The link to the survey did not work just now when I tried it. 

For what it is worth, my wife Heidi and I took a long look at Clinton Harbor 
Sunday.  It is a beautiful setting with great long sandy beaches, but it might 
be a bit shallow except at 1/2 tide.  It looks like a good portion of the 
approach has a 5 ft depth.  We really like the harbor setting and it has 2 
restaurants on the docks.  We are certainly planning a weekend trip to Clinton 
next summer.

Another suggestion is Essex.  Essex has the Dauntless Marina, two Yacht clubs 
and the CT River Museum with slips.  Essex is one of New England's great towns 
with good dining and drinking at the Griswold or Black Seal and for the 
"admirals" great shopping.  Essex is about an hour of motoring up the 
Connecticut with a railroad bridge that needs to lift to let us up river.  My 
wife and I stop in Essex every summer and the navigation and bridge issues are 
both easy.  There is  lots of water in the river and the whole Essex harbor.  
There is also a very interesting museum, the Connecticut River Museum, with 
exhibits including the "turtle" submarine.

http://www.essexhistory.org/history-of-essex-ct.htm

http://www.ctrivermuseum.org/collections/overview/

http://www.griswoldinn.com/

John Maturo & Heidi Coutu
Ashe, Baltic (C&C 39)




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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  New Boat (dwight)
   2.  C&C 33 Mk II (John McKay)
   3. Re:  C&C 33 Mk II (Derek Leck)
   4. Re:  C&C 33 Mk II (Paul Fountain)
   5. Re:  New Boat (Rich Knowles)
   6. Re:  New Boat (Stevan Plavsa)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:43:30 -0300
From: "dwight" <dwight...@gmail.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat
Message-ID: <56B5082E02A64B91B51DCEA9C621418E@your4dacd0ea75>
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I am not sure that you will be able to get insurance with that survey, get it 
surveyed for you specifically by someone your insurance company recognizes if 
you can, there are lots of us who get our boats surveyed every
5 years for insurance purposes in this area 

 

  _____  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark 
Bodnar
Sent: October 28, 2013 3:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List New Boat

 



I now have an accepted offer on
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada#.Um6
d-fmsiM4 

I think I got them as low as they would go.  They started at $32000 Cdn - in 
the end we agreed to $22500.  I have to pay for the winter storage and the 
broker took $1000 decrease in fees to get the boat sold.  The seller is adamant 
that they will not lower the purchase price irrespective of new survey results. 

I think it's a good deal.  I could get a similar boat for a little less in 
Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats up much of the 
savings.  I took Mike's advice and tried to negotiate the local boat rather 
than trying to buy something 1200km away. 

This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard for the last
2 years.  Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but it does have some issues 
that will need to be addressed.  Simple stuff like oiling the teak and 
cleaning.  Re-covering cushions.  A little bit of repair work on some wood. Few 
bigger issues - the cradle needs repair (metal so I'll likely need to get a 
welder at it), the main side windows have vertical cracks so all the plexi will 
need to be replaced. 
Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the hard). 

Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to find a boat that 
could do everything for me but not spend any money.  We didn't get out for a 
beer yet, but I did take his advice and move my purchase price up so I could 
get a better condition boat rather than searching for the super bargain.  I 
think size wise this boat gives me enough room to enjoy with the family, but 
still small enough to keep the work load and costs manageable. 

Recent survey is attached.  My question - would you re-survey the boat?  The 
survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for insurance purposes?
Boat has not been in the water since the survey. 

I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker. Tapped at the 
deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my cdn tire moisture meter
- sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the moisture meter picked up a couple areas 
that were slightly higher than others (25% vs 16-18% I  think). 
Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations.  Engine had a bit of 
surface rust. 
Few interior stains on woodwork - but all looked/felt solid. 

I'm planning on heading back down myself to dig through the sails in the 
storage locker and the other gear before we finalize - but I'm not sure if I 
should do a new survey. 

BTW - thanks for all the help getting to this point.  I've learned a lot from 
watching the discussions going back and forth and I've saved multiple email 
threads in preparation for things like re-plumbing my head etc. 
Even if I end up with the CS, I will likely continue to lurk on this list - too 
much good info to pass it up. 

Mark 


-----------------

CONDITIONAL SURVEY

VESSEL: "SEA FEVER"

March 2012

At the request of the Owner I carried out a Conditional Survey on the C.S.
30 Fibreglass Sloop "Sea Fever".

The vessel is in winter storage at Gold River Marina and the steering wheel, 
the electronics, batteries and life saving equipment have been removed from the 
vessel and retained by the Owner. 

 

Underwater Hull - Generally in good condition with the following defects:

Starboard Side

The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not 
into the hull and is not considered significant. It has had a recent repair but 
should be reworked. 

The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and 
the filling has worked loose. 

Port Side

The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not 
into the hull and is not considered significant. 

The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and 
the filling has worked loose. 

There are a few places where the glass covering on the keel have worn through 
and the lead keel is exposed. 

There are 2 small knicks in the fibreglass on the transom. 

Antifouling

Antifouling should be re-coated. 

Rudder

Good condition but some fibreglass cracking around the pintle bearing. 

 

2

Propellor & Shaft 

Good condition overall. 

 

Topsides

The topsides are in good condition. No evidence of cracks or stress. No dock 
damage, but should be polished. 

Deck Area

The deck is in good condition with no gel coat cracking. Stanchions are in good 
condition.

The forward hatch glass cover is water stained. 

There are 2 Lewmar 30 winches and 2 Lewmar 43 winches, all in good working 
condition. 

Interior

The interior is in good condition but shows evidence of water leaks, the 
brightwork requires refinishing, the settee cushions are in good condition. 

The bilges are clean with no obvious oil leaks. There is a 2-1/2lb dry chemical 
extinguisher adjacent to the engine box, which appears to be in good condition, 
but has no expiry date. It is fully charged at this time.
There is a second 2-1/2lb chemical extinguisher adjacent to the galley stove. 
This is not mounted on a bulkhead and in places the paint on the body of this 
unit is peeling. It shows fully charged but I would recommend replacement.

The galley stove is a 2 burner propane unit with an oven, it appears to be in 
reasonable condition. The propane cylinder is stored in a locker in the stern 
of the vessel. 

The head is located at the forward end on the starboard side, this is in a 
clean and good working condition. 

The batteries have an approved type shut off switch. They were in storage and 
not on board at the time of inspection. 

3

Engine

The engine compartment has antifreeze under the engine and there is leak from 
the circulating pump. The engine is a 2 cylinder Volvo Penta with a reduction 
gear. Oil levels were checked and were satisfactory.

The through hulls were hammer tested and appear satisfactory. 

Electrical

The electrical wiring is in good condition. The system has a battery shut off 
switch and a breaker panel. Both are clean and dry and in good condition. 

Equipment

All of the navigation equipment and safety equipment have been removed for the 
winter. 

There is a 6" Galaxy compass in the cockpit, which is in good condition with no 
air bubbles. A Plough anchor with sufficient rode is located in the fore peak - 
good condition. 

Rigging

The standing rigging is all stainless steel and in good condition. The running 
rigging is in reasonable condition. 

 

Recommendations

1. Replace the galley fire extinguisher

2. Have the propane system inspected by a licensed service person

3. Check rockets and flares for expiry dates

4. Repair cracks around rudder pintle

5. Repair cracks around keel to hull joint

 

4

 

Conclusion 

The overall condition is good and this boat is suitable for the intended 
service. 

Some cleaning is required inside the boat. 

I would anticipate the present day value to be in the range of $39,000

Alan H. Altass

(S.N.A.M.E. - C.I.M.E.)






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B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:43:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: John McKay <jmckay...@yahoo.ca>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List C&C 33 Mk II
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I am starting to look at a 33 Mk II.
?
I am looking for a comfortable boat that races well. From what I can see, this 
is a nicely appointed boat.
?
I would be interested to hear from anyone who races this yacht.
?
The particular boat that is nearby is a centre board configuration. 
Mechanically, how does this operate? How does it affect the boat's ability to 
point? Does it make the boat slower than a fin keel?
?
John on Oxygen
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 07:01:52 -0400
From: Derek Leck <derek.l...@metzgers.com>
To: John McKay <jmckay...@yahoo.ca>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
        <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 33 Mk II
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I have a 1985 33' Mark II fixed keel which I absolutely love. She handles well 
in most conditions whether we are racing or cruising and when "dialed in" can 
virtually sail herself.  8 to 15 knots of wind is the sweet spot where she 
sails best. Definitely not a light air boat but can hang. Downwind in moderate 
to heavy air with following seas she gets a little squirrelly in the helm. I 
believe this is due in part to the flat surface just in front of the keel to 
the bow. ( no idea what that is called ) which allows a bit of surfing.
The only drawback has been the keel sump failure due to a design flaw and heavy 
use. Please make sure you have that carefully examined before considering a 
purchase.  May not be an issue w a centerboard boat but wanted you to be aware.

Other than that a really fun boat and look forward to hearing more about your 
search.







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On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:43 PM, "John McKay" 
<jmckay...@yahoo.ca<mailto:jmckay...@yahoo.ca>> wrote:

I am starting to look at a 33 Mk II.

I am looking for a comfortable boat that races well. From what I can see, this 
is a nicely appointed boat.

I would be interested to hear from anyone who races this yacht.

The particular boat that is nearby is a centre board configuration. 
Mechanically, how does this operate? How does it affect the boat's ability to 
point? Does it make the boat slower than a fin keel?

John on Oxygen
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 07:34:10 -0400
From: Paul Fountain <paul.fount...@sympatico.ca>
To: "'John McKay'" <jmckay...@yahoo.ca>,        <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 33 Mk II
Message-ID: <blu0-smtp8590f6e4bfbe464b2d2cb897...@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

John,

 

Where  are you located? I have a C&C 33-II centerboard version and love her!
I'd love to chat with you as we have done just about everything you can to her 
so know the boat well .... Perception summers at Newport Yacht Club-Stoney 
Creek, and winters at 50 Point - where she is now on the hard L.
If you are nearby I'd be glad to show her to you ..... 

 

On your questions - 

 

The board is on a stainless steel pendant that goes back to a 2-1 and then to a 
self tailing winch. We replaced the pendant this year.

 

It does take a couple of degrees of the pointing in theory, but I found her 
able to point pretty well when we were racing her. Never found her slow - won 
our share when we sailed well. They do hate higher than a full keel version in 
PHRF.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John McKay
Sent: October-28-13 10:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 33 Mk II

 

I am starting to look at a 33 Mk II.

 

I am looking for a comfortable boat that races well. From what I can see, this 
is a nicely appointed boat.

 

I would be interested to hear from anyone who races this yacht.

 

The particular boat that is nearby is a centre board configuration.
Mechanically, how does this operate? How does it affect the boat's ability to 
point? Does it make the boat slower than a fin keel?

 

John on Oxygen

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:20:13 -0300
From: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca>
To: cnc-list Cnc-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat
Message-ID: <9f624167-4e98-4a6f-9d72-562ce9727...@sailpower.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Sounds as though you may have found your boat, Mark. The advice to get a good 
survey is sound. I am a bit concerned about "The fibreglass along the hull to 
keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not into the hull and is not considered 
significant. It has had a recent repair but should be reworked." I'd  be asking 
about the history of the repair and the cause of the cracking. Same for the 
strut. The recent repairs to my boat after I grounded cost $7,000, a major part 
of which went to dropping and reinstalling the keel. The engine advice is also 
good. Get a mechanic to start it up and make sure it's all good.

Rich Knowles
INDIGO LF38
Halifax, NS.





On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote:



I now have an accepted offer on
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canada#.Um6d-fmsiM4
 

I think I got them as low as they would go.  They started at $32000 Cdn - in 
the end we agreed to $22500.  I have to pay for the winter storage and the 
broker took $1000 decrease in fees to get the boat sold.  The seller is adamant 
that they will not lower the purchase price irrespective of new survey results. 

I think it's a good deal.  I could get a similar boat for a little less in 
Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats up much of the 
savings.  I took Mike's advice and tried to negotiate the local boat rather 
than trying to buy something 1200km away. 

This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard for the last 2 
years.  Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but it does have some issues 
that will need to be addressed.  Simple stuff like oiling the teak and 
cleaning.  Re-covering cushions.  A little bit of repair work on some wood. Few 
bigger issues - the cradle needs repair (metal so I'll likely need to get a 
welder at it), the main side windows have vertical cracks so all the plexi will 
need to be replaced. 
Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the hard). 

Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to find a boat that 
could do everything for me but not spend any money.  We didn't get out for a 
beer yet, but I did take his advice and move my purchase price up so I could 
get a better condition boat rather than searching for the super bargain.  I 
think size wise this boat gives me enough room to enjoy with the family, but 
still small enough to keep the work load and costs manageable. 

Recent survey is attached.  My question - would you re-survey the boat?  The 
survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for insurance purposes? Boat 
has not been in the water since the survey. 

I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker. Tapped at the 
deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my cdn tire moisture meter - 
sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the moisture meter picked up a couple areas 
that were slightly higher than others (25% vs 16-18% I  think). 
Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations.  Engine had a bit of 
surface rust. 
Few interior stains on woodwork - but all looked/felt solid. 

I'm planning on heading back down myself to dig through the sails in the 
storage locker and the other gear before we finalize - but I'm not sure if I 
should do a new survey. 

BTW - thanks for all the help getting to this point.  I've learned a lot from 
watching the discussions going back and forth and I've saved multiple email 
threads in preparation for things like re-plumbing my head etc. 
Even if I end up with the CS, I will likely continue to lurk on this list - too 
much good info to pass it up. 

Mark 


-----------------
CONDITIONAL SURVEY

VESSEL: ?SEA FEVER?

March 2012

At the request of the Owner I carried out a Conditional Survey on the C.S. 30 
Fibreglass Sloop ?Sea Fever?.
The vessel is in winter storage at Gold River Marina and the steering wheel, 
the electronics, batteries and life saving equipment have been removed from the 
vessel and retained by the Owner.

Underwater Hull ? Generally in good condition with the following defects:
Starboard Side
The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not 
into the hull and is not considered significant. It has had a recent repair but 
should be reworked.
The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and 
the filling has worked loose.
Port Side
The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not 
into the hull and is not considered significant.
The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull connection and 
the filling has worked loose.
There are a few places where the glass covering on the keel have worn through 
and the lead keel is exposed.
There are 2 small knicks in the fibreglass on the transom.
Antifouling
Antifouling should be re-coated.
Rudder
Good condition but some fibreglass cracking around the pintle bearing.

2
Propellor & Shaft
Good condition overall.

Topsides
The topsides are in good condition. No evidence of cracks or stress. No dock 
damage, but should be polished.
Deck Area
The deck is in good condition with no gel coat cracking. Stanchions are in good 
condition.
The forward hatch glass cover is water stained.
There are 2 Lewmar 30 winches and 2 Lewmar 43 winches, all in good working 
condition.
Interior
The interior is in good condition but shows evidence of water leaks, the 
brightwork requires refinishing, the settee cushions are in good condition.
The bilges are clean with no obvious oil leaks. There is a 2-1/2lb dry chemical 
extinguisher adjacent to the engine box, which appears to be in good condition, 
but has no expiry date. It is fully charged at this time. There is a second 
2-1/2lb chemical extinguisher adjacent to the galley stove. This is not mounted 
on a bulkhead and in places the paint on the body of this unit is peeling. It 
shows fully charged but I would recommend replacement.
The galley stove is a 2 burner propane unit with an oven, it appears to be in 
reasonable condition. The propane cylinder is stored in a locker in the stern 
of the vessel.
The head is located at the forward end on the starboard side, this is in a 
clean and good working condition.
The batteries have an approved type shut off switch. They were in storage and 
not on board at the time of inspection.

3
Engine
The engine compartment has antifreeze under the engine and there is leak from 
the circulating pump. The engine is a 2 cylinder Volvo Penta with a reduction 
gear. Oil levels were checked and were satisfactory.
The through hulls were hammer tested and appear satisfactory.
Electrical
The electrical wiring is in good condition. The system has a battery shut off 
switch and a breaker panel. Both are clean and dry and in good condition.

Equipment
All of the navigation equipment and safety equipment have been removed for the 
winter.
There is a 6" Galaxy compass in the cockpit, which is in good condition with no 
air bubbles. A Plough anchor with sufficient rode is located in the fore peak - 
good condition.
Rigging
The standing rigging is all stainless steel and in good condition. The running 
rigging is in reasonable condition.

Recommendations
1. Replace the galley fire extinguisher
2. Have the propane system inspected by a licensed service person 3. Check 
rockets and flares for expiry dates 4. Repair cracks around rudder pintle 5. 
Repair cracks around keel to hull joint

4

Conclusion
The overall condition is good and this boat is suitable for the intended 
service.
Some cleaning is required inside the boat.
I would anticipate the present day value to be in the range of $39,000

Alan H. Altass
(S.N.A.M.E. - C.I.M.E.)


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B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:46:28 -0400
From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Boat
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Get a good survey. I can send you Suhana's survey, it's a lot more thorough and 
will give you an idea of what you're missing in that one.

I purchased Suhana this time of year and she was already laid up for the 
winter. The deal was made conditional, there was 2k set aside in escrow in case 
the motor needed any work in the spring, to be determined at time of test sail. 
I did hire a marine mechanic to come and look over the motor and run it right 
around the same time I got the survey done. Hearing an engine run and idle 
isn't the same as driving a boat through water. The offer was conditional on 
survey as well of course.

Good luck. I've always liked those CS30s, good boats.
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> wrote:

> Sounds as though you may have found your boat, Mark. The advice to get 
> a good survey is sound. I am a bit concerned about "The fibreglass 
> along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking is not into the 
> hull and is not considered significant. It has had a recent repair but 
> should be reworked." I'd  be asking about the history of the repair 
> and the cause of the cracking. Same for the strut. The recent repairs 
> to my boat after I grounded cost $7,000, a major part of which went to 
> dropping and reinstalling the keel. The engine advice is also good. 
> Get a mechanic to start it up and make sure it's all good.
>
> Rich Knowles
> INDIGO LF38
> Halifax, NS.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar <drbod...@accesswave.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I now have an accepted offer on
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Cs-30-2254686/Chester-Basin/Canad
> a#.Um6d-fmsiM4
>
>
> I think I got them as low as they would go.  They started at $32000 
> Cdn - in the end we agreed to $22500.  I have to pay for the winter 
> storage and the broker took $1000 decrease in fees to get the boat 
> sold.  The seller is adamant that they will not lower the purchase 
> price irrespective of new survey results.
>
> I think it's a good deal.  I could get a similar boat for a little 
> less in Boston, but shipping it back adds to the hassle and eats up 
> much of the savings.  I took Mike's advice and tried to negotiate the 
> local boat rather than trying to buy something 1200km away.
>
> This boat looks great in the photos - but it's been on the hard for 
> the last 2 years.  Well stored, dry, under a custom cover, but it does 
> have some issues that will need to be addressed.  Simple stuff like 
> oiling the teak and cleaning.  Re-covering cushions.  A little bit of 
> repair work on some wood. Few bigger issues - the cradle needs repair 
> (metal so I'll likely need to get a welder at it), the main side 
> windows have vertical cracks so all the plexi will need to be replaced.
> Engine has been serviced regularly (and re-winterized while on the hard).
>
> Rich had commented that I might be chasing rainbows, trying to find a 
> boat that could do everything for me but not spend any money.  We 
> didn't get out for a beer yet, but I did take his advice and move my 
> purchase price up so I could get a better condition boat rather than 
> searching for the super bargain.  I think size wise this boat gives me 
> enough room to enjoy with the family, but still small enough to keep 
> the work load and costs manageable.
>
> Recent survey is attached.  My question - would you re-survey the boat?
> The survey seems rather superficial - maybe just done for insurance 
> purposes? Boat has not been in the water since the survey.
>
> I spent about 75min crawling around the boat with the broker. Tapped 
> at the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, plus used my cdn tire 
> moisture meter - sounded ok to me (no dead spots), the moisture meter 
> picked up a couple areas that were slightly higher than others (25% vs 16-18% 
> I  think).
>
> Hull and deck looked good - even with no deformations.  Engine had a 
> bit of surface rust.
> Few interior stains on woodwork - but all looked/felt solid.
>
> I'm planning on heading back down myself to dig through the sails in 
> the storage locker and the other gear before we finalize - but I'm not 
> sure if I should do a new survey.
>
> BTW - thanks for all the help getting to this point.  I've learned a 
> lot from watching the discussions going back and forth and I've saved 
> multiple email threads in preparation for things like re-plumbing my head etc.
> Even if I end up with the CS, I will likely continue to lurk on this 
> list
> - too much good info to pass it up.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----------------
>
> *CONDITIONAL SURVEY*
>
> *VESSEL: ?SEA FEVER?*
>
> *March 2012*
>
> At the request of the Owner I carried out a Conditional Survey on the C.S.
> 30 Fibreglass Sloop ?Sea Fever?.
>
> The vessel is in winter storage at Gold River Marina and the steering 
> wheel, the electronics, batteries and life saving equipment have been 
> removed from the vessel and retained by the Owner.
>
> *Underwater Hull ? *Generally in good condition with the following
> defects:
>
> *Starboard Side*
>
> The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking 
> is not into the hull and is not considered significant. It has had a 
> recent repair but should be reworked.
>
> The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull 
> connection and the filling has worked loose.
>
> *Port Side*
>
> The fibreglass along the hull to keel joint is cracked. The cracking 
> is not into the hull and is not considered significant.
>
> The strut for the propeller shaft has cracking around the hull 
> connection and the filling has worked loose.
>
> There are a few places where the glass covering on the keel have worn 
> through and the lead keel is exposed.
>
> There are 2 small knicks in the fibreglass on the transom.
>
> *Antifouling*
>
> Antifouling should be re-coated.
>
> *Rudder*
>
> **Good condition but some fibreglass cracking around* *the pintle bearing.
>
> 2
> *Propellor & Shaft*
>
> Good condition overall.
>
> *Topsides*
>
> The topsides are in good condition. No evidence of cracks or stress. 
> No dock damage, but should be polished.
>
> *Deck Area*
>
> The deck is in good condition with no gel coat cracking. Stanchions 
> are in good condition.
>
> The forward hatch glass cover is water stained.
>
> There are 2 Lewmar 30 winches and 2 Lewmar 43 winches, all in good 
> working condition.
>
> *Interior*
>
> The interior is in good condition but shows evidence of water leaks, 
> the brightwork requires refinishing, the settee cushions are in good 
> condition.
>
> The bilges are clean with no obvious oil leaks. There is a 2-1/2lb dry 
> chemical extinguisher adjacent to the engine box, which appears to be 
> in good condition, but has no expiry date. It is fully charged at this time.
> There is a second 2-1/2lb chemical extinguisher adjacent to the galley 
> stove. This is not mounted on a bulkhead and in places the paint on 
> the body of this unit is peeling. It shows fully charged but I would 
> recommend replacement.
>
> The galley stove is a 2 burner propane unit with an oven, it appears 
> to be in reasonable condition. The propane cylinder is stored in a 
> locker in the stern of the vessel.
>
> The head is located at the forward end on the starboard side, this is 
> in a clean and good working condition.
>
> The batteries have an approved type shut off switch. They were in 
> storage and not on board at the time of inspection.
>
> 3
>
> *Engine*
>
> The engine compartment has antifreeze under the engine and there is 
> leak from the circulating pump. The engine is a 2 cylinder Volvo Penta 
> with a reduction gear. Oil levels were checked and were satisfactory.
>
> The through hulls were hammer tested and appear satisfactory.
>
> *Electrical*
>
> The electrical wiring is in good condition. The system has a battery 
> shut off switch and a breaker panel. Both are clean and dry and in 
> good
> condition.**
>
> *Equipment*
>
> All of the navigation equipment and safety equipment have been removed 
> for the winter.
>
> There is a 6" Galaxy compass in the cockpit, which is in good 
> condition with no air bubbles. A Plough anchor with sufficient rode is 
> located in the fore peak - good condition.
>
> *Rigging*
>
> The standing rigging is all stainless steel and in good condition. The 
> running rigging is in reasonable condition.
>
> *Recommendations*
>
> 1. Replace the galley fire extinguisher
>
> 2. Have the propane system inspected by a licensed service person
>
> 3. Check rockets and flares for expiry dates
>
> 4. Repair cracks around rudder pintle
>
> 5. Repair cracks around keel to hull joint
>
> 4
>
>
> *Conclusion*
>
> The overall condition is good and this boat is suitable for the 
> intended service.
>
> Some cleaning is required inside the boat.
>
> I would anticipate the present day value to be in the range of $39,000
>
> Alan H. Altass
>
> (S.N.A.M.E. - C.I.M.E.)
>
>
> --
>
> ---------------------
>   Dr. Mark Bodnar
> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
> Bedford Chiropracticwww.bedfordchiro.ca
> ---------------------
>
> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>   - George Santayana
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