Re: Stus-List limber holes pt 2

[dwight veinot]

Rick

 

As a matter of interest, is it totally unacceptable to use the term
"athwartship stringers" instead of "floors" to describe the situations being
discussed lately about limber holes in bilge components of our C&C
sailboats?

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Brass
Sent: February 10, 2013 9:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes pt 2

 

In an effort to clarify some of the terminology in this discussion and avoid
confusion, with satisfaction that I still remember some of the stuff I had
to learn for the deck general part of the coast guard license exam, and at
real risk that I will be considered a PITA :

 

"floors" are structural members that run athwart ship above the bilge, and
which support the decks. The "floors" in my boat are as you describe, Chuck,
glass coated beams that are bonded to the hull and support the cabin sole
(and the mast step in the 38).

 

"Stringers" are oriented fore and aft, are attached to the inside of the
hull, and are intended to stiffen the hull. On my 38, the stringers appear
to be half-round glass channels bonded to the hull and run from about the
bulkhead at the front of the main cabin to the engine mount stringers. They
do not contact the bottom of the cabin sole, I've routed a couple of wires
and hoses over the stringers in order to get them into the bilge to run fore
and aft. 

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes pt 2

 

The stringers or "floors" on our 1990 boat are plywood beams made up using
several layers of 3/4" or 1" marine grade plywood and shaped to sit on the
inside of the hull, the tops rounded and the bottoms filletted and then
wrapped with several layers of fiberglass.  The fiberglass is almost 1/4"
thick over the top and a very strong structural shape.  The veterans at the
boatyard say the wood inside is mostly just a form, but I think it adds
strength too.  I don't think C&C used hollow stringers ever, but I could be
wrong?



 

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Re: Stus-List Old style aluminum frame portlight gasket

[jtsails]

Russ,
On my 38, there are two 24x6 portlights on each side of the cabin. The cabin 
side at the aft one has very little curve and is easily within the allowance of 
the Lewmars'. The forward  one had approximately 2-3mm (about 1/8")  of curve 
as you described. Even with that much curve, I think that using butyl tape to 
seal them would allow enough "fudge-factor" for them to work with no problems. 
I'm going to go ahead and order the Lewmar's but it will be 6 or 7 weeks before 
I can get back down to the boat to install them.
James
Delaney
C&C 38 mkII
Oriental, NC
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  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Old style aluminum frame portlight gasket


  Russ,
  They are not designed to handle much curve, but I am not anticipating any 
problem there. I'll bed them with butyl and that will give a little room for 
error. I heading down to the boat tomorrow and verify with a straight edge.
  James
  Delaney
  C&C38 MKii
  Oriental, NC
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From: Russ & Melody 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Old style aluminum frame portlight gasket


Hi James,

How will the Lewmar porthole handle the curve on the cabinside?

My neighbour is doing something similar on his Newport 41 and there looks 
to be a 1/4" gap fore & aft with the middle in contact with the cabinside. 

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 09:24 AM 09/02/2013, you wrote:

  Rick, 
  The cutouts in my cabin house are currently 24"x6". I'm planning to use 
the Lewmar standard portlight size 4. It requires a cutout of 24 11/16" x 6 
3/4" so I'll have to do a little trimming on the cabin house to fit them. The 
corner radius is looks to be very similar, so I don't anticipate any problems. 
Defender sells them for $325 each. I wouldn't think that your boat would have 
different ports, but I guess it is possible.
  James
  Delaney
  C&C 38 MKII
  Oriental, NC
   
   
   
  - Original Message - 

From: Rick Brass 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:44 AM

Subject: Re: Stus-List Old style aluminum frame portlight gasket


Opening ports are on the wish list for my 38, but I plan to replace the 
two forward portlights. I've not found any that are 27 x 7 to fit the openings. 
What are you using, and how much will the ports cost?




  
Rick Brass


Washington, NC




  
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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:21 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Subject: Re: Stus-List Old style aluminum frame portlight gasket




  
My glass shop didn't want to mess with the spline and gasket, so he 
glued the plexi in with the same polyurethane that they use on car windshields. 
Looks pretty good, very similar to the original grey and he only charged me $20 
per window, plexi included. I'm going to do the forward two window this way and 
replace the aft two windows with opening Lewmar portlights. 


James


Delaney


C&C 38 MKII


Oriental, NC




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Re: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?

[Frederick G Street]

"Fifty Shades of Sailing"?   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 10, 2013, at 6:57 PM, jtsails  wrote:

> I like where this is headed.. think of the possibilities
> James
> Delaney
> C&C 38 MKII
> Oriental, NC
> - Original Message - From: "dwight veinot" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?
> 
> 
>> A harness and tether will let her know that you truly want to keep her

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Re: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?

[Andrew Burton]

Did you ever see the Yachting parody? In it they had an ad for the "S&M 40"
Featuring barbed wire lifelines and rubber and leather lined bunks...with
restraints.
Pretty clever.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Frederick G Street wrote:

> *"Fifty Shades of Sailing"*?   :^)
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 6:57 PM, jtsails  wrote:
>
> I like where this is headed.. think of the possibilities
> James
> Delaney
> C&C 38 MKII
> Oriental, NC
> - Original Message - From: "dwight veinot" <
> dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?
>
>
> A harness and tether will let her know that you truly want to keep her
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?

[Edd Schillay]

We should all be pretty good with knots . . . . .


All the best,

Edd


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C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
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On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Frederick G Street  wrote:

> "Fifty Shades of Sailing"?   :^)
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 6:57 PM, jtsails  wrote:
> 
>> I like where this is headed.. think of the possibilities
>> James
>> Delaney
>> C&C 38 MKII
>> Oriental, NC
>> - Original Message - From: "dwight veinot" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?
>> 
>> 
>>> A harness and tether will let her know that you truly want to keep her
> 
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Re: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?

[Joel Aronson]

I don't want to know what the bowsprit looked like!

Joel


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Andrew Burton
wrote:

> Did you ever see the Yachting parody? In it they had an ad for the "S&M
> 40" Featuring barbed wire lifelines and rubber and leather lined
> bunks...with restraints.
> Pretty clever.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Frederick G Street 
> wrote:
>
>> *"Fifty Shades of Sailing"*?   :^)
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2013, at 6:57 PM, jtsails  wrote:
>>
>> I like where this is headed.. think of the possibilities
>> James
>> Delaney
>> C&C 38 MKII
>> Oriental, NC
>> - Original Message - From: "dwight veinot" <
>> dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?
>>
>>
>> A harness and tether will let her know that you truly want to keep her
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

[Rick Brass]

My comment was mainly to avoid confusion. Joel was talking about putting
limber holes in the stringers that keep water from draining into the bilge
from the side of the boat, and those aren't even in the bilge proper. Chuck
was describing limber holes in the floors that support the mast step keep
water from draining into the bilge from the bow. Different structures,
different materials, and not necessarily the same solutions.

 

Stringers and frames are designed to strengthen the hull. (Our boats don't
have frames, the bulkheads tabbed to the hull serve that purpose.)  Floors
support the cabin sole. If you are clear about what you are describing ( for
example " the  cross members under the mast step") it probably doesn't
matter what you call them. But using the proper description can help us all
stay on the same page.

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
veinot
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:30 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes pt 2

 

Rick

 

As a matter of interest, is it totally unacceptable to use the term
"athwartship stringers" instead of "floors" to describe the situations being
discussed lately about limber holes in bilge components of our C&C
sailboats?

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

 

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Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

[dwight veinot]

Well, since I have been using the term "athwartship stringers" I was just
wondering if technically that would be considered an "oxymoron."  I just
want to be on the same page as everyone else and yours was the first mention
of "floors" that I recall and an internet search enlightened me somewhat on
the topic.  I thought I understood what Joel and Chuck were talking about
but now I think maybe I did not.

 

This effort to avoid confusion has apparently confused me.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Brass
Sent: February 11, 2013 12:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

 

My comment was mainly to avoid confusion. Joel was talking about putting
limber holes in the stringers that keep water from draining into the bilge
from the side of the boat, and those aren't even in the bilge proper. Chuck
was describing limber holes in the floors that support the mast step keep
water from draining into the bilge from the bow. Different structures,
different materials, and not necessarily the same solutions.

 

Stringers and frames are designed to strengthen the hull. (Our boats don't
have frames, the bulkheads tabbed to the hull serve that purpose.)  Floors
support the cabin sole. If you are clear about what you are describing ( for
example " the  cross members under the mast step") it probably doesn't
matter what you call them. But using the proper description can help us all
stay on the same page.

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
veinot
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:30 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes pt 2

 

Rick

 

As a matter of interest, is it totally unacceptable to use the term
"athwartship stringers" instead of "floors" to describe the situations being
discussed lately about limber holes in bilge components of our C&C
sailboats?

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

 

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Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

[Joel Aronson]

Let me see if I get it right:
There are "floors" (which I was calling stringers) on the port and
starboard side of my mast step.  They are hollow glass like an upside down
U.  The ones on the starboard side have limber holes near the step without
any tubing.  The floors to port do not have limber holes.  Water
accumulates on the port side between the floors.  The head and dinette are
to port near one of the floors, and the bottom of the finished panel that
is attached to the bulkhead has delaminated from 30 years of moisture.  I'm
going to drill limber holes in the port floors.  I may epoxy in tubes.  I'm
not sure what I can do about the wood panel unless I remove the fiberglass
dinette (not likely).

Hope that's clear!
Joel 35/3
Annapolis


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM, dwight veinot <
dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

> **
>
> Well, since I have been using the term “athwartship stringers” I was just
> wondering if technically that would be considered an “oxymoron.”  I just
> want to be on the same page as everyone else and yours was the first
> mention of “floors” that I recall and an internet search enlightened me
> somewhat on the topic.  I thought I understood what Joel and Chuck were
> talking about but now I think maybe I did not.
>
> ** **
>
> This effort to avoid confusion has apparently confused me.
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick
> Brass
> *Sent:* February 11, 2013 12:01 PM
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> My comment was mainly to avoid confusion. Joel was talking about putting
> limber holes in the stringers that keep water from draining into the bilge
> from the side of the boat, and those aren’t even in the bilge proper. Chuck
> was describing limber holes in the floors that support the mast step keep
> water from draining into the bilge from the bow. Different structures,
> different materials, and not necessarily the same solutions.
>
> ** **
>
> Stringers and frames are designed to strengthen the hull. (Our boats don’t
> have frames, the bulkheads tabbed to the hull serve that purpose.)  Floors
> support the cabin sole. If you are clear about what you are describing (
> for example “ the  cross members under the mast step”) it probably doesn’t
> matter what you call them. But using the proper description can help us all
> stay on the same page.
>
> ** **
>
> Rick Brass
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *dwight
> veinot
> *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 7:30 AM
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List limber holes pt 2
>
> ** **
>
> Rick
>
> ** **
>
> As a matter of interest, is it totally unacceptable to use the term
> “athwartship stringers” instead of “floors” to describe the situations
> being discussed lately about limber holes in bilge components of our C&C
> sailboats?
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
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Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

[Frederick G Street]

Maybe a picture would be better than words:

http://www.wavetrain.net/boats-a-gear/275-fiberglass-boatbuilding-internal-hull-structures

To be clear: floors run athwartships, stringers run longitudinally the length 
of the vessel, generally parallel to the keel.

In Joel's case, I wouldn't really call these stringers, although they run 
longitudinally; and they're not floors.  They're the longitudinal support for 
the mast step.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> Let me see if I get it right:
> There are "floors" (which I was calling stringers) on the port and starboard 
> side of my mast step.  They are hollow glass like an upside down U.  The ones 
> on the starboard side have limber holes near the step without any tubing.  
> The floors to port do not have limber holes.  Water accumulates on the port 
> side between the floors.  The head and dinette are to port near one of the 
> floors, and the bottom of the finished panel that is attached to the bulkhead 
> has delaminated from 30 years of moisture.  I'm going to drill limber holes 
> in the port floors.  I may epoxy in tubes.  I'm not sure what I can do about 
> the wood panel unless I remove the fiberglass dinette (not likely).

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Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

[dwight veinot]

Thanks Joel; that is what I visualized.by the way you can do a Google search
and get hits for athwartship stringers.  Good luck with whatever you repair:
floors or stringers, both have a lot to do with structural integrity.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Aronson
Sent: February 11, 2013 1:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

 

Let me see if I get it right:

There are "floors" (which I was calling stringers) on the port and starboard
side of my mast step.  They are hollow glass like an upside down U.  The
ones on the starboard side have limber holes near the step without any
tubing.  The floors to port do not have limber holes.  Water accumulates on
the port side between the floors.  The head and dinette are to port near one
of the floors, and the bottom of the finished panel that is attached to the
bulkhead has delaminated from 30 years of moisture.  I'm going to drill
limber holes in the port floors.  I may epoxy in tubes.  I'm not sure what I
can do about the wood panel unless I remove the fiberglass dinette (not
likely).

 

Hope that's clear!

Joel 35/3

Annapolis

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM, dwight veinot
 wrote:

Well, since I have been using the term "athwartship stringers" I was just
wondering if technically that would be considered an "oxymoron."  I just
want to be on the same page as everyone else and yours was the first mention
of "floors" that I recall and an internet search enlightened me somewhat on
the topic.  I thought I understood what Joel and Chuck were talking about
but now I think maybe I did not.

 

This effort to avoid confusion has apparently confused me.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass
Sent: February 11, 2013 12:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

 

My comment was mainly to avoid confusion. Joel was talking about putting
limber holes in the stringers that keep water from draining into the bilge
from the side of the boat, and those aren't even in the bilge proper. Chuck
was describing limber holes in the floors that support the mast step keep
water from draining into the bilge from the bow. Different structures,
different materials, and not necessarily the same solutions.

 

Stringers and frames are designed to strengthen the hull. (Our boats don't
have frames, the bulkheads tabbed to the hull serve that purpose.)  Floors
support the cabin sole. If you are clear about what you are describing ( for
example " the  cross members under the mast step") it probably doesn't
matter what you call them. But using the proper description can help us all
stay on the same page.

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
veinot
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:30 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes pt 2

 

Rick

 

As a matter of interest, is it totally unacceptable to use the term
"athwartship stringers" instead of "floors" to describe the situations being
discussed lately about limber holes in bilge components of our C&C
sailboats?

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

 

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Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

[Rick Brass]

Thanks for the illustration, Fred, it may reduce the confusion.

 

Joel, you are using the term "stringers" correctly. In Fred's illustration
you can see 4 stringers - the U shaped stiffeners that run fore and aft to
stiffen the hull. On my boat there are 2 stringers as you have described,
but they are about 18 inches to 2 feet out from the centerline of the boat,
and are not attached to the floors that support the cabin sole and the mast
step. (I have hoses routed under the sole in the gap between the port
stringer and the end of the floor.) I presume the gap between the stringers
and floors is so water trapped in the shallow area forward of the mast step
can drain into the bilge when the boat is heeled.

 

In Fred's illustration there are 3 floors, which set crossways in the bilge
of the boat and will support the deck. On my 38 I have 3 floors. The mast
step is sitting on two of them, and they are glassed to the hull , with the
aft floor forming what I think of as the bilge sump. I presume they are
glassed into the bilge to reinforce and stabilize the keel stub which  also
forms the bilge. There is a third floor, or cross member, a couple of feet
forward of the companionway steps. It supports a joint in the liner, and is
not as substantial as the ones under the mast. It spans the bilge rather
than being glassed into it, so that water from aft  (stuffing box, etc) can
flow forward into the bilge sump.  My bulge pump hoses, water heater hoses,
bonding wires, and bilge pump power connections run under it.

 

I'm sorry to hear about the water damage to your teak interior. All of my
teak is either glassed to the hull with a wide band of tape, or sits on top
of the fiberglass hull liner and is glassed or bolted to the liner. The
result is that water has to get above the level of the cabin sole before it
comes in contact with any teak.

 

Rick Brass 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick
G Street
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

 

Maybe a picture would be better than words:

 

http://www.wavetrain.net/boats-a-gear/275-fiberglass-boatbuilding-internal-h
ull-structures

 

To be clear: floors run athwartships, stringers run longitudinally the
length of the vessel, generally parallel to the keel.

 

In Joel's case, I wouldn't really call these stringers, although they run
longitudinally; and they're not floors.  They're the longitudinal support
for the mast step.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson  wrote:





Let me see if I get it right:

There are "floors" (which I was calling stringers) on the port and starboard
side of my mast step.  They are hollow glass like an upside down U.   

 

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Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

[Joel Aronson]

For those who care, I found a picture of the bilge.  Its at
http://www.facebook.com/Theoffice35.  Scroll down and look for the dirty
bilge.  The mast is at the top of the photo.


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Rick Brass  wrote:

> Thanks for the illustration, Fred, it may reduce the confusion.
>
> ** **
>
> Joel, you are using the term “stringers” correctly. In Fred’s illustration
> you can see 4 stringers – the U shaped stiffeners that run fore and aft to
> stiffen the hull. On my boat there are 2 stringers as you have described,
> but they are about 18 inches to 2 feet out from the centerline of the boat,
> and are not attached to the floors that support the cabin sole and the mast
> step. (I have hoses routed under the sole in the gap between the port
> stringer and the end of the floor.) I presume the gap between the stringers
> and floors is so water trapped in the shallow area forward of the mast step
> can drain into the bilge when the boat is heeled.
>
> ** **
>
> In Fred’s illustration there are 3 floors, which set crossways in the
> bilge of the boat and will support the deck. On my 38 I have 3 floors. The
> mast step is sitting on two of them, and they are glassed to the hull ,
> with the aft floor forming what I think of as the bilge sump. I presume
> they are glassed into the bilge to reinforce and stabilize the keel stub
> which  also forms the bilge. There is a third floor, or cross member, a
> couple of feet forward of the companionway steps. It supports a joint in
> the liner, and is not as substantial as the ones under the mast. It spans
> the bilge rather than being glassed into it, so that water from aft
> (stuffing box, etc) can flow forward into the bilge sump.  My bulge pump
> hoses, water heater hoses, bonding wires, and bilge pump power connections
> run under it.
>
> ** **
>
> I’m sorry to hear about the water damage to your teak interior. All of my
> teak is either glassed to the hull with a wide band of tape, or sits on top
> of the fiberglass hull liner and is glassed or bolted to the liner. The
> result is that water has to get above the level of the cabin sole before it
> comes in contact with any teak.
>
> ** **
>
> Rick Brass 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *Frederick
> G Street
> *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 12:14 PM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> Maybe a picture would be better than words:
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://www.wavetrain.net/boats-a-gear/275-fiberglass-boatbuilding-internal-hull-structures
> 
>
> ** **
>
> To be clear: floors run athwartships, stringers run longitudinally the
> length of the vessel, generally parallel to the keel.
>
> ** **
>
> In Joel's case, I wouldn't really call these stringers, although they run
> longitudinally; and they're not floors.  They're the longitudinal support
> for the mast step.
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
> Let me see if I get it right:
>
> There are "floors" (which I was calling stringers) on the port and
> starboard side of my mast step.  They are hollow glass like an upside down
> U.   
>
> ** **
>
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Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

[dwight veinot]

Joel

 

I have looked at the photos.  The construction of your 35 MKIII below the
cabin sole is substantially different from the 35 MKII.  The MKIII has many
more athwart ship sections than the MKII and it appears as though the sole
is fastened to those sections and that those sections may be hollow or
cored.  On the MKII there are fewer athwart ship sections, in fact, there is
one for each keel bolt aft of the mast and I believe one at the mast and the
keel bolts (6 in total, 2 at the mast and 4 aft of that) come up through the
centers of these sections, which are about 6-8 inches wide and about 1.5
inches solid thickness of glass matt and resin that appear to have been hand
laid up and which extend up and outward on either side of the bilge fastened
to the hull on either side of the hull. The cabin liner, including the
integral fiberglass sole seems to have been dropped in and these solid glass
matt / resin impregnated bilge sections are well below the fiberglass sole.
The teak and holy sole is glued to the fiberglass sole which is not in
contact with these athwart ship strength members where one can see from the
bilge opening but may be in contact up under the settees.  I like the MKII
design, it is likely heavier but it is also very strong and provides for
very solid attachment of the lead keel.  There are no limber holes and I
don't believe they are necessary but the water that does collect between
these athwart ship members must be removed regularly with a sponge to
achieve a dry bilge, since that water is blocked from flowing fore or aft to
the bilge pump by the thickness of these sections at the bottom of the
bilge.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: February 11, 2013 3:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

 

For those who care, I found a picture of the bilge.  Its at
http://www.facebook.com/Theoffice35.  Scroll down and look for the dirty
bilge.  The mast is at the top of the photo.

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Rick Brass  wrote:

Thanks for the illustration, Fred, it may reduce the confusion.

 

Joel, you are using the term "stringers" correctly. In Fred's illustration
you can see 4 stringers - the U shaped stiffeners that run fore and aft to
stiffen the hull. On my boat there are 2 stringers as you have described,
but they are about 18 inches to 2 feet out from the centerline of the boat,
and are not attached to the floors that support the cabin sole and the mast
step. (I have hoses routed under the sole in the gap between the port
stringer and the end of the floor.) I presume the gap between the stringers
and floors is so water trapped in the shallow area forward of the mast step
can drain into the bilge when the boat is heeled.

 

In Fred's illustration there are 3 floors, which set crossways in the bilge
of the boat and will support the deck. On my 38 I have 3 floors. The mast
step is sitting on two of them, and they are glassed to the hull , with the
aft floor forming what I think of as the bilge sump. I presume they are
glassed into the bilge to reinforce and stabilize the keel stub which  also
forms the bilge. There is a third floor, or cross member, a couple of feet
forward of the companionway steps. It supports a joint in the liner, and is
not as substantial as the ones under the mast. It spans the bilge rather
than being glassed into it, so that water from aft  (stuffing box, etc) can
flow forward into the bilge sump.  My bulge pump hoses, water heater hoses,
bonding wires, and bilge pump power connections run under it.

 

I'm sorry to hear about the water damage to your teak interior. All of my
teak is either glassed to the hull with a wide band of tape, or sits on top
of the fiberglass hull liner and is glassed or bolted to the liner. The
result is that water has to get above the level of the cabin sole before it
comes in contact with any teak.

 

Rick Brass 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick
G Street
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:14 PM


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List limber holes - now Floors, Frames, and Stringers

 

Maybe a picture would be better than words:

 

http://www.wavetrain.net/boats-a-gear/275-fiberglass-boatbuilding-internal-h
ull-structures

 

To be clear: floors run athwartships, stringers run longitudinally the
length of the vessel, generally parallel to the keel.

 

In Joel's case, I wouldn't really call these stringers, although they run
longitudinally; and they're not floors.  They're the longitudinal support
for the mast step.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

 

Let me see if I get it right:

There are "floors" (which I was calling stringers) on th

Re: Stus-List Valentines day gift ideas?

[Colin Kilgour]

One year at Valentine's I suggested that we do "end-for-end" for a
change instead of the tried and true "dip pole" method.

I'd been hit about 3 times before she realized I was talking about sailing!

Cheers
Colin


On 2/10/13, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> I suggest a bow thruster but some might take that to be a euphemism.
>
> Joel
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Tom B  wrote:
>
>> Last year I got Lynn a windlass.  Not sure how to beat that...
>>
>> Tom Buscaglia
>> Alera, C&C37+/40
>> Vashon, WA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

[Harry]

Andy,

You have heard correct about Building 1.  The good news is MIRAGE was in the
back of the building, which remains intact.  The building was slated for
replacement in the near future as it is the last original building onsite.
Nobody was hurt; and aside from the structure, damage was minimal.  The site
was developed at the beginning of WWII as the fuel depot for the North
Atlantic destroyer fleet and training site for all PT boat crews, including
President Kennedy.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157632149487011/

 

Harry

MIRAGE

Northeast 39

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:43 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

 

Harry,
I hear Building 1 at NEB collapsed. I really hope that's not where Miracle
is. Keeping my fingers crossed for you, mate.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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Re: Stus-List Handicap review

[Bill Coleman]

Jake, 

I don't think I am usually as aggressive as you, I am guessing, but - (these
are on distance races)  I normally start out with an A sail on a headsail
tack shackle- if the wind comes back, and I believe it will stay back, I
will put the pole on the A sail tack and pop the bow shackle, then pull the
pole back. If it goes back to a close reach, the pole usually ends up on the
headstay  pulled down hard.  I have re-attached the pennant  to get rid of
the pole, but usually not, as it keeps the tack a little more to windward.

In anything but mostly downwind, I think the Asymmetrical  has a better
shape for broad reaching than a big bubble.

Unfortunately  around here, regular spinnaker races are windward leeward
because it is run by the people with the newer light boats, and then we have
to use a regular symmetrical chute.

I would like to have at least an anchor roller to attach the asymmetrical
to, because I have run into problems  with the chute wrapping around the
headstay.  It would be REALLY good to get it away from the headstay.  Did I
mention that the headstay is a problem with Asymmetricals? 

Regarding the sissy socks, I have a VF Shaw Chute Scoop sock, it can be
really handy when things get ugly and you are short handed.

I am also tempted by the newer roller furlers, but they are pricy.  

Also jibing can run into problems.   This takes practice. There are several
articles on this.  We still occasionally screw this up.  I would rather
douse it and re-set it, because, percentage-wise, it would put me in the
positive. Keep in mind, these are distance races, and we have but a few crew

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake
Brodersen
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 8:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review

 

Joel,

 

That's an excellent idea.  Of those who have them for racing, are they
tacked to the bow, to a pole laid on deck, or a custom sprit?

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review

 

Jake

 

Might be time to switch to an asym. 

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

 

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Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

[Bill Coleman]

Musta been really wet snow - 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

 

Andy,

You have heard correct about Building 1.  The good news is MIRAGE was in the
back of the building, which remains intact.  The building was slated for
replacement in the near future as it is the last original building onsite.
Nobody was hurt; and aside from the structure, damage was minimal.  The site
was developed at the beginning of WWII as the fuel depot for the North
Atlantic destroyer fleet and training site for all PT boat crews, including
President Kennedy.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157632149487011/

 

Harry

MIRAGE

Northeast 39

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:43 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

 

Harry,
I hear Building 1 at NEB collapsed. I really hope that's not where Miracle
is. Keeping my fingers crossed for you, mate.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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Re: Stus-List tip clearance

[Bill Coleman]

My 3 blade Gori was over pitched, and after a couple emails they took it
back .  I thought they would reduce the pitch, but they sent it back to
Holland or wherever and took a half inch off the diameter, it was perfect. I
was afraid they would dis me, but they took care of it.  I would suggest
that if you are having that chop-chop sound, go to a 3 blade, it solved my
problem.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Tassone
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 7:56 PM
To: Steve Armitage
Cc: Tim Downing; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Don Conway; Denny Ray
Subject: Re: Stus-List tip clearance

 

Steve,

Thanks for getting back to me.  I doubt getting this Gori 2-blade 16.5 x 11
RH  prop rebalanced will help since I already did this and the results we're
negative.  After trying to resolve this for the last three years I think the
only solution is a new prop.  I relied on your company's expertise to size
this prop for me and I made a mistake that I will have to live with.  If you
know of anyone that wants to buy a prop please let me know.  Thanks for your
concern.

Chris

- Original Message - 

From: Steve Armitage   

To: Chris Tassone   

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 12:22 PM

Subject: Re: tip clearance

 

Dear Sir, 

 

Perhaps the thing to do is have the propeller removed and re-balanced as i
think you have enough tip clearance and don't see this as an issue.  Sorry
that i cannot be more helpful than that.


Regards, Steve Armitage 

AB Marine, Inc

747 Aquidneck Ave

Middletown, RI 02842

sa...@ab-marine.com

401-847-7960

 

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Chris Tassone  wrote:

Hi Steve,

My name is Chris Tassone.  I spoke with you at  Strictly Sail Chicago
concerning the noise I get with my Gori 16.5" x 11 x 2rh prop.  You
suggested that tip clearance could be the culprit.  My tip clearance is
5-1/2".  I spread the prop by spanning the blades and hub with a strait edge
and measured this distance.  I also measured the distance on my 1" shaft
from the cutlass to the front of the prop hub which is 1-3/8".  My boat is a
1979 C&C 34 with a Yanmar 2QM.  The noise is really noticeable and could be
a concern if I ever try to sell the boat.  Would a smaller prop solve the
problem?  I installed a new shaft and coupling when I purchased the Gori.  I
lapped the shaft and checked it with a dial indicator.  The shaft is
aligned.  I really appreciate your attention.

Thanks,

Chris Tassone

231-946-8185 H

231-883-1234 C

 

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Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

[Andrew Burton]

Great news, Harry. I'm so glad to hear your lovely boat is unscathed.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine 

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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On Feb 11, 2013, at 8:21 PM, "Bill Coleman"  wrote:

> Musta been really wet snow -
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39 
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:12 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle
>  
> Andy,
> You have heard correct about Building 1.  The good news is MIRAGE was in the 
> back of the building, which remains intact.  The building was slated for 
> replacement in the near future as it is the last original building onsite.  
> Nobody was hurt; and aside from the structure, damage was minimal.  The site 
> was developed at the beginning of WWII as the fuel depot for the North 
> Atlantic destroyer fleet and training site for all PT boat crews, including 
> President Kennedy.
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157632149487011/
>  
> Harry
> MIRAGE
> Northeast 39
> Newport, RI
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Burton
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:43 PM
> To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle
>  
> Harry,
> I hear Building 1 at NEB collapsed. I really hope that's not where Miracle 
> is. Keeping my fingers crossed for you, mate.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
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Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

[Harry]

Thanks Andy, now we have to do a bit of musical boats to find a new home for
it to finish up the job.  We took the scaffolding down this morning and
should be moved in the morning.

 

Harry

 

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

 

Great news, Harry. I'm so glad to hear your lovely boat is unscathed.

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine 

 

Andrew Burton

61 W Narragansett

Newport, RI 

USA02840

 

 
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On Feb 11, 2013, at 8:21 PM, "Bill Coleman"  wrote:

Musta been really wet snow - 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

 

Andy,

You have heard correct about Building 1.  The good news is MIRAGE was in the
back of the building, which remains intact.  The building was slated for
replacement in the near future as it is the last original building onsite.
Nobody was hurt; and aside from the structure, damage was minimal.  The site
was developed at the beginning of WWII as the fuel depot for the North
Atlantic destroyer fleet and training site for all PT boat crews, including
President Kennedy.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157632149487011/

 

Harry

MIRAGE

Northeast 39

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:43 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

 

Harry,
I hear Building 1 at NEB collapsed. I really hope that's not where Miracle
is. Keeping my fingers crossed for you, mate.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

[Harry]

Bill,

Very wet snow.  We didn't get that much on the coast, no more than a foot.
It changed to rain after dark on Friday night, then back to snow.  It was 46
and rainy today.

 

Harry

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Coleman
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

 

Musta been really wet snow - 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

 

Andy,

You have heard correct about Building 1.  The good news is MIRAGE was in the
back of the building, which remains intact.  The building was slated for
replacement in the near future as it is the last original building onsite.
Nobody was hurt; and aside from the structure, damage was minimal.  The site
was developed at the beginning of WWII as the fuel depot for the North
Atlantic destroyer fleet and training site for all PT boat crews, including
President Kennedy.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46147579@N08/sets/72157632149487011/

 

Harry

MIRAGE

Northeast 39

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Burton
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:43 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Attn: Harry-Miracle

 

Harry,
I hear Building 1 at NEB collapsed. I really hope that's not where Miracle
is. Keeping my fingers crossed for you, mate.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

-- 
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Newport, RI
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Re: Stus-List Challenge

[Eric Baumes]

Chuck,

I will let you know how my spring goes. The boat needs a bunch of
fiberglass work to repair the damage from Sandy. The yard says it will be
done June 1, but not sure if that will be the case.

Thanks for the invitation to come to AC. Notwithstanding the above, I am
not sure if I can make it this year. I changed jobs last year and have much
less vacation time now.

We did the ALIR the last two years and are shooting to do the Vineyard Race
this year.

In our club races, there aren't enough spin boats that are close in PHRF
ratings. We race TOT and have gotten beaten on corrected time by an Ensign
and Tanzer 22. Using TOD we would have beat them.

In w/l the Tripp 37 usually mops us up. It is a boat famous (Breakaway-the
Tripp 37 prototype built as a custom race boat) for it pointing ability. In
light air it can sail almost 5 degrees higher than us and maintain speed.
In heavy air we can beat him upwind and we can make up some time downwind.
We beat him in one light air race last year when I had my sailmaker on
board. The skipper on the Tripp has been sailing for may years and I think
worked as a sailmaker in his career.

Eric
34/36

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

> Eric,
> I race our 34R in a small mixed fleet and we do well, usually finishing
> 1st or 2nd against only 4 to 5 boats, but many times, a J28 with a
> ridiculous "GIFT" PHRF rating of 174, beats us if he finishes within 5
> minutes of us.
>
> Instead, I really compete against one boat: a 34+ wing keel with a
> standard two spreader rig, and he is very fast.  Good friend and keen on
> the helm.  I learn every race, cause he's beaten me more than I've beaten
> him.
>
> I'd like to race you Eric, in your home waters, near Nyack.  It would be
> fun to compare, since we have the same unique 6' 3" keel.
>
> Or, you could race me off the Atlantic City boardwalk, this July, and we
> have two local 34+s registered, and if we got you and one more 34/36 we
> could get our own start.  Now that would be very special!!  Any chance
> you'd consider that?
>
> Checkout:
> http://www.ocyc.org/acrw/2013ACRW-NOR.pdf
>
> Let me know your thoughts, cause the two 34's race non-spin, and I'm
> thinking of entering the spin fleet this year, and wouldn't want to miss
> racing against 34/36s.
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> --
> *From: *"Eric Baumes" 
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 8, 2013 6:02:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Handicap review
>
> I have been thinking about the shortcomings of PHRF recently and how
> ratings can be challenged. http://www.phrf-nb.org/ has a description of
> the process which is interesting.  It tends to stack the odds against the
> "odd" or older boat. If you can take the politics out of it, generally it
> will be hard to have enough data will not have enough data to persuade the
> committee to adjust your boat based on performance of the boat (and not the
> skipper).
>
> Please note, I am complaining about my PHRF. But if I wanted to it would
> be quite difficult.
>
> On LIS there is only one other 34+ rated as of 2012. So it would be hard
> to have evidence that the boat consistently does better or worse against
> similarly rated boats.
>
> From my experience in the local fleet, I can keep pace with a J-105, and
> regularly beat at Beneteau 36.7. But in distance races 36.7s from other
> fleets have killed me.  There is a Tripp 37 that regularly mops up the
> local fleet, but when he races on the sound he is mid-fleet.
>
> Also, unlike one-design fleets that have class rules, PHRF has virtually
> no limits on things like sails. So in a more wealthly fleet, it can really
> become an arms race.
>
> Anyhoo, just some random thoughts.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Handicap review

[Jake Brodersen]

Bill,

 

I really appreciate the info. About 90% of our racing is all W-L courses.
The symmetrical chutes run deep real well.  We have one J-105 with an asym.
He races all by himself.  It doesn't look fun.  I can see the value for
reaching though.  It does do that well.  I might consider one for cruising.
Not sure I'd want to use it to race.  I'd have to declare it on my PHRF
certificate.  Not sure what they'd do to my rating.

 

Jake

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Coleman
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 8:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review

 

Jake, 

I don't think I am usually as aggressive as you, I am guessing, but - (these
are on distance races)  I normally start out with an A sail on a headsail
tack shackle- if the wind comes back, and I believe it will stay back, I
will put the pole on the A sail tack and pop the bow shackle, then pull the
pole back. If it goes back to a close reach, the pole usually ends up on the
headstay  pulled down hard.  I have re-attached the pennant  to get rid of
the pole, but usually not, as it keeps the tack a little more to windward.

In anything but mostly downwind, I think the Asymmetrical  has a better
shape for broad reaching than a big bubble.

Unfortunately  around here, regular spinnaker races are windward leeward
because it is run by the people with the newer light boats, and then we have
to use a regular symmetrical chute.

I would like to have at least an anchor roller to attach the asymmetrical
to, because I have run into problems  with the chute wrapping around the
headstay.  It would be REALLY good to get it away from the headstay.  Did I
mention that the headstay is a problem with Asymmetricals? 

Regarding the sissy socks, I have a VF Shaw Chute Scoop sock, it can be
really handy when things get ugly and you are short handed.

I am also tempted by the newer roller furlers, but they are pricy.  

Also jibing can run into problems.   This takes practice. There are several
articles on this.  We still occasionally screw this up.  I would rather
douse it and re-set it, because, percentage-wise, it would put me in the
positive. Keep in mind, these are distance races, and we have but a few crew

 

Bill Coleman

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Re: Stus-List tip clearance

[Eric Baumes]

Chris,

What model do you have?

I just yanked my Gori 2-blade prop off my 34/36. I put it on last year and
when it first went on the boat shook like crazy. I got 100 yards out of the
marina, throttled up then turned around. The yard hauled the boat, check
the shaft for true, put it back in the water, aligned the engine, drove it,
aligned the engine again.

I picked the boat up as the racing season had started, and took the boat 9
hours to a regatta. On the way home I brought it back to the boat yard as
the vibration was still bad except for a few RPM bands. I talked with AB
marine and they didn't have a 1 1/8' hub but swapped out the blades. The
boat came out of the water, blades swapped and went back in. It was better,
but when I took the boat out on a cruise, I found the vibration/noise and
the complaint of my wife who sleeps in the aft cabin when I leave anchorage
early that it was much louder than last year.

As I said, I had the yard pull the prop and I am going to contact AB Marine
this week. Given everything I went through last year, I am really tempted
to just get a martec. If they tell me the prop is fine, then I don't want
to put it back on the boat. If they tell me it had to be balanced, I am not
sure I trust putting it back on the boat.

Eric
34/36 #74

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Chris Tassone  wrote:

> **
> Steve,
> Thanks for getting back to me.  I doubt getting this Gori 2-blade 16.5 x
> 11 RH  prop rebalanced will help since I already did this and the results
> we're negative.  After trying to resolve this for the last three years I
> think the only solution is a new prop.  I relied on your company's
> expertise to size this prop for me and I made a mistake that I will have to
> live with.  If you know of anyone that wants to buy a prop please let me
> know.  Thanks for your concern.
> Chris
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Steve Armitage 
> *To:* Chris Tassone 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 08, 2013 12:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: tip clearance
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> Perhaps the thing to do is have the propeller removed and re-balanced as i
> think you have enough tip clearance and don't see this as an issue.  Sorry
> that i cannot be more helpful than that.
> Regards, Steve Armitage
> AB Marine, Inc
> 747 Aquidneck Ave
> Middletown, RI 02842
> sa...@ab-marine.com
> 401-847-7960
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Chris Tassone wrote:
>
>> **
>> Hi Steve,
>> My name is Chris Tassone.  I spoke with you at  Strictly Sail Chicago
>> concerning the noise I get with my Gori 16.5" x 11 x 2rh prop.  You
>> suggested that tip clearance could be the culprit.  My tip clearance is
>> 5-1/2".  I spread the prop by spanning the blades and hub with a strait
>> edge and measured this distance.  I also measured the distance on my 1"
>> shaft from the cutlass to the front of the prop hub which is 1-3/8".  My
>> boat is a 1979 C&C 34 with a Yanmar 2QM.  The noise is really noticeable
>> and could be a concern if I ever try to sell the boat.  Would a smaller
>> prop solve the problem?  I installed a new shaft and coupling when I
>> purchased the Gori.  I lapped the shaft and checked it with a dial
>> indicator.  The shaft is aligned.  I really appreciate your attention.
>> Thanks,
>> Chris Tassone
>> 231-946-8185 H
>> 231-883-1234 C
>>
>
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Re: Stus-List tip clearance

[cenelson]

When my old (15 year with one rebuild) MaxProp was replaced last spring, I went 
with a Gori 2 blade racing prop which was discounted 
at the time I bought it. My research showed that it had barely measurable drag.


After various discussions with Geoff of AB Marine, I got a 16 x 11 (I think) 
for my 36XL/kcb. I had to rely on some sketches from my diver 
regarding prop clearance, etc. so I was a little nervous about ordering it with 
the boat in the water.


Yard installed it, no vibrations, excessive noise, etc. basically no issues at 
all except for me learning that it takes a little more time in reverse
to 'catch' the water and get some flow over the rudder for steerage.


Although there were other issues addressed including a re-faired and new 
centerboard at the same time, I am now competitive with other similarly
rated boats that I was not competitive with prior to this.


She reaches hull speed at the recommended shaft RPM which matches the 
recommended Beta 1005 cruising RPM.


I am completely satisfied with the switch and only hope that the prop life is 
reasonably long.


Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom 





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-Original Message-
From: Eric Baumes 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Mon, Feb 11, 2013 9:25 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List tip clearance


Chris,


What model do you have?


I just yanked my Gori 2-blade prop off my 34/36. I put it on last year and when 
it first went on the boat shook like crazy. I got 100 yards out of the marina, 
throttled up then turned around. The yard hauled the boat, check the shaft for 
true, put it back in the water, aligned the engine, drove it, aligned the 
engine again. 


I picked the boat up as the racing season had started, and took the boat 9 
hours to a regatta. On the way home I brought it back to the boat yard as the 
vibration was still bad except for a few RPM bands. I talked with AB marine and 
they didn't have a 1 1/8' hub but swapped out the blades. The boat came out of 
the water, blades swapped and went back in. It was better, but when I took the 
boat out on a cruise, I found the vibration/noise and the complaint of my wife 
who sleeps in the aft cabin when I leave anchorage early that it was much 
louder than last year.


As I said, I had the yard pull the prop and I am going to contact AB Marine 
this week. Given everything I went through last year, I am really tempted to 
just get a martec. If they tell me the prop is fine, then I don't want to put 
it back on the boat. If they tell me it had to be balanced, I am not sure I 
trust putting it back on the boat.


Eric 
34/36 #74


On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Chris Tassone  wrote:


Steve,
Thanks for getting back to me.  I doubt getting this Gori 2-blade 16.5 x 11 RH  
prop rebalanced will help since I already did this and the results we're 
negative.  After trying to resolve this for the last three years I think the 
only solution is a new prop.  I relied on your company's expertise to size this 
prop for me and I made a mistake that I will have to live with.  If you know of 
anyone that wants to buy a prop please let me know.  Thanks for your concern.
Chris
  
- Original Message - 
  
From:   Steve   Armitage 
  
To: Chris Tassone 
  
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 12:22   PM
  
Subject: Re: tip clearance
  


Dear   Sir,  


  
Perhaps the thing to do is   have the propeller removed and re-balanced as i 
think you have enough tip   clearance and don't see this as an issue.  Sorry 
that i cannot be more   helpful than that.
  
Regards, Steve Armitage  
AB Marine, Inc
  
747 Aquidneck Ave
  
Middletown, RI 02842
  
sa...@ab-marine.com
  
401-847-7960


  
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Chris Tassone  wrote:
  


Hi Steve,

My name is Chris Tassone.  I spoke with you at  Strictly Sail Chicago 
concerning the noise I get with my Gori 16.5" x 11 x 2rh prop.  You 
suggested that tip clearance could be the culprit.  My tip clearance is 
5-1/2".  I spread the prop by spanning the blades and hub with a strait 
edge and measured this distance.  I also measured the distance on my 1" 
shaft from the cutlass to the front of the prop hub which is 1-3/8".  My 
boat is a 1979 C&C 34 with a Yanmar 2QM.  The noise is really noticeable 
and could be a concern if I ever try to sell the boat.  Would a smaller 
prop solve the problem?  I installed a new shaft and coupling when I 
purchased the Gori.  I lapped the shaft and checked it with a dial 
indicator.  The shaft is aligned.  I really appreciate your attention.

Thanks,

Chris Tassone

231-946-8185 H

231-883-1234   C





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