - too 
much good info to pass it up. 

Mark 


-
CONDITIONAL SURVEY

VESSEL: ?SEA FEVER?

March 2012

At the request of the Owner I carried out a Conditional Survey on the C.S. 30 
Fibreglass Sloop ?Sea Fever?.
The vessel is in winter storage at Gold River Marina and the steering wheel, 
the electronics, batteries and life saving equipment have been removed from the 
vessel and retained by the Owner

Stus-List free boats wanted CRYC

[Della Barba, Joe]

The Corsica River Yacht Club is looking for boats. We need 13-16 foot Boston 
Whalers or similar for patrol boats and/or 12-16 foot RIBs in decent condition. 
Nothing has to be new or pretty, but it does need to be a usable boat. We have 
a 501 foundation to run these through for tax purposed and these are not for 
resale but for our own continuous use. Also interested in Lasers, Sunfish, 
Optis, and 420s.
Thanks! 

Joe Della Barba
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system

[Dennis C.]

Danny,

Is the platform under the v-berth cushions screwed down?  If so, take it up, 
install the tank and replace it. 

Dennis C. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:
> 
> Well,
>  
> I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up for the cover.  I 
> looked around a bit more and realized just how little room there is up in the 
> V-birth.
>  
> It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to be doing some 
> cutting.  There is a drawer and cubby on each side where the removable piece 
> comes out.  I don't really want to lose those and if I did take the one right 
> up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that I would not only 
> have to cut the bed platform for access, I'd have to hack out the bulkhead 
> below the platform to get anywhere near and adequate sized tank.
>  
> So, that leaves the center storage area below the V-birth.  This would entail 
> having to open the platform in order drop a tank in there.  The access hatch 
> is way too small to get a tank through.  This also creates a longer hose run 
> from the toilet and back to the through hull.
>  
> I could put the tank back where the bladder is now.  Which is under the "L" 
> shaped settee just aft of the head.  This is probably the most convenient 
> location.  Which is why the bladder is there now.
>  
> I'm not really sure how Big a tank I can get in there but I think that is 
> where I'll end up putting it.  I can't really see any reason not to put it 
> there really.  Short hose runs,  close to the existing pump out.  I was kind 
> of hoping to add some more water storage there.
>  
> Any ideas or insight, as always, will be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Thanks,
> Danny
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Paul Fountain 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:09:49 -0400
> 
> Marek,
> 
>  
> 
> Check with Paynes in Burlington, they carry the hoses – but are strictly a 
> wholesaler – they will have a local retailer who can order for you – in the 
> Burlington/Oakville area I use Dockside Marine – I am sure James would ship 
> to you if you wantd.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
> Dziedzic
> Sent: October-24-13 11:33 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> 
>  
> 
> Steve,
> 
>  
> 
> where did you source the replacement hoses (in Canada)? From what I know you 
> should use only the very specific type (all others permeate the smell in 3-4 
> months)
> 
>  
> 
> Marek
> 
> in Ottawa
> 
>  
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:24:40 -0400
> From: Stevan Plavsa 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> I changed my hoses when it was cold out. Smell is less .. impacting .. when
> it's cold. But it's harder to get the hoses off. They'll be hard to remove
> in any case. If I was doing it over again I'de use one of those multi-tools
> to put a slit in the hose end and replace the fitting if it got damaged.
> Would save a lot of frustration.
> 
> Have those big heavy duty contractor grade garbage bags on hand. They'll
> contain anything
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system

[djhaug...@juno.com]

No, it is one large piece tabbed to the hull.  It has just the one hatch for 
access. my boat has a "V-birth!"  it gives life to it's (its) inhabitants each 
morning! Imagine what it could give birth to if I really do get the holding 
tank there... Danny  

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C." 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:26:59 -0500


Danny, Is the platform under the v-berth cushions screwed down?  If so, take it 
up, install the tank and replace it.  Dennis C. 

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

Well, I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up for the cover.  I 
looked around a bit more and realized just how little room there is up in the 
V-birth. It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to be doing some 
cutting.  There is a drawer and cubby on each side where the removable piece 
comes out.  I don't really want to lose those and if I did take the one right 
up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that I would not only have 
to cut the bed platform for access, I'd have to hack out the bulkhead below the 
platform to get anywhere near and adequate sized tank. So, that leaves the 
center storage area below the V-birth.  This would entail having to open the 
platform in order drop a tank in there.  The access hatch is way too small to 
get a tank through.  This also creates a longer hose run from the toilet and 
back to the through hull. I could put the tank back where the bladder is now.  
Which is under the "L" shaped settee just aft of the head.  This is probably 
the most convenient location.  Which is why the bladder is there now. I'm not 
really sure how Big a tank I can get in there but I think that is where I'll 
end up putting it.  I can't really see any reason not to put it there really.  
Short hose runs,  close to the existing pump out.  I was kind of hoping to add 
some more water storage there. Any ideas or insight, as always, will be greatly 
appreciated. Thanks,Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Paul Fountain 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:09:49 -0400

 
Marek,
 
Check with Paynes in Burlington, they carry the hoses – but are strictly 
a wholesaler – they will have a local retailer who can order for you 
– in the Burlington/Oakville area I use Dockside Marine – I am sure 
James would ship to you if you wantd.
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic
Sent: October-24-13 11:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
 
Steve,
 
where did you source the replacement hoses (in Canada)? From what I know you 
should use only the very specific type (all others permeate the smell in 3-4 
months)
 
Marek 
in Ottawa
 
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:24:40 -0400
From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

I changed my hoses when it was cold out. Smell is less .. impacting .. when
it's cold. But it's harder to get the hoses off. They'll be hard to remove
in any case. If I was doing it over again I'de use one of those multi-tools
to put a slit in the hose end and replace the fitting if it got damaged.
Would save a lot of frustration.

Have those big heavy duty contractor grade garbage bags on hand. They'll
contain anything

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system

[Dennis C.]

Danny,

I just got on Touché and looked at the platform. Yup, it's part of the interior 
pan. 

Plan B - cut out the platform above the center storage. Use a jigsaw or a 
multimax vibrating saw. Drop in the tank. Put the cutout back by letting it 
rest on new wooden cleats under the cut. Just like the access panel except 
screwed down. 

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2013, at 12:47 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:
> 
> No, it is one large piece tabbed to the hull.  It has just the one hatch for 
> access.
>  
> my boat has a "V-birth!"  it gives life to it's (its) inhabitants each 
> morning!
>  
> Imagine what it could give birth to if I really do get the holding tank 
> there...
>  
> Danny
>  
>  
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:26:59 -0500
> 
> Danny,
>  
> Is the platform under the v-berth cushions screwed down?  If so, take it up, 
> install the tank and replace it. 
>  
> Dennis C. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:
> 
> Well,
>  
> I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up for the cover.  I 
> looked around a bit more and realized just how little room there is up in the 
> V-birth.
>  
> It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to be doing some 
> cutting.  There is a drawer and cubby on each side where the removable piece 
> comes out.  I don't really want to lose those and if I did take the one right 
> up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that I would not only 
> have to cut the bed platform for access, I'd have to hack out the bulkhead 
> below the platform to get anywhere near and adequate sized tank.
>  
> So, that leaves the center storage area below the V-birth.  This would entail 
> having to open the platform in order drop a tank in there.  The access hatch 
> is way too small to get a tank through.  This also creates a longer hose run 
> from the toilet and back to the through hull.
>  
> I could put the tank back where the bladder is now.  Which is under the "L" 
> shaped settee just aft of the head.  This is probably the most convenient 
> location.  Which is why the bladder is there now.
>  
> I'm not really sure how Big a tank I can get in there but I think that is 
> where I'll end up putting it.  I can't really see any reason not to put it 
> there really.  Short hose runs,  close to the existing pump out.  I was kind 
> of hoping to add some more water storage there.
>  
> Any ideas or insight, as always, will be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Thanks,
> Danny
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Paul Fountain 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:09:49 -0400
> 
>  
> 
> Marek,
> 
>  
> 
> Check with Paynes in Burlington, they carry the hoses – but are strictly a 
> wholesaler – they will have a local retailer who can order for you – in the 
> Burlington/Oakville area I use Dockside Marine – I am sure James would ship 
> to you if you wantd.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
> Dziedzic
> Sent: October-24-13 11:33 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> 
>  
> 
> Steve,
> 
>  
> 
> where did you source the replacement hoses (in Canada)? From what I know you 
> should use only the very specific type (all others permeate the smell in 3-4 
> months)
> 
>  
> 
> Marek
> 
> in Ottawa
> 
>  
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:24:40 -0400
> From: Stevan Plavsa 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> I changed my hoses when it was cold out. Smell is less .. impacting .. when
> it's cold. But it's harder to get the hoses off. They'll be hard to remove
> in any case. If I was doing it over again I'de use one of those multi-tools
> to put a slit in the hose end and replace the fitting if it got damaged.
> Would save a lot of frustration.
> 
> Have those big heavy duty contractor grade garbage bags on hand. They'll
> contain anything
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Dennis, Thanks!  Do you think this is preferable to the current location of the 
bladder tank? There is actually a thru hull I was planning on getting rid of 
under the starboard settee.  It is a transducer of some ancient equipment long 
abandoned.  I guess, as a pro, I could run a hose from the tank to that thru 
hull for possible dumping. That way, I could have a wye valve for direct 
discharge or tank flushing and then not need a wye valve for pumping/dumping.  
2- connections on the tank.  I may even be able to pull off a gravity drain as 
the tank will be a little higher than the through-hull.  I would have to have 
the outlet at the bottom of the tank for that, and that does worry me some.  I 
could always mount a manual pump I guess... The only biggest con I see is that 
the toilet will actually be pumping uphill to the tank and will require more 
fresh water to clear the hose all the way to the tank, filling the tank faster. 
am I seeing things correctly? Danny

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C." 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:24:25 -0500


Danny, I just got on Touché and looked at the platform. Yup, it's part of the 
interior pan.  Plan B - cut out the platform above the center storage. Use a 
jigsaw or a multimax vibrating saw. Drop in the tank. Put the cutout back by 
letting it rest on new wooden cleats under the cut. Just like the access panel 
except screwed down.  Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 29, 2013, at 12:47 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

No, it is one large piece tabbed to the hull.  It has just the one hatch for 
access. my boat has a "V-birth!"  it gives life to it's (its) inhabitants each 
morning! Imagine what it could give birth to if I really do get the holding 
tank there... Danny  

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C." 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:26:59 -0500

 
Danny, Is the platform under the v-berth cushions screwed down?  If so, take it 
up, install the tank and replace it.  Dennis C. 

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

Well, I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up for the cover.  I 
looked around a bit more and realized just how little room there is up in the 
V-birth. It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to be doing some 
cutting.  There is a drawer and cubby on each side where the removable piece 
comes out.  I don't really want to lose those and if I did take the one right 
up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that I would not only have 
to cut the bed platform for access, I'd have to hack out the bulkhead below the 
platform to get anywhere near and adequate sized tank. So, that leaves the 
center storage area below the V-birth.  This would entail having to open the 
platform in order drop a tank in there.  The access hatch is way too small to 
get a tank through.  This also creates a longer hose run from the toilet and 
back to the through hull. I could put the tank back where the bladder is now.  
Which is under the "L" shaped settee just aft of the head.  This is probably 
the most convenient location.  Which is why the bladder is there now. I'm not 
really sure how Big a tank I can get in there but I think that is where I'll 
end up putting it.  I can't really see any reason not to put it there really.  
Short hose runs,  close to the existing pump out.  I was kind of hoping to add 
some more water storage there. Any ideas or insight, as always, will be greatly 
appreciated. Thanks,Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Paul Fountain 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:09:49 -0400

 
Marek,
 
Check with Paynes in Burlington, they carry the hoses – but are strictly 
a wholesaler – they will have a local retailer who can order for you 
– in the Burlington/Oakville area I use Dockside Marine – I am sure 
James would ship to you if you wantd.
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic
Sent: October-24-13 11:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
 
Steve,
 
where did you source the replacement hoses (in Canada)? From what I know you 
should use only the very specific type (all others permeate the smell in 3-4 
months)
 
Marek 
in Ottawa
 
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:24:40 -0400
From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

I changed my hoses when it was cold out. Smell is less .. impacting .. when
it's cold. But it's harder to get the hoses off. They'll be hard to remove
in any case. If I was doing it over again I'de use one of those multi-tools
to put a slit in the hose end and repla

Stus-List To the barricades!

[Jim Watts]

For those that are familiar with Sailing Anarchy, there is a thread going
on right now on a good boat for singlehanded cruiser/racer. One of the more
annoying twits on SA maintains that C&C's are in the Hunter/Catalina
league...and cheaply built. Anyone else want to jump on? I have already
told him what I think.
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=15&page=2#entry4368064


-- 
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Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

[Wally Bryant]

Last time I added it up, mine is worth about 1.5M.  


On 10/29/2013 2:35 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:

My boat must be worth $29.95 at most then:(



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Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

[Della Barba, Joe]

That boat is sold now.

Joe Della Barba


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

Last time I added it up, mine is worth about 1.5M.  


On 10/29/2013 2:35 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:
> My boat must be worth $29.95 at most then:(


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Re: Stus-List To the barricades!

[Colomba]

Hi Jim

 you know ... sailingboats / sailing is a little bit like religion, so 
discussing with someone who is believing in an other god or boat, is ok, 
if you are in one room and enough beer is available, otherwise I would 
recommend ... let people believe what they want to believe and enjoye 
your boat and your way of life. Btw  as political anarchist I`m 
always surprised of the way of discussions on a board which  called 
itselfe ... anarchy. I`m sure they never had a closer look into the 
ideas of anarchy like stated i.e. by Kropotkin, Bakunin, Gandhi, Lao 
Tse, Goldman, Rocker.  So, let`s have a beer tonight and keep in mind, 
basic of anarchy is the idea that every human being is allowed to think 
what he/she want`s to think, to live his/her life as he/she wants to 
live and to make every failure and maybe learning by doing them ... The 
only limit is, the freedom of your neighour. So ... does he interfere 
your freedom?


 Skoll ;-)

  Am 29.10.2013 20:15, schrieb Jim Watts:


For those that are familiar with Sailing Anarchy, there is a thread 
going on right now on a good boat for singlehanded cruiser/racer. One 
of the more annoying twits on SA maintains that C&C's are in the 
Hunter/Catalina league...and cheaply built. Anyone else want to jump 
on? I have already told him what I think.

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=15&page=2#entry4368064


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Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

[Steve Thomas]

 I got as far as checking the cost of return airfare...

Steve Thomas

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:43 PM
To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore


That boat is sold now.

Joe Della Barba


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1972 35 for sale near Baltimore

Last time I added it up, mine is worth about 1.5M.  


On 10/29/2013 2:35 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:
> My boat must be worth $29.95 at most then:(


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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system

[Dennis C.]

You're probably seeing them correctly. Use a water level to confirm. 

I don't have a problem with bladder tanks. I'd just go with a simple 
replacement in the existing location. 

I have a blabber tank on Touché.  It's located outboard of the head between the 
hull and liner. 

Dennis C.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:55 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:
> 
> Dennis,
>  
> Thanks!  Do you think this is preferable to the current location of the 
> bladder tank?
>  
> There is actually a thru hull I was planning on getting rid of under the 
> starboard settee.  It is a transducer of some ancient equipment long 
> abandoned.  I guess, as a pro, I could run a hose from the tank to that thru 
> hull for possible dumping.
>  
> That way, I could have a wye valve for direct discharge or tank flushing and 
> then not need a wye valve for pumping/dumping.  2- connections on the tank.  
> I may even be able to pull off a gravity drain as the tank will be a little 
> higher than the through-hull.  I would have to have the outlet at the bottom 
> of the tank for that, and that does worry me some.  I could always mount a 
> manual pump I guess...
>  
> The only biggest con I see is that the toilet will actually be pumping uphill 
> to the tank and will require more fresh water to clear the hose all the way 
> to the tank, filling the tank faster.
>  
> am I seeing things correctly?
>  
> Danny
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:24:25 -0500
> 
> Danny,
>  
> I just got on Touché and looked at the platform. Yup, it's part of the 
> interior pan. 
>  
> Plan B - cut out the platform above the center storage. Use a jigsaw or a 
> multimax vibrating saw. Drop in the tank. Put the cutout back by letting it 
> rest on new wooden cleats under the cut. Just like the access panel except 
> screwed down. 
>  
> Dennis C.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 12:47 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:
> 
> No, it is one large piece tabbed to the hull.  It has just the one hatch for 
> access.
>  
> my boat has a "V-birth!"  it gives life to it's (its) inhabitants each 
> morning!
>  
> Imagine what it could give birth to if I really do get the holding tank 
> there...
>  
> Danny
>  
>  
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:26:59 -0500
> 
>  
> 
> Danny,
>  
> Is the platform under the v-berth cushions screwed down?  If so, take it up, 
> install the tank and replace it. 
>  
> Dennis C. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:
> 
> Well,
>  
> I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up for the cover.  I 
> looked around a bit more and realized just how little room there is up in the 
> V-birth.
>  
> It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to be doing some 
> cutting.  There is a drawer and cubby on each side where the removable piece 
> comes out.  I don't really want to lose those and if I did take the one right 
> up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that I would not only 
> have to cut the bed platform for access, I'd have to hack out the bulkhead 
> below the platform to get anywhere near and adequate sized tank.
>  
> So, that leaves the center storage area below the V-birth.  This would entail 
> having to open the platform in order drop a tank in there.  The access hatch 
> is way too small to get a tank through.  This also creates a longer hose run 
> from the toilet and back to the through hull.
>  
> I could put the tank back where the bladder is now.  Which is under the "L" 
> shaped settee just aft of the head.  This is probably the most convenient 
> location.  Which is why the bladder is there now.
>  
> I'm not really sure how Big a tank I can get in there but I think that is 
> where I'll end up putting it.  I can't really see any reason not to put it 
> there really.  Short hose runs,  close to the existing pump out.  I was kind 
> of hoping to add some more water storage there.
>  
> Any ideas or insight, as always, will be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Thanks,
> Danny
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Paul Fountain 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:09:49 -0400
> 
>  
> 
> Marek,
> 
>  
> 
> Check with Paynes in Burlington, they carry the hoses – but are strictly a 
> wholesaler – they will have a local retailer who can order for you – in the 
> Burlington/Oakville area I use Dockside Marine – I am sure James would ship 
> to you if you wantd.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
> Dziedzic
> Sent: October-24-13 11:33 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ne

Re: Stus-List To the barricades!

[Andrew Burton]

I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it.

 George Bernard Shaw




On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Watts  wrote:

>
> For those that are familiar with Sailing Anarchy, there is a thread going
> on right now on a good boat for singlehanded cruiser/racer. One of the more
> annoying twits on SA maintains that C&C's are in the Hunter/Catalina
> league...and cheaply built. Anyone else want to jump on? I have already
> told him what I think.
>
> http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=15&page=2#entry4368064
>
>
> --
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> Paradigm Shift
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> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List To the barricades!

[Rich Knowles]

I never knew that was a GBS quote. I had a t-shirt years ago that said "Never 
Teach a Pig to Sing. It Wastes your Time and Annoys the Pig!" Hmmm... True. 

Rich

> On Oct 29, 2013, at 18:49, Andrew Burton  wrote:
> 
> I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, 
> the pig likes it.
> 
> George Bernard Shaw
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Watts  wrote:
>> 
>> For those that are familiar with Sailing Anarchy, there is a thread going on 
>> right now on a good boat for singlehanded cruiser/racer. One of the more 
>> annoying twits on SA maintains that C&C's are in the Hunter/Catalina 
>> league...and cheaply built. Anyone else want to jump on? I have already told 
>> him what I think. 
>> http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=15&page=2#entry4368064
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List To the barricades!

[Jim Watts]

I thought that was Robert A. Heinlein.

In my mind it's not a matter of whether he is infringing on my
freedom...which he is, because everyone who believes that a C&C is the same
as a Catalina is the same as a Hunter is not going to put a premium on
buying *my* boat. I'm standing up for the brand.
I'm also irritated at that particular idiot. He has many sweeping
generalizations, most of them wrong. This one rubbed me the wrong way.


On 29 October 2013 14:49, Andrew Burton  wrote:

> I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
> besides, the pig likes it.
>
>  George Bernard Shaw
> 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Watts wrote:
>
>>
>> For those that are familiar with Sailing Anarchy, there is a thread going
>> on right now on a good boat for singlehanded cruiser/racer. One of the more
>> annoying twits on SA maintains that C&C's are in the Hunter/Catalina
>> league...and cheaply built. Anyone else want to jump on? I have already
>> told him what I think.
>>
>> http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=15&page=2#entry4368064
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Paradigm Shift
>> C&C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>>
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Re: Stus-List To the barricades!

[Hoyt, Mike]

Some people are dead set against ‎cored decks. They get way too out of sorts about this. C&c's are great boats and a great standard for others to measure againstMike  Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network. From: Andrew BurtonSent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:50 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List To the barricades!I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.




George Bernard Shaw
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Watts  wrote:

For those that are familiar with Sailing Anarchy, there is a thread going on right now on a good boat for singlehanded cruiser/racer. One of the more annoying twits on SA maintains that C&C's are in the Hunter/Catalina league...and cheaply built. Anyone else want to jump on? I have already told him what I think. 


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Re: Stus-List To the barricades!

[dwight veinot]

The current resale values of many listed C&C's might suggest that...I am
very happy with my old C&C even though her resale value may be low but I
have seen enough of the C&C brand to know that all are not equal, some
builds have what I consider serious structural issues while others have
stood the test of time for over 40 years...


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Jim Watts  wrote:

>
> For those that are familiar with Sailing Anarchy, there is a thread going
> on right now on a good boat for singlehanded cruiser/racer. One of the more
> annoying twits on SA maintains that C&C's are in the Hunter/Catalina
> league...and cheaply built. Anyone else want to jump on? I have already
> told him what I think.
>
> http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=15&page=2#entry4368064
>
>
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Re: Stus-List To the barricades!

[Rich Knowles]

Easy, Jim. It's bad for your heart:) FWIW. The shop where I had my boat 
recently repaired said they were amazed that damage was restricted to just the 
keel itself, the hull/keel joint and the rudder and rudder shaft. There was no 
damage whatsoever to the hull anywhere. They also said they see all sorts of 
boats and the older C&C's are the toughest. They specifically mentioned Hunter, 
Catalina and Beneteau, old or new, as being boats that would have had severe 
damage to the sump and rudder support areas of the hull. This was offered, not 
asked. 

Rich

> On Oct 29, 2013, at 19:34, Jim Watts  wrote:
> 
> I thought that was Robert A. Heinlein. 
> 
> In my mind it's not a matter of whether he is infringing on my 
> freedom...which he is, because everyone who believes that a C&C is the same 
> as a Catalina is the same as a Hunter is not going to put a premium on buying 
> my boat. I'm standing up for the brand. 
> I'm also irritated at that particular idiot. He has many sweeping 
> generalizations, most of them wrong. This one rubbed me the wrong way. 
> 
> 
>> On 29 October 2013 14:49, Andrew Burton  wrote:
>> I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, 
>> the pig likes it.
>> 
>> George Bernard Shaw
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jim Watts  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For those that are familiar with Sailing Anarchy, there is a thread going 
>>> on right now on a good boat for singlehanded cruiser/racer. One of the more 
>>> annoying twits on SA maintains that C&C's are in the Hunter/Catalina 
>>> league...and cheaply built. Anyone else want to jump on? I have already 
>>> told him what I think. 
>>> http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=15&page=2#entry4368064
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Paradigm Shift
>>> C&C 35 Mk III
>>> Victoria, BC
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>> Newport, RI
>> USA 02840
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Re: Stus-List To the barricades!

[Bill Bina]

  
  
I have always found that people easily
  understand when I tell them that if sailboats were cars, a
  Catalina is a Chevy and C&C is a BMW.  I think it's a pretty
  fair analogy. 
  
  Bill Bina
  
  On 10/29/2013 6:49 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:


  Some people are dead set against ‎cored
decks. They get way too out of sorts about this. 
  
  
  C&c's are great boats and a great standard for
  others to measure against
  

  Mike
  


  


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Re: Stus-List To the barricades!

[Curtis]

I have only been a C&C owner for about 2 years but I get so many people
that tell me what a great boat she is, I here things like she is great in a
strong wind, If you ever need the 2nd reef in that boat you better be close
to home, She not so good in light wind but will fly in  12 to 15. I have
people ask me all the time if I want to sell her.I have sailed other thin
boats.It feels like a BMW and when its in the slot" She almost steers her
self.
Just saying


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Bill Bina  wrote:

>  I have always found that people easily understand when I tell them that
> if sailboats were cars, a Catalina is a Chevy and C&C is a BMW.  I think
> it's a pretty fair analogy.
>
> Bill Bina
>
>
> On 10/29/2013 6:49 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:
>
> Some people are dead set against cored decks. They get way too out of
> sorts about this.
>
>  C&c's are great boats and a great standard for others to measure against
>
>  Mike
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system

[Jim Watts]

I have a blabber tank on PShift, but I'm having a hard time finding enough
nitrous oxide to fill it.


On 29 October 2013 13:40, Dennis C.  wrote:

> You're probably seeing them correctly. Use a water level to confirm.
>
> I don't have a problem with bladder tanks. I'd just go with a simple
> replacement in the existing location.
>
> I have a blabber tank on Touché.  It's located outboard of the head
> between the hull and liner.
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:55 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com" 
> wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> Thanks!  Do you think this is preferable to the current location of the
> bladder tank?
>
> There is actually a thru hull I was planning on getting rid of under the
> starboard settee.  It is a transducer of some ancient equipment long
> abandoned.  I guess, as a pro, I could run a hose from the tank to that
> thru hull for possible dumping.
>
> That way, I could have a wye valve for direct discharge or tank flushing
> and then not need a wye valve for pumping/dumping.  2- connections on the
> tank.  I may even be able to pull off a gravity drain as the tank will be a
> little higher than the through-hull.  I would have to have the outlet at
> the bottom of the tank for that, and that does worry me some.  I could
> always mount a manual pump I guess...
>
> The only biggest con I see is that the toilet will actually be pumping
> uphill to the tank and will require more fresh water to clear the hose all
> the way to the tank, filling the tank faster.
>
> am I seeing things correctly?
>
> Danny
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:24:25 -0500
>
> Danny,
>
> I just got on Touché and looked at the platform. Yup, it's part of the
> interior pan.
>
> Plan B - cut out the platform above the center storage. Use a jigsaw or a
> multimax vibrating saw. Drop in the tank. Put the cutout back by letting it
> rest on new wooden cleats under the cut. Just like the access panel except
> screwed down.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 12:47 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com" 
> wrote:
>
> No, it is one large piece tabbed to the hull.  It has just the one hatch
> for access.
>
> my boat has a "V-birth!"  it gives life to it's (its) inhabitants each
> morning!
>
> Imagine what it could give birth to if I really do get the holding tank
> there...
>
> Danny
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:26:59 -0500
>
>
> Danny,
>
> Is the platform under the v-berth cushions screwed down?  If so, take it
> up, install the tank and replace it.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com" 
> wrote:
>
> Well,
>
> I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up for the cover.  I
> looked around a bit more and realized just how little room there is up in
> the V-birth.
>
> It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to be doing some
> cutting.  There is a drawer and cubby on each side where the removable
> piece comes out.  I don't really want to lose those and if I did take the
> one right up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that I would
> not only have to cut the bed platform for access, I'd have to hack out the
> bulkhead below the platform to get anywhere near and adequate sized tank.
>
> So, that leaves the center storage area below the V-birth.  This would
> entail having to open the platform in order drop a tank in there.  The
> access hatch is way too small to get a tank through.  This also creates a
> longer hose run from the toilet and back to the through hull.
>
> I could put the tank back where the bladder is now.  Which is under the
> "L" shaped settee just aft of the head.  This is probably the most
> convenient location.  Which is why the bladder is there now.
>
> I'm not really sure how Big a tank I can get in there but I think that is
> where I'll end up putting it.  I can't really see any reason not to put it
> there really.  Short hose runs,  close to the existing pump out.  I was
> kind of hoping to add some more water storage there.
>
> Any ideas or insight, as always, will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Danny
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Paul Fountain 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:09:49 -0400
>
>
>
> Marek,
>
>
>
> Check with Paynes in Burlington, they carry the hoses – but are strictly a
> wholesaler – they will have a local retailer who can order for you – in the
> Burlington/Oakville area I use Dockside Marine – I am sure James would ship
> to you if you wantd.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Marek Dziedzic
> *Sent:* October-24-13 11:33 AM

Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system

[Graham Collins]

I thought you kept your blabber tank filled with helium - on the leeward 
side of course, to offset heel.  And when you are blabbing on the VHF it 
gives your voice that special tone that the coastguard loves!


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2013-10-29 10:46 PM, Jim Watts wrote:
I have a blabber tank on PShift, but I'm having a hard time finding 
enough nitrous oxide to fill it.



On 29 October 2013 13:40, Dennis C. > wrote:


You're probably seeing them correctly. Use a water level to confirm.

I don't have a problem with bladder tanks. I'd just go with a
simple replacement in the existing location.

I have a blabber tank on Touché.  It's located outboard of the
head between the hull and liner.

Dennis C.



Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:55 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com
" mailto:djhaug...@juno.com>> wrote:


Dennis,
Thanks!  Do you think this is preferable to the current location
of the bladder tank?
There is actually a thru hull I was planning on getting rid of
under the starboard settee.  It is a transducer of some ancient
equipment long abandoned.  I guess, as a pro, I could run a hose
from the tank to that thru hull for possible dumping.
That way, I could have a wye valve for direct discharge or tank
flushing and then not need a wye valve for pumping/dumping.  2-
connections on the tank.  I may even be able to pull off a
gravity drain as the tank will be a little higher than the
through-hull.  I would have to have the outlet at the bottom of
the tank for that, and that does worry me some.  I could always
mount a manual pump I guess...
The only biggest con I see is that the toilet will actually be
pumping uphill to the tank and will require more fresh water to
clear the hose all the way to the tank, filling the tank faster.
am I seeing things correctly?
Danny


-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@yahoo.com>>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com "
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:24:25 -0500

Danny,
I just got on Touché and looked at the platform. Yup, it's part
of the interior pan.
Plan B - cut out the platform above the center storage. Use a
jigsaw or a multimax vibrating saw. Drop in the tank. Put the
cutout back by letting it rest on new wooden cleats under the
cut. Just like the access panel except screwed down.
Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2013, at 12:47 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com
" mailto:djhaug...@juno.com>> wrote:

No, it is one large piece tabbed to the hull.  It has just
the one hatch for access.
my boat has a "V-birth!"  it gives life to it's (its)
inhabitants each morning!
Imagine what it could give birth to if I really do get the
holding tank there...
Danny


-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@yahoo.com>>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com "
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:26:59 -0500

Danny,
Is the platform under the v-berth cushions screwed down?  If
so, take it up, install the tank and replace it.
Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com
" mailto:djhaug...@juno.com>> wrote:

Well,
I went down to the boat on Saturday to get the frame up
for the cover.  I looked around a bit more and realized
just how little room there is up in the V-birth.
It seems, in order to get a tank up there, I'm going to
be doing some cutting.  There is a drawer and cubby on
each side where the removable piece comes out.  I don't
really want to lose those and if I did take the one right
up against the bulkhead to the head, it is so small that
I would not only have to cut the bed platform for access,
I'd have to hack out the bulkhead below the platform to
get anywhere near and adequate sized tank.
So, that leaves the center storage area below the
V-birth.  This would entail having to open the platform
in order drop a tank in there.  The access hatch is way
too small to get a tank through.  This also creates a
longer hose run from the toilet and back to the through hull.
I could put the tank back where the bladder is now.
 Which is under the "L" shaped settee just aft of the
head.  This is probabl

Stus-List Skirtlifters

[Ted Drossos]

Has anybody heard of a piece of gear called "Skirtlifters" They are some sort 
of device that is used to bring the foot of the genoa to the inboard side of 
the lifeline when tacking. Apparently you do not need to have someone on the 
foredeck to lift the genoa foot over the lifeline in the event of a sloppy tack 
going upwind. From what I know, they were designed by a fellow named Mark 
Halman who raced a Hobie 33. I came across an old post (2008) on Sailing 
Anarchy that mentioned this device but have not had luck finding additional 
information. They are not rollers that attach to lifelines. I'm curious to find 
out what these "Skirtlifters" look like. Any thoughts? 


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Re: Stus-List Skirtlifters

[Ronald B. Frerker]

Well that wasn't what I expected when I saw the subject line!
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30
STL




On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:26 PM, Ted Drossos  wrote:
 
Has anybody heard of a piece of gear called "Skirtlifters" They are some sort 
of device that is used to bring the foot of the genoa to the inboard side of 
the lifeline when tacking. Apparently you do not need to have someone on the 
foredeck to lift the genoa foot over the lifeline in the event of a sloppy tack 
going upwind. From what I know, they were designed by a fellow named Mark 
Halman who raced a Hobie 33. I came across an old post (2008) on Sailing 
Anarchy that mentioned this device but have not had luck finding additional 
information. They are not rollers that attach to lifelines. I'm curious to find 
out what these "Skirtlifters" look like. Any thoughts?  

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Re: Stus-List New Boat

[Dr. Mark Bodnar]

  
  

  Ok. Thanks for all the advice.
  
  With my initial offer I had asked for a $2000 holdback to make
  sure the engine was running in the spring --- but with the final
  counter from the seller they are saying "no holdback and no
  adjustments to purchase price" -- I get the impression they a
  rather upset I pushed them so low.  I figure they could have
  simply refused, and waited another year
  That said - they are treating this like an "as is, where is" sale
  now - and don't seem interested in any further negotiations about
  holdbacks etc.
  
  I talked to the mechanic that has worked on the engine the last
  5-7 yrs today.  I'm hoping to have him out to the boat on Sunday
  to start it up, run it a bit and then re-winterize it - give me as
  much of an "all clear" as he can.
  He said he has had only minor issues with this motor over the
  years - a small leak that has been fixed with new o-rings, a new
  starter.  That said he is not a big fan of Volvo diesels - feels
  the parts are too expensive and the motor is not as solid as a
  Yanmar - but that this particular boat has not had any sig
  problems.
  
  My insurance has accepted the existing survey on the boat.  But I
  think I'll take the recommendations and go ahead with a full
  survey myself - at least that will give me the start of a "to do"
  list for the boat.
  
  As for the "cracks" noted on the keel - I saw them when I looked
  at the boat.  Tiny cracks along the keel/hull joint -- small
  enough I bet they'd fill with a coat or 2 of bottom paint.  Looks
  like a little bit of filler or caulk fell out.
  
  Mark
  -
  Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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  - George Santayana
  On 28/10/2013 3:45 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:


  
  
  
  I now have an accepted offer on 
  http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada#.Um6d-fmsiM4
  
  
  I think I got them as low as they would go.  They started at
  $32000 Cdn - in the end we agreed to $22500.  I have to pay for
  the winter storage and the broker took $1000 decrease in fees to
  get the boat sold.  The seller is adamant that they will not lower
  the purchase price irrespective of new survey results. 
  
  I think it's a good deal.  I could get a similar boat for a little
  less in Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats
  up much of the savings.  I took Mike's advice and tried to
  negotiate the local boat rather than trying to buy something
  1200km away. 
  
  This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard
  for the last 2 years.  Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but
  it does have some issues that will need to be addressed.  Simple
  stuff like oiling the teak and cleaning.  Re-covering cushions.  A
  little bit of repair work on some wood. Few bigger issues - the
  cradle needs repair (metal so I'll likely need to get a welder at
  it), the main side windows have vertical cracks so all the plexi
  will need to be replaced. 
  Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the
  hard). 
  
  Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to
  find a boat that could do everything for me but not spend any
  money.  We didn't get out for a beer yet, but I did take his
  advice and move my purchase price up so I could get a better
  condition boat rather than searching for the super bargain.  I
  think size wise this boat gives me enough room to enjoy with the
  family, but still small enough to keep the work load and costs
  manageable. 
  
  Recent survey is attached.  My question - would you re-survey the
  boat?  The survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for
  insurance purposes? Boat has not been in the water since the
  survey. 
  
  I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker.
  Tapped at the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my
  cdn tire moisture meter - sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the
  moisture meter picked up a couple areas that were slightly higher
  than others (25% vs 16-18% I  think). 
  Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations.  Engine had
  a bit of surface rust. 
  Few interior stains on woodwork - but all looked/felt solid. 
  
  I'm planning on heading back down myself to dig through the sails
  in the storage locker and the other gear before we finalize - but
  I'm not sure if I should do a new survey. 
  
  BTW - thanks for all the help getting to this point.  I've l