Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Rich Knowles]

I find that varnish has a classic look that Cetol products cannot match. UV 
protection for a cabin sole is not an issue. It's all personal preference:)

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-01-31, at 22:36, Joel Aronson  wrote:

Rich,

I want a clear finish.  My understanding is that with the epoxy the
only real purpose of the varnish is to provide UV protection.  Am I
missing something?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis
Sent from my iPad

On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Joel: Do you have a reason for using Cetol rather than a good quality varnish 
> such as Epiphanes?
> 
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo. LF38
> Halifax
> 
> On 2013-01-31, at 20:59, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
> I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
> I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
> under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
> many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Seatalk

[Rich Knowles]

Brent, out of curiosity, what characteristic of the ST 1000's behavior are you 
attempting to change?  The 1000's compass is generally quite adequate for 
course maintenance. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-01-31, at 22:53, Brent Driedger  wrote:

I have an ST1000 tiller pilot that I am fairly happy with. I just got an ST40 
compass and I understand that if the pilot sees another flux gate compass in 
the network it will ignore its own built in unit and use the other. I like that 
idea as I can mount the compass in a less lively place and clear of 
interferences. My question is what additional wiring do I need and what would 
the wiring layout be to interface the pilot to my ST40 compass and ST40 bidata 
display? 
The instructions don't discuss the remote fluxgate method.

Brent Driedger
C&C 27-5
s/v Wild Rover

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On 2013-01-29, at 7:46 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

> Boy, I wanna be like you when I grow up.  You da Man!
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:29:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating
> 
> Well, I'm still out in Colorado skiing.  My ski buddies and I have been 
> "sampling" hot drinks late in the afternoon at some of the on slope bars.  
> (The last run of the day is always "fun".)
> 
> Mostly they involve coffee or hot chocolate with combinations of Bailey's, 
> Frangelica, Amaretto, Kahlua, Jamison's.  Haven't decided on a favorite yet.  
> I encourage listers to experiment and report back.  :)  The 
> 
> Nutty Irishman is high on the list:
> 
> 1 ounce Irish cream liqueur
> 1 ounce Frangelico
> 1 ounce Kahlua
> 5 ounces hot coffee
> Whipped cream, for garnish
> Green sanding sugar, for garnish (optional)
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> From: Chuck S 
> To: cnc-list CNC boat owners  
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 4:29 PM
> Subject: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating
> 
> New topic;  Best Hot Drinks for Boating
> Hot chocolate is nice, but what are some good "adult" drinks to warm up the 
> offwatch crew, or celebrate at the dock?
> 
> Is there a frostbiter's special?
> 
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Pat Nevitt]

The biggest disadvantage to varnish is that it gets slippery when wet.  How
do you keep it from doing that?  Additionally, should you ever have to
remove it in the future, varnish is a major pain.  I have refinished a lot
of furniture over the years and varnish was always the worst to remove.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> I find that varnish has a classic look that Cetol products cannot match.
> UV protection for a cabin sole is not an issue. It's all personal
> preference:)
>
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo. LF38
> Halifax
>
> On 2013-01-31, at 22:36, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> I want a clear finish.  My understanding is that with the epoxy the
> only real purpose of the varnish is to provide UV protection.  Am I
> missing something?
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
>
> > Joel: Do you have a reason for using Cetol rather than a good quality
> varnish such as Epiphanes?
> >
> > Rich Knowles
> > Indigo. LF38
> > Halifax
> >
> > On 2013-01-31, at 20:59, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> >
> > I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
> > I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
> > under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
> > many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.
> >
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Joel Aronson]

I'll try it on a scrap.

Joel Aronson


On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:36 PM, "Dennis C."  wrote:

Joel,

Cetol will take a lng time to completely dry.  I used it on a piece of
holly teak sole once.  4 days later I installed the piece and stepped on
it.  Left a permanent shoeprint.  Applied another coat and put a heater in
the boat for a week.  Still felt soft.  It finally dried enough so shoes
didn't mark it.

Your experience may vary.

I'd opt for varnish.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

Rich,

I want a clear finish.  My understanding is that with the epoxy the
only real purpose of the varnish is to provide UV protection.  Am I
missing something?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis
Sent from my iPad

On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Joel: Do you have a reason for using Cetol rather than a good quality
varnish such as Epiphanes?
>
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo. LF38
> Halifax
>
> On 2013-01-31, at 20:59, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>
> I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
> I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
> under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
> many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.
>
> Joel
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Rich Knowles]

Just about every gloss finish gets slippery when wet. I don't find varnish any 
different and it is not slippery when dry. It sure looks better than most other 
finishes from my point if view and, if it's tough to remove, I'd say that is a 
sign of durability, a good thing. Chemical stripping has always worked well for 
me and as they are flat surfaces, cabin soles are relatively easy to refinish. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-02-01, at 7:41, Pat Nevitt  wrote:

The biggest disadvantage to varnish is that it gets slippery when wet.  How do 
you keep it from doing that?  Additionally, should you ever have to remove it 
in the future, varnish is a major pain.  I have refinished a lot of furniture 
over the years and varnish was always the worst to remove.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
> I find that varnish has a classic look that Cetol products cannot match. UV 
> protection for a cabin sole is not an issue. It's all personal preference:)
> 
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo. LF38
> Halifax
> 
> On 2013-01-31, at 22:36, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
> Rich,
> 
> I want a clear finish.  My understanding is that with the epoxy the
> only real purpose of the varnish is to provide UV protection.  Am I
> missing something?
> 
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
> 
> > Joel: Do you have a reason for using Cetol rather than a good quality 
> > varnish such as Epiphanes?
> >
> > Rich Knowles
> > Indigo. LF38
> > Halifax
> >
> > On 2013-01-31, at 20:59, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> >
> > I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
> > I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
> > under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
> > many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.
> >
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[dwight veinot]

Joel

 

I redid the cabin sole on Alianna about 6 years ago.  It is teak and holy
and it is glued down.

 

I removed the old finish with chemical (methylene chloride gel) stripper and
a simple scraper.  Then a very light sanding with 220 grit, clean the dust
finishing with a solvent wetted rag.

 

I applied only 1 coat of Sikkens cetol marine protective translucent finish
for boats with a brush and I did the whole thing at once exiting the boat
from the hatch in the v berth.

 

I have done nothing more since then.  The sole has been wet from taking
showers and from the normal amount of water that gets in on your gear.

 

If I get real ambitious I may give it a light sanding and another coat
before launch this year but it could and probably will do without that.

 

I did not want a shiny finish and I did not get a glass like look.I got more
of a natural oiled wood look.

 

I am pleased with the job, much better than before I did it.  Some like
shiny, everyone to their own I guess.

 

I do have a problem, not from the refinish but because on my 35 MKII waters
seems to get under the sole from somewhere and accumulate right at a
junction in the sole on the starboard side forward of the nav table.  That
has caused a darkened and slightly damaged (separated laminate) of a few
square inches in that spot only and is not related to the coating that I
used.  It is not yet worth the effort or cost of redoing as far as I am
concerned.  I will try to some in situ repair if I do the recoat.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Aronson
Sent: February 1, 2013 7:57 AM
To: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

 

I'll try it on a scrap. 

Joel Aronson

 


On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:36 PM, "Dennis C."  wrote:

Joel,

 

Cetol will take a lng time to completely dry.  I used it on a piece of
holly teak sole once.  4 days later I installed the piece and stepped on it.
Left a permanent shoeprint.  Applied another coat and put a heater in the
boat for a week.  Still felt soft.  It finally dried enough so shoes didn't
mark it.

 

Your experience may vary.

 

I'd opt for varnish.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA


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From: Joel Aronson 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish


Rich,

I want a clear finish.  My understanding is that with the epoxy the
only real purpose of the varnish is to provide UV protection.  Am I
missing something?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis
Sent from my iPad

On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Joel: Do you have a reason for using Cetol rather than a good quality
varnish such as Epiphanes?
>
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo. LF38
> Halifax
>
> On 2013-01-31, at 20:59, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>
> I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
> I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
> under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
> many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.
>
> Joel
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[Chef2Sail]

I am thinking of pulling up the sole and redoing.  I have already  searched 
out the flooring and want to begin the process of removing the  present 
sole in its pieces so they can be used to "template" the cuts for the  new 
sole. On Haleakula they are screwed down in most spots by casual  observation. 
 
Has anyone done this project? How far under the port settee does the sole  
run? What tricks/ tips could you give me before I start this?
 
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[Joel Aronson]

Dave,

As you know I am refinishing mine.  The whole thing is in my garage and
breakfast room.  It is screwed down.  Most of the screws came out.  A used
a dremel to grind the head off of 3 or 4.  The sole runs under the settee
but does not run under the seat if that's your concern.  There are almost
no square edges on the major pieces - everything is a bevel or an angle.
Unless you have serious rot or delamination you might want to do a
re-finish.  Take a look at the before/after shots on
facebook.com/theoffice35 to see the piece that was under my settee before,
during and almost after.  The West epoxy with  clear 207 hardener does a
credible job of filling in chips and dings.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:28 AM,  wrote:

> **
> I am thinking of pulling up the sole and redoing.  I have already searched
> out the flooring and want to begin the process of removing the present sole
> in its pieces so they can be used to "template" the cuts for the new sole.
> On Haleakula they are screwed down in most spots by casual observation.
>
> Has anyone done this project? How far under the port settee does the sole
> run? What tricks/ tips could you give me before I start this?
>
> Dave
>
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Bill Connon]

Joel Aronson wrote:

I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.

Joel
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Joel,

I bought my 36 in 1995. The first year at layup, I removed the boards 
and made temporary ones out of 1/2"presswood. I store the teak and holly 
in the basement until after the new year. The undersides get a good 
check up for damage from water/humidity from the bilge. Bottom and edges 
are kept well sealed. On the topside I give a light sanding and then a 
thin coat of  Minwax - Helmsman - Spar Urethane - Clear Gloss. The 
result is a hard, shiny finish which is not slippery when wet. Floor 
finish is a matter of taste but I get a lot of compliments over the 
appearance of my floorboards.


Bill
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Stus-List Anybody know this boat?

[David Risch]

All,

My buddy has put a deposit down (subject of course to a survey) on this boat
it looks clean from pictures but I was hoping to get a bit of history on it. 

Thanks in advance 


http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/29706

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[Tim Goodyear]

Dave,

My cabin sole is not original (replaced 6 / 7 years ago), but there's one
painful aspect of the piece to port under the settee; to remove it I have
to either unstep the mast, or dismantle the settee base (the flat
immediately under the cushions).  Just something to look out for...

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:28 AM,  wrote:

> **
> I am thinking of pulling up the sole and redoing.  I have already searched
> out the flooring and want to begin the process of removing the present sole
> in its pieces so they can be used to "template" the cuts for the new sole.
> On Haleakula they are screwed down in most spots by casual observation.
>
> Has anyone done this project? How far under the port settee does the sole
> run? What tricks/ tips could you give me before I start this?
>
> Dave
>
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> C&C MKIII # 76
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[Joel Aronson]

Tim,
Didn't have to do either on my 35/3.  Interesting!  How do you dismantle
the base?  I may have to do that to add limber holes.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:

> Dave,
>
> My cabin sole is not original (replaced 6 / 7 years ago), but there's one
> painful aspect of the piece to port under the settee; to remove it I have
> to either unstep the mast, or dismantle the settee base (the flat
> immediately under the cushions).  Just something to look out for...
>
> Tim
> Mojito
> C&C 35-3
> Branford, CT
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:28 AM,  wrote:
>
>> **
>> I am thinking of pulling up the sole and redoing.  I have already
>> searched out the flooring and want to begin the process of removing the
>> present sole in its pieces so they can be used to "template" the cuts for
>> the new sole. On Haleakula they are screwed down in most spots by casual
>> observation.
>>
>> Has anyone done this project? How far under the port settee does the sole
>> run? What tricks/ tips could you give me before I start this?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> S/V Haleakula
>> C&C MKIII # 76
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[Monty Schumpert]

Since the mast is still stepped, I had to remove the port settee base on my 
34+. It came off with the removal of about a dozen flat head screws -- a little 
tight around the sides where the cushions sit and a couple of minor scratches 
which will be hidden by the cushions.

Monty
Scandia
C&C 34+
Annapolis
On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Joel Aronson wrote:

> Tim,
> Didn't have to do either on my 35/3.  Interesting!  How do you dismantle the 
> base?  I may have to do that to add limber holes.
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> My cabin sole is not original (replaced 6 / 7 years ago), but there's one 
> painful aspect of the piece to port under the settee; to remove it I have to 
> either unstep the mast, or dismantle the settee base (the flat immediately 
> under the cushions).  Just something to look out for...
> 
> Tim
> Mojito
> C&C 35-3
> Branford, CT
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:28 AM,  wrote:
> I am thinking of pulling up the sole and redoing.  I have already searched 
> out the flooring and want to begin the process of removing the present sole 
> in its pieces so they can be used to "template" the cuts for the new sole. On 
> Haleakula they are screwed down in most spots by casual observation.
>  
> Has anyone done this project? How far under the port settee does the sole 
> run? What tricks/ tips could you give me before I start this?
>  
> Dave
>  
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[Tim Goodyear]

My settee may not be original either.  Essentially, there's a flat piece of
plywood (with attached fiddles to keep the cushions in place) that's
screwed to the fiberglass liner that's attached to the hull.  The
interference issue is the little "pan-handle" of the board that is to port
of the mast.  If I separate that then there'll be no problem.

Tim
35/3
Branford, CT


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> Tim,
> Didn't have to do either on my 35/3.  Interesting!  How do you dismantle
> the base?  I may have to do that to add limber holes.
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> My cabin sole is not original (replaced 6 / 7 years ago), but there's one
>> painful aspect of the piece to port under the settee; to remove it I have
>> to either unstep the mast, or dismantle the settee base (the flat
>> immediately under the cushions).  Just something to look out for...
>>
>> Tim
>> Mojito
>> C&C 35-3
>> Branford, CT
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:28 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> I am thinking of pulling up the sole and redoing.  I have already
>>> searched out the flooring and want to begin the process of removing the
>>> present sole in its pieces so they can be used to "template" the cuts for
>>> the new sole. On Haleakula they are screwed down in most spots by casual
>>> observation.
>>>
>>> Has anyone done this project? How far under the port settee does the
>>> sole run? What tricks/ tips could you give me before I start this?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> S/V Haleakula
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[Marek Dziedzic]

I hate to admit, but I am at 115 ft (6 boats). But I hope to go down one 
(actually, in negotiations as we speak). This would get me down to only 91 ft.

Btw. this calculations give an unfair advantage to kayak owners (they are long 
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[Curtis]

62 feet here  one 16' mckee cc  One Kayak 16' and then my CYC 30 MK1

On 2/1/13, Marek Dziedzic  wrote:
> I hate to admit, but I am at 115 ft (6 boats). But I hope to go down one
> (actually, in negotiations as we speak). This would get me down to only 91
> ft.
>
> Btw. this calculations give an unfair advantage to kayak owners (they are
> long (17-22 ft?)).
>
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[Joe Della Barba]

http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3586373982.html

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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Andrew Burton]

Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd
love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying
to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I
know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want.
By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they are
more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not considering
those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of cabin sole on
which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
cheers
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Bill Connon  wrote:

> Joel Aronson wrote:
>
>> I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
>> I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
>> under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
>> many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.
>>
>> Joel
>> Sent from my iPad
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>
> I bought my 36 in 1995. The first year at layup, I removed the boards and
> made temporary ones out of 1/2"presswood. I store the teak and holly in the
> basement until after the new year. The undersides get a good check up for
> damage from water/humidity from the bilge. Bottom and edges are kept well
> sealed. On the topside I give a light sanding and then a thin coat of
>  Minwax - Helmsman - Spar Urethane - Clear Gloss. The result is a hard,
> shiny finish which is not slippery when wet. Floor finish is a matter of
> taste but I get a lot of compliments over the appearance of my floorboards.
>
> Bill
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[dwight veinot]

Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their shoes
off to enter

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Sent: February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

 

Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd
love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying
to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I
know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want. 
By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they are
more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not considering
those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of cabin sole on
which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
cheers
Andy
C&C 40 
Peregrine

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Bill Connon  wrote:

Joel Aronson wrote:

I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.

Joel
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I bought my 36 in 1995. The first year at layup, I removed the boards and
made temporary ones out of 1/2"presswood. I store the teak and holly in the
basement until after the new year. The undersides get a good check up for
damage from water/humidity from the bilge. Bottom and edges are kept well
sealed. On the topside I give a light sanding and then a thin coat of
Minwax - Helmsman - Spar Urethane - Clear Gloss. The result is a hard, shiny
finish which is not slippery when wet. Floor finish is a matter of taste but
I get a lot of compliments over the appearance of my floorboards.

Bill
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Joel Aronson]

Dwight,

The real problem is that the cushions are going to look even more shabby
once the sole is done.  I don't sew and new cushions are not in my budget.

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM, dwight veinot
wrote:

> ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their shoes
> off to enter
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>   --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Burton
> *Sent:* February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> **
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish
> 
>
>  ** **
>
> Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd
> love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying
> to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I
> know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want.
> By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they
> are more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not
> considering those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of
> cabin sole on which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
> cheers
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>  On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Bill Connon 
> wrote:
>
> Joel Aronson wrote:
>
> I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
> I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
> under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
> many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.
>
> Joel
> Sent from my iPad
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>
> I bought my 36 in 1995. The first year at layup, I removed the boards and
> made temporary ones out of 1/2"presswood. I store the teak and holly in the
> basement until after the new year. The undersides get a good check up for
> damage from water/humidity from the bilge. Bottom and edges are kept well
> sealed. On the topside I give a light sanding and then a thin coat of
>  Minwax - Helmsman - Spar Urethane - Clear Gloss. The result is a hard,
> shiny finish which is not slippery when wet. Floor finish is a matter of
> taste but I get a lot of compliments over the appearance of my floorboards.
>
> Bill
> Caprice 1
> C&C 36 - 1978
>
>
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Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Robert Abbott]

Andy
There was a product called 'Ultimate Sole' that did a great job it 
is/was shiny but not slippery, even when wet.  I have heard that it has 
been discontinued but I bet there a few quarts in someone's inventory 
somewhere..worth a try to try and find a quart.


I put 5 coats of it on the cabin sole 6 years ago and it still looks good.

Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2013/02/01 3:15 PM, Andrew Burton wrote:
Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? 
I'd love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and 
am trying to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, 
which is what I know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and 
get the finish I want.
By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes 
they are more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not 
considering those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of 
cabin sole on which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is 
pretty!

cheers
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Bill Connon > wrote:


Joel Aronson wrote:

I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105
and 207.
I added a couple before/after pictures to
facebook.com/theoffice35 
under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol
to as
many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.

Joel
Sent from my iPad

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Joel,

I bought my 36 in 1995. The first year at layup, I removed the
boards and made temporary ones out of 1/2"presswood. I store the
teak and holly in the basement until after the new year. The
undersides get a good check up for damage from water/humidity from
the bilge. Bottom and edges are kept well sealed. On the topside I
give a light sanding and then a thin coat of  Minwax - Helmsman -
Spar Urethane - Clear Gloss. The result is a hard, shiny finish
which is not slippery when wet. Floor finish is a matter of taste
but I get a lot of compliments over the appearance of my floorboards.

Bill
Caprice 1
C&C 36 - 1978


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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Robert Abbott]

Dwight says mine looks pretty but he doesn't take his shoes off when he 
goes down below.


Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2013/02/01 3:21 PM, dwight veinot wrote:


Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their 
shoes off to enter


Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS



*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Andrew Burton

*Sent:* February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? 
I'd love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and 
am trying to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, 
which is what I know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and 
get the finish I want.
By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes 
they are more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not 
considering those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of 
cabin sole on which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is 
pretty!

cheers
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine




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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Andrew Burton]

Well, of course. You don't have the kind of friend who would wear shoes
down below, do you?! : )
Realistically, I plan on having to put a coat on each off season as the dog
will leave scratches from her paws.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM, dwight veinot
wrote:

> ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their shoes
> off to enter
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>   --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Burton
> *Sent:* February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> **
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish
> 
>
>  ** **
>
> Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd
> love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying
> to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I
> know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want.
> By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they
> are more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not
> considering those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of
> cabin sole on which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
> cheers
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>  On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Bill Connon 
> wrote:
>
> Joel Aronson wrote:
>
> I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
> I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
> under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
> many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.
>
> Joel
> Sent from my iPad
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> Joel,
>
> I bought my 36 in 1995. The first year at layup, I removed the boards and
> made temporary ones out of 1/2"presswood. I store the teak and holly in the
> basement until after the new year. The undersides get a good check up for
> damage from water/humidity from the bilge. Bottom and edges are kept well
> sealed. On the topside I give a light sanding and then a thin coat of
>  Minwax - Helmsman - Spar Urethane - Clear Gloss. The result is a hard,
> shiny finish which is not slippery when wet. Floor finish is a matter of
> taste but I get a lot of compliments over the appearance of my floorboards.
>
> Bill
> Caprice 1
> C&C 36 - 1978
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[dwight veinot]

That says it all, we got the same problem with hardwood floors in the house
but we love the dog!!!

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Sent: February 1, 2013 3:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

 

Well, of course. You don't have the kind of friend who would wear shoes down
below, do you?! : )
Realistically, I plan on having to put a coat on each off season as the dog
will leave scratches from her paws. 
Andy
C&C 40 
Peregrine

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM, dwight veinot 
wrote:

Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their shoes
off to enter

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Sent: February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com


Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

 

Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd
love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying
to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I
know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want. 

By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they are
more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not considering
those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of cabin sole on
which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
cheers
Andy
C&C 40 
Peregrine

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Bill Connon  wrote:

Joel Aronson wrote:

I'm applying epoxy to the topside of the sole using West 105 and 207.
I added a couple before/after pictures to facebook.com/theoffice35
under the photo timeline.  Next week I'll start applying Cetol to as
many board as I can fit into my breakfast rom at one time.

Joel
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Joel,

I bought my 36 in 1995. The first year at layup, I removed the boards and
made temporary ones out of 1/2"presswood. I store the teak and holly in the
basement until after the new year. The undersides get a good check up for
damage from water/humidity from the bilge. Bottom and edges are kept well
sealed. On the topside I give a light sanding and then a thin coat of
Minwax - Helmsman - Spar Urethane - Clear Gloss. The result is a hard, shiny
finish which is not slippery when wet. Floor finish is a matter of taste but
I get a lot of compliments over the appearance of my floorboards.

Bill
Caprice 1
C&C 36 - 1978



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Re: Stus-List Poly Navicular Morbus - too many boats disease - group confessional session; Keep Turning Left

[Neil Andersen]

123 ft, 8 boats...

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Poly Navicular Morbus - too many boats disease -
group confessional session; Keep Turning Left

62 feet here  one 16' mckee cc  One Kayak 16' and then my CYC 30 MK1

On 2/1/13, Marek Dziedzic  wrote:
> I hate to admit, but I am at 115 ft (6 boats). But I hope to go down 
> one (actually, in negotiations as we speak). This would get me down to 
> only 91 ft.
>
> Btw. this calculations give an unfair advantage to kayak owners (they 
> are long (17-22 ft?)).
>
> Marek in Ottawa


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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[dwight veinot]

Very true, I know Bob to be very meticulous about the seaworthiness,
function and appearance of his boat...he uses it a lot but doesn't go too
far from home port.  I have enjoyed time on board with him and I can attest
to the virtues of "ultimate sole".  It's hard to accept that a product that
is so good for those who want shine without slip might have been
discontinued.  Of course you might be in for doing 5 coats.see what I mean,
he is meticulous!!!  He also lifted the sole and sealed the underside and
edges with epoxy.  Bullet proof!!!

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

  _  

From: Robert Abbott [mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca] 
Sent: February 1, 2013 3:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

 

Dwight says mine looks pretty but he doesn't take his shoes off when he goes
down below.

Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2013/02/01 3:21 PM, dwight veinot wrote:

Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their shoes
off to enter

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

 

Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd
love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying
to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I
know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want. 
By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they are
more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not considering
those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of cabin sole on
which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
cheers
Andy
C&C 40 
Peregrine

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Andrew Burton]

I'll check around for it. Hope it's still made.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:09 PM, dwight veinot
wrote:

> ** ** ** **
>
> Very true, I know Bob to be very meticulous about the seaworthiness,
> function and appearance of his boat...he uses it a lot but doesn’t go too
> far from home port.  I have enjoyed time on board with him and I can attest
> to the virtues of “ultimate sole”.  It’s hard to accept that a product that
> is so good for those who want shine without slip might have been
> discontinued.  Of course you might be in for doing 5 coats…see what I mean,
> he is meticulous!!!  He also lifted the sole and sealed the underside and
> edges with epoxy.  Bullet proof!!!
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>   --
>
> *From:* Robert Abbott [mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca]
> *Sent:* February 1, 2013 3:41 PM
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> *Cc:* dwight veinot
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish
> 
>
>  ** **
>
> Dwight says mine looks pretty but he doesn't take his shoes off when he
> goes down below.
>
> Bob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax**, **N.S.
>
> On 2013/02/01 3:21 PM, dwight veinot wrote:
>
> **
>
> Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their shoes
> off to enter
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>   --
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton
> *Sent:* February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish
>
> ** **
>
> Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd
> love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying
> to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I
> know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want.
> By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they
> are more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not
> considering those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of
> cabin sole on which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
> cheers
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
> **
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Joel Aronson]

It has not been made for several years.

Joel


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Andrew Burton wrote:

> I'll check around for it. Hope it's still made.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:09 PM, dwight veinot <
> dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
>> ** ** ** **
>>
>> Very true, I know Bob to be very meticulous about the seaworthiness,
>> function and appearance of his boat...he uses it a lot but doesn’t go too
>> far from home port.  I have enjoyed time on board with him and I can attest
>> to the virtues of “ultimate sole”.  It’s hard to accept that a product that
>> is so good for those who want shine without slip might have been
>> discontinued.  Of course you might be in for doing 5 coats…see what I mean,
>> he is meticulous!!!  He also lifted the sole and sealed the underside and
>> edges with epoxy.  Bullet proof!!!
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Dwight Veinot
>>
>> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>>
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* Robert Abbott [mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca]
>> *Sent:* February 1, 2013 3:41 PM
>> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
>> *Cc:* dwight veinot
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish
>> 
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> Dwight says mine looks pretty but he doesn't take his shoes off when he
>> goes down below.
>>
>> Bob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax**, **N.S.
>>
>> On 2013/02/01 3:21 PM, dwight veinot wrote:
>>
>> **
>>
>> Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their
>> shoes off to enter
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Dwight Veinot
>>
>> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>>
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List 
>> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton
>> *Sent:* February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
>> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards?
>> I'd love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am
>> trying to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is
>> what I know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish
>> I want.
>> By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they
>> are more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not
>> considering those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of
>> cabin sole on which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
>> cheers
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>> **
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Rich Knowles]

Yeah, but what's he referring to...?

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-02-01, at 15:41, Robert Abbott  wrote:

Dwight says mine looks pretty but he doesn't take his shoes off when he goes 
down below.

Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2013/02/01 3:21 PM, dwight veinot wrote:
> Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their shoes 
> off to enter
>  
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On  
>  Behalf Of Andrew Burton
> Sent: February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish
>  
> Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd 
> love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying to 
> decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I know, 
> but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want. 
> By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they are 
> more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not considering 
> those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of cabin sole on 
> which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
> cheers
> Andy
> C&C 40 
> Peregrine
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Joel Aronson]

Ultimate Sole has ot been made for several years


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Yeah, but what's he referring to...?
>
>
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo. LF38
> Halifax
>
> On 2013-02-01, at 15:41, Robert Abbott  wrote:
>
> Dwight says mine looks pretty but he doesn't take his shoes off when he
> goes down below.
>
> Bob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2013/02/01 3:21 PM, dwight veinot wrote:
>
> ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their shoes
> off to enter
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>   --
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton
> *Sent:* February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish
>
> ** **
>
> Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd
> love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying
> to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I
> know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want.
> By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they
> are more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not
> considering those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of
> cabin sole on which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
> cheers
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
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Re: Stus-List Too many boats disease -group confessional session;

[Gary Nylander]

85 from 11 - 30-1, 25 shell, dinghy, and 8 models.

Gary
- Original Message - 
From: "Neil Andersen" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Poly Navicular Morbus - too 85


123 ft, 8 boats...

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Poly Navicular Morbus - too many boats disease -
group confessional session; Keep Turning Left

62 feet here  one 16' mckee cc  One Kayak 16' and then my CYC 30 MK1

On 2/1/13, Marek Dziedzic  wrote:

I hate to admit, but I am at 115 ft (6 boats). But I hope to go down
one (actually, in negotiations as we speak). This would get me down to
only 91 ft.

Btw. this calculations give an unfair advantage to kayak owners (they
are long (17-22 ft?)).

Marek in Ottawa



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Re: Stus-List Too many boats disease -group confessional session;

[Andrew Burton]

Models? We're counting models? I think I'm in the thousands, then!
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Gary Nylander wrote:

> 85 from 11 - 30-1, 25 shell, dinghy, and 8 models.
>
> Gary
> - Original Message - From: "Neil Andersen" <
> neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Poly Navicular Morbus - too 85
>
>  123 ft, 8 boats...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List 
>> [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc-**list.com]
>> On Behalf Of Curtis
>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:03 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Poly Navicular Morbus - too many boats disease -
>> group confessional session; Keep Turning Left
>>
>> 62 feet here  one 16' mckee cc  One Kayak 16' and then my CYC 30 MK1
>>
>> On 2/1/13, Marek Dziedzic  wrote:
>>
>>> I hate to admit, but I am at 115 ft (6 boats). But I hope to go down
>>> one (actually, in negotiations as we speak). This would get me down to
>>> only 91 ft.
>>>
>>> Btw. this calculations give an unfair advantage to kayak owners (they
>>> are long (17-22 ft?)).
>>>
>>> Marek in Ottawa
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[dwight veinot]

Leave it to Rich for a twisted observation!!!  He can be comedic at times
but we understand his ways, he's a good guy trying to create humour and as
we all know God loves laughter

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Knowles
Sent: February 1, 2013 5:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

 

Yeah, but what's he referring to...?

Rich Knowles

Indigo. LF38

Halifax


On 2013-02-01, at 15:41, Robert Abbott  wrote:

Dwight says mine looks pretty but he doesn't take his shoes off when he goes
down below.

Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2013/02/01 3:21 PM, dwight veinot wrote:

Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their shoes
off to enter

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

 

Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd
love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying
to decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I
know, but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want. 
By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they are
more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not considering
those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of cabin sole on
which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
cheers
Andy
C&C 40 
Peregrine

 

 

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Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous...

[David Risch]

Hi all you North-easterners.  As John Read and I organized the 2012 Rendezvous, 
I was wondering what the interest was of having it again and who wants to step 
up and carry the ball this  time.  


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Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous...

[Andrew Burton]

I'll certainly try to be there, but I think I'd like to get a few miles
under my C&C's keel before I jump in and volunteer...especially seeing as
I've never been to a rendezvous.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
Newport

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM, David Risch  wrote:

> Hi all you North-easterners.  As John Read and I organized the 2012
> Rendezvous, I was wondering what the interest was of having it again and
> who wants to step up and carry the ball this  time.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous...

[Edd Schillay]

David,

Would LOVE to do it again, though not sure about carrying any balls :)

Some suggestions for 2013:

1. Earlier in the season (it was a little chilly at night)
2. Maybe a little closer West? (We did travel the farthest by 
boat, but Mystic was phenomenal)
3. A place with floating slips? 

As nice as it was meeting and taking to Rob Ball, the best part about 
the 2012 event was getting the fleet together and meeting the whole group. 

If there's any interest in coming to Western LIS, I'm sure I can 
arrange for catering space, moorings, etc. at my club. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:07 PM, David Risch  wrote:

> Hi all you North-easterners.  As John Read and I organized the 2012 
> Rendezvous, I was wondering what the interest was of having it again and who 
> wants to step up and carry the ball this  time.  
> 
> 
> 1981 40-2
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Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous...

[Edd Schillay]

Also, speaking on behalf of everyone, we thought David and John did such an 
amazing job of organizing the 2012 event that we should happily volunteer them 
to organize similar events on an annual basis, usque ad mortem.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website







On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> David,
> 
>   Would LOVE to do it again, though not sure about carrying any balls :)
> 
>   Some suggestions for 2013:
> 
>   1. Earlier in the season (it was a little chilly at night)
>   2. Maybe a little closer West? (We did travel the farthest by 
> boat, but Mystic was phenomenal)
>   3. A place with floating slips? 
> 
>   As nice as it was meeting and taking to Rob Ball, the best part about 
> the 2012 event was getting the fleet together and meeting the whole group. 
> 
>   If there's any interest in coming to Western LIS, I'm sure I can 
> arrange for catering space, moorings, etc. at my club. 
> 
>   
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:07 PM, David Risch  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all you North-easterners.  As John Read and I organized the 2012 
>> Rendezvous, I was wondering what the interest was of having it again and who 
>> wants to step up and carry the ball this  time.  
>> 
>> 
>> 1981 40-2
>> David F. Risch
>> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish

[Rich Knowles]

Now I'm really hurt 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-02-01, at 17:50, dwight veinot  wrote:

Leave it to Rich for a twisted observation!!!  He can be comedic at times but 
we understand his ways, he’s a good guy trying to create humour and as we all 
know God loves laughter
 
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles
Sent: February 1, 2013 5:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish
 
Yeah, but what's he referring to...?

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-02-01, at 15:41, Robert Abbott  wrote:

Dwight says mine looks pretty but he doesn't take his shoes off when he goes 
down below.

Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2013/02/01 3:21 PM, dwight veinot wrote:
> Make it too pretty and you and everyone else will have to take their shoes 
> off to enter
>  
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Burton
> Sent: February 1, 2013 3:15 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin sole refinish
>  
> Weren't there some here who really liked polyurethane for floorboards? I'd 
> love to see some pics and get some input. I have mine sealed and am trying to 
> decide whether to go that route or stick with varnish, which is what I know, 
> but will take many coats to fill the grain and get the finish I want. 
> By the way, I am a big fan of gloss finish on the floorboards. Yes they are 
> more slippery than non-skid or unfinished boards, but I'm not considering 
> those options... and it's not like our boats have acres of cabin sole on 
> which to achieve a decent velocity. And gloss sure is pretty!
> cheers
> Andy
> C&C 40 
> Peregrine
> 
>  
 
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Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous...

[David Risch]

Thank you Edd but...ugh...be careful what you wish for;

2013-New Bedford, MA
2014 - Portsmouth, NH
2015 - Way-far-away, ME
2016 - Where the hell is that, NS

You will need those booster thingys that the Starship had just to get there and 
back.

But if you insist...



David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


From: e...@schillay.com
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:23:11 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous...

Also, speaking on behalf of everyone, we thought David and John did such an 
amazing job of organizing the 2012 event that we should happily volunteer them 
to organize similar events on an annual basis, usque ad mortem.
All the best,
Edd

Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B   
City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website




On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:David,
Would LOVE to do it again, though not sure about carrying any balls :)
Some suggestions for 2013:
1. Earlier in the season (it was a little chilly at night)  
2. Maybe a little closer West? (We did travel the farthest by boat, but 
Mystic was phenomenal)  3. A place with floating slips? 
As nice as it was meeting and taking to Rob Ball, the best part about 
the 2012 event was getting the fleet together and meeting the whole group. 
If there's any interest in coming to Western LIS, I'm sure I can 
arrange for catering space, moorings, etc. at my club. 
All the best,
Edd

Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B   
City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website




On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:07 PM, David Risch  wrote:Hi all you 
North-easterners.  As John Read and I organized the 2012 Rendezvous, I was 
wondering what the interest was of having it again and who wants to step up and 
carry the ball this  time.  


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[Graham Collins]

I pulled mine, used them as templates. Where the underside has an angled 
cut I used a 45 degree angled bit in the router.  2 full sheets.


On mine the sole doesn't run under the settee, the only piece that may 
be pinned in place was a small piece that is around the mast step base.


Tip - rough cut the new pieces to size, screw the old pieces onto the 
new using the original screw holes (which establishes where the screw 
holes need to be) and trim to size using a trimming bit with bearing in 
the router.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2013-02-01 9:28 AM, chef2s...@aol.com wrote:
I am thinking of pulling up the sole and redoing.  I have already 
searched out the flooring and want to begin the process of removing 
the present sole in its pieces so they can be used to "template" the 
cuts for the new sole. On Haleakula they are screwed down in most 
spots by casual observation.
Has anyone done this project? How far under the port settee does the 
sole run? What tricks/ tips could you give me before I start this?

Dave
S/V Haleakula
C&C MKIII # 76


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Re: Stus-List Seatalk

[Brent Driedger]

I have found that on one particular tack the 1000 tends to be a little sketchy 
with its ability to stay on course as its compass goes whacky. It's almost like 
the units gimbal gets jammed up or something. As a result the course computer 
decides to make a change based on false compass readings. This is corrected as 
soon as I physically disengage the unit thus changing its angle relative to the 
heel of the boat. 
I've played with the northern Southern Hemisphere settings to no avail. 
I've eliminated VHF and other interference from the list so I thought plugging 
it into a remote compass would help out.
I'm also going to try reversing the unit and mount it to the port side. There's 
less metal there. Currently it's mounted above the propane locker and my be 
getting some interference from the 6 dozen empty beer cans in there near the 
end of season.
Generally it's very reliable but I did an experiment last fall where I let it 
work on its own for 3 straight hours. It gradually steered the boat to a more 
northerly course. 
Normally the auto pilot is only called upon for 10 minutes at a time for sail 
changes etc. so the long range performance is not a big deal but it would be 
nice to have it working to design.

Brent

Sent from my iPod

On 2013-02-01, at 4:07 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Brent, out of curiosity, what characteristic of the ST 1000's behavior are 
> you attempting to change?  The 1000's compass is generally quite adequate for 
> course maintenance. 
> 
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo. LF38
> Halifax
> 
> On 2013-01-31, at 22:53, Brent Driedger  wrote:
> 
> I have an ST1000 tiller pilot that I am fairly happy with. I just got an ST40 
> compass and I understand that if the pilot sees another flux gate compass in 
> the network it will ignore its own built in unit and use the other. I like 
> that idea as I can mount the compass in a less lively place and clear of 
> interferences. My question is what additional wiring do I need and what would 
> the wiring layout be to interface the pilot to my ST40 compass and ST40 
> bidata display? 
> The instructions don't discuss the remote fluxgate method.
> 
> Brent Driedger
> C&C 27-5
> s/v Wild Rover
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 2013-01-29, at 7:46 PM, Chuck S  wrote:
> 
>> Boy, I wanna be like you when I grow up.  You da Man!
>> 
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Atlantic City, NJ
>> From: "Dennis C." 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:29:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating
>> 
>> Well, I'm still out in Colorado skiing.  My ski buddies and I have been 
>> "sampling" hot drinks late in the afternoon at some of the on slope bars.  
>> (The last run of the day is always "fun".)
>> 
>> Mostly they involve coffee or hot chocolate with combinations of Bailey's, 
>> Frangelica, Amaretto, Kahlua, Jamison's.  Haven't decided on a favorite yet. 
>>  I encourage listers to experiment and report back.  :)  The 
>> 
>> Nutty Irishman is high on the list:
>> 
>> 1 ounce Irish cream liqueur
>> 1 ounce Frangelico
>> 1 ounce Kahlua
>> 5 ounces hot coffee
>> Whipped cream, for garnish
>> Green sanding sugar, for garnish (optional)
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> From: Chuck S 
>> To: cnc-list CNC boat owners  
>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 4:29 PM
>> Subject: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating
>> 
>> New topic;  Best Hot Drinks for Boating
>> Hot chocolate is nice, but what are some good "adult" drinks to warm up the 
>> offwatch crew, or celebrate at the dock?
>> 
>> Is there a frostbiter's special?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Atlantic City, NJ
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Seatalk

[dwight veinot]

If you haven't done this, try cleaning the ends of the compass wires and
reattaching them to the controller.

 

No problem taking the fluxgate compass apart to have a look, I have done
that but there's not much to see or work on and I doubt anything is sticking
but it's relatively easy to have a look inside

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brent
Driedger
Sent: February 1, 2013 10:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Seatalk

 

I have found that on one particular tack the 1000 tends to be a little
sketchy with its ability to stay on course as its compass goes whacky. It's
almost like the units gimbal gets jammed up or something. As a result the
course computer decides to make a change based on false compass readings.
This is corrected as soon as I physically disengage the unit thus changing
its angle relative to the heel of the boat. 

I've played with the northern Southern Hemisphere settings to no avail. 

I've eliminated VHF and other interference from the list so I thought
plugging it into a remote compass would help out.

I'm also going to try reversing the unit and mount it to the port side.
There's less metal there. Currently it's mounted above the propane locker
and my be getting some interference from the 6 dozen empty beer cans in
there near the end of season.

Generally it's very reliable but I did an experiment last fall where I let
it work on its own for 3 straight hours. It gradually steered the boat to a
more northerly course. 

Normally the auto pilot is only called upon for 10 minutes at a time for
sail changes etc. so the long range performance is not a big deal but it
would be nice to have it working to design.

 

Brent

Sent from my iPod


On 2013-02-01, at 4:07 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

Brent, out of curiosity, what characteristic of the ST 1000's behavior are
you attempting to change?  The 1000's compass is generally quite adequate
for course maintenance. 

Rich Knowles

Indigo. LF38

Halifax


On 2013-01-31, at 22:53, Brent Driedger  wrote:

I have an ST1000 tiller pilot that I am fairly happy with. I just got an
ST40 compass and I understand that if the pilot sees another flux gate
compass in the network it will ignore its own built in unit and use the
other. I like that idea as I can mount the compass in a less lively place
and clear of interferences. My question is what additional wiring do I need
and what would the wiring layout be to interface the pilot to my ST40
compass and ST40 bidata display? 

The instructions don't discuss the remote fluxgate method.

Brent Driedger

C&C 27-5

s/v Wild Rover


Sent from my iPod


On 2013-01-29, at 7:46 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

Boy, I wanna be like you when I grow up.  You da Man!

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ


  _  


From: "Dennis C." 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:29:05 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating

Well, I'm still out in Colorado skiing.  My ski buddies and I have been
"sampling" hot drinks late in the afternoon at some of the on slope bars.
(The last run of the day is always "fun".)

 

Mostly they involve coffee or hot chocolate with combinations of Bailey's,
Frangelica, Amaretto, Kahlua, Jamison's.  Haven't decided on a favorite yet.
I encourage listers to experiment and report back.  :)  The 

 

Nutty Irishman is high on the list:

 

*  1 ounce Irish cream liqueur

*  1 ounce Frangelico

*  1 ounce Kahlua

*  5 ounces hot coffee

*  Whipped cream, for garnish

*  Green sanding sugar, for garnish (optional)

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 


  _  


From: Chuck S 
To: cnc-list CNC boat owners  
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 4:29 PM
Subject: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating

 

New topic;  Best Hot Drinks for Boating
Hot chocolate is nice, but what are some good "adult" drinks to warm up the
offwatch crew, or celebrate at the dock?

Is there a frostbiter's special?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ


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Re: Stus-List Seatalk

[Brent Driedger]

I would but on the ST1000 opening it up breaks the factory seal for water 
proofing. Not something i want to do to a deck mounted unit. The first unit I 
received had a malfunctioning compass and knowing I was sending it back, I took 
it apart to see how it worked. The compass inside is pretty cool and floats 
around on a nifty little gimbal. I'm hoping that plugging it into the St40 
compass and mounting the fluxgate down low in the cabin I can reduce the 
movement to it from the choppy wave action of my lake.

Sent from my iPod

On 2013-02-01, at 6:10 PM, dwight veinot  wrote:

> If you haven’t done this, try cleaning the ends of the compass wires and 
> reattaching them to the controller.
>  
> No problem taking the fluxgate compass apart to have a look, I have done that 
> but there’s not much to see or work on and I doubt anything is sticking but 
> it’s relatively easy to have a look inside
>  
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brent 
> Driedger
> Sent: February 1, 2013 10:29 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Seatalk
>  
> I have found that on one particular tack the 1000 tends to be a little 
> sketchy with its ability to stay on course as its compass goes whacky. It's 
> almost like the units gimbal gets jammed up or something. As a result the 
> course computer decides to make a change based on false compass readings. 
> This is corrected as soon as I physically disengage the unit thus changing 
> its angle relative to the heel of the boat. 
> I've played with the northern Southern Hemisphere settings to no avail. 
> I've eliminated VHF and other interference from the list so I thought 
> plugging it into a remote compass would help out.
> I'm also going to try reversing the unit and mount it to the port side. 
> There's less metal there. Currently it's mounted above the propane locker and 
> my be getting some interference from the 6 dozen empty beer cans in there 
> near the end of season.
> Generally it's very reliable but I did an experiment last fall where I let it 
> work on its own for 3 straight hours. It gradually steered the boat to a more 
> northerly course. 
> Normally the auto pilot is only called upon for 10 minutes at a time for sail 
> changes etc. so the long range performance is not a big deal but it would be 
> nice to have it working to design.
>  
> Brent
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 2013-02-01, at 4:07 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:
> 
>> Brent, out of curiosity, what characteristic of the ST 1000's behavior are 
>> you attempting to change?  The 1000's compass is generally quite adequate 
>> for course maintenance. 
>> 
>> Rich Knowles
>> Indigo. LF38
>> Halifax
>> 
>> On 2013-01-31, at 22:53, Brent Driedger  wrote:
>> 
>> I have an ST1000 tiller pilot that I am fairly happy with. I just got an 
>> ST40 compass and I understand that if the pilot sees another flux gate 
>> compass in the network it will ignore its own built in unit and use the 
>> other. I like that idea as I can mount the compass in a less lively place 
>> and clear of interferences. My question is what additional wiring do I need 
>> and what would the wiring layout be to interface the pilot to my ST40 
>> compass and ST40 bidata display? 
>> The instructions don't discuss the remote fluxgate method.
>> 
>> Brent Driedger
>> C&C 27-5
>> s/v Wild Rover
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>> On 2013-01-29, at 7:46 PM, Chuck S  wrote:
>> 
>>> Boy, I wanna be like you when I grow up.  You da Man!
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> Resolute
>>> 1990 C&C 34R
>>> Atlantic City, NJ
>>> From: "Dennis C." 
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:29:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating
>>> 
>>> Well, I'm still out in Colorado skiing.  My ski buddies and I have been 
>>> "sampling" hot drinks late in the afternoon at some of the on slope bars.  
>>> (The last run of the day is always "fun".)
>>>  
>>> Mostly they involve coffee or hot chocolate with combinations of Bailey's, 
>>> Frangelica, Amaretto, Kahlua, Jamison's.  Haven't decided on a favorite 
>>> yet.  I encourage listers to experiment and report back.  :)  The 
>>>  
>>> Nutty Irishman is high on the list:
>>>  
>>> ·  1 ounce Irish cream liqueur
>>> ·  1 ounce Frangelico
>>> ·  1 ounce Kahlua
>>> ·  5 ounces hot coffee
>>> ·  Whipped cream, for garnish
>>> ·  Green sanding sugar, for garnish (optional)
>>>  
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>>  
>>> From: Chuck S 
>>> To: cnc-list CNC boat owners  
>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 4:29 PM
>>> Subject: Stus-List New Topic: Hot Drinks for boating
>>>  
>>> New topic;  Best Hot Drinks for Boating
>>> Hot chocolate is nice, but what are some good "adult" drinks to warm up the 
>>> offwatch crew, or celebrate at the dock?
>>> 
>>> Is there a frostbiter's special?
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> Resolute
>>> 1990 C&C 34R
>>> Atlantic City, NJ

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[Rick Bushie]

This is why I like the hard plastic sole in Anchovy. I replaced the little 
bilge coverwith new 1/4" marine ply coated with epoxy and 15 coats of 
varathane. Now I  just sweep the pan and scrub with soap and water once a 
season.

Rick Bushie
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Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous...

[Russ & Melody]

I concur Edd.

With the talent and experience John & David have to offer, they are 
the choice of many.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
lower east side, Vancouver Island


At 02:23 PM 01/02/2013, you wrote:
Also, speaking on behalf of everyone, we thought David and John did 
such an amazing job of organizing the 2012 event that we should 
happily volunteer them to organize similar events on an annual 
basis, usque ad mortem.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website







On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Edd Schillay 
<e...@schillay.com> wrote:



David,

Would LOVE to do it again, though not sure about carrying any balls :)

Some suggestions for 2013:

1. Earlier in the season (it was a little chilly at night)
2. Maybe a little closer West? (We did travel the farthest by boat, 
but Mystic was phenomenal)

3. A place with floating slips?

As nice as it was meeting and taking to Rob Ball, the best part 
about the 2012 event was getting the fleet together and meeting the 
whole group.


If there's any interest in coming to Western LIS, I'm sure I can 
arrange for catering space, moorings, etc. at my club.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website







On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:07 PM, David Risch 
<davidrisc...@msn.com> wrote:


Hi all you North-easterners.  As John Read and I organized the 
2012 Rendezvous, I was wondering what the interest was of having 
it again and who wants to step up and carry the ball this  time.



1981 40-2
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Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous...

[John and Maryann Read]

Two bits from the other organizer:

1)  It was a lot of fun to meet everyone and swap some tall tales - well
worth the effort

2)  To organize any event takes a few dedicated souls to step forward
and a reasonable amount of effort and time

3)  Dave and I did our bit - now it is your turn!!

 

John

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David
Risch
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 5:07 PM
To: CNC CNC
Subject: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous...

 

Hi all you North-easterners.  As John Read and I organized the 2012
Rendezvous, I was wondering what the interest was of having it again and who
wants to step up and carry the ball this  time.  


1981 40-2
David F. Risch
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Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous

[Robert Gallagher]

I would like to second the nomination of Dave Risch and John Read to do all
the work again this year.  If at ain't broke, don't fix it.
All in favor say AYE!

I will volunteer to take care of getting the dock bar sorted and make sure
we have plenty of mixers and ice to get things started.  Again, if it ain't
broke...

I also pledge a keg of fine ale if we get at least 16 boats to show up
again.

My suggestions:
Date:
Fri. Sept 13th thru Sunday Sept 15

I'm gonna throw out suggestions for a spot:
1. Great Salt Pond, Block Island, RI.  I am reasonably sure that the boat
basin will give us a group discount on slips as after Labor Day it slows to
a crawl on Block Isl.  Plus, the mooring field is pretty empty so anyone
who wanted a mooring could stay right in front of The Oar.  The food and
drinks at The Oar are very reasonable and very good.  There are BBQ grills
and tables at the end of the dock for public use.  We could have a pot luck
BBQ one day?

2.  Milford Landing, Milford, CT.  Milford Landing is the town dock in
Milford.  They have 40 transient slips that are a short walk from a vibrant
little town.  They have an off season rate ($2.25ft/floating docks I think)
 No shortage of bars, restaurants and the like.  Farther down the sound for
the "Westerners" but not out of reach for some of us coming from back East.

If I could pick a spot it would be Block Island, but I know that for some
it's a galaxy far, far away... ooops that was Star Wars reference :(

Did I mention the keg of fine ale?
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Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous

[Edd Schillay]

Oy!! That's Yom Kippur. 

(Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock were Jewish too, ya know.)


All the best,

Edd

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On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Robert Gallagher  wrote:

I would like to second the nomination of Dave Risch and John Read to do all the 
work again this year.  If at ain't broke, don't fix it.
All in favor say AYE!

I will volunteer to take care of getting the dock bar sorted and make sure we 
have plenty of mixers and ice to get things started.  Again, if it ain't 
broke...

I also pledge a keg of fine ale if we get at least 16 boats to show up again.

My suggestions:
Date:
Fri. Sept 13th thru Sunday Sept 15

I'm gonna throw out suggestions for a spot:
1. Great Salt Pond, Block Island, RI.  I am reasonably sure that the boat basin 
will give us a group discount on slips as after Labor Day it slows to a crawl 
on Block Isl.  Plus, the mooring field is pretty empty so anyone who wanted a 
mooring could stay right in front of The Oar.  The food and drinks at The Oar 
are very reasonable and very good.  There are BBQ grills and tables at the end 
of the dock for public use.  We could have a pot luck BBQ one day?

2.  Milford Landing, Milford, CT.  Milford Landing is the town dock in Milford. 
 They have 40 transient slips that are a short walk from a vibrant little town. 
 They have an off season rate ($2.25ft/floating docks I think)  No shortage of 
bars, restaurants and the like.  Farther down the sound for the "Westerners" 
but not out of reach for some of us coming from back East.

If I could pick a spot it would be Block Island, but I know that for some it's 
a galaxy far, far away... ooops that was Star Wars reference :(

Did I mention the keg of fine ale?

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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 Bimini

[Harry]

Andy,

Ditto Thurston.  Steve Thurston just made a new Quantum jib for me…excellent 
service and pricing.

 

Harry

 

 

 

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djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:18 PM
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I would try Thurston Canvass in Bristol, RI and Harding sails over in Marion.  

 

Danny

Lolita

1973 Viking 33

Westport Point, MA



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Subject: Stus-List C&C 40 Bimini
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:27:19 -0500

I need to put a bimini top on my boat for this summer. Has anyone info on where 
to go for a canvas company in New England that's made one for a C&C 40? 

Andy

C&C 40
Peregrine

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Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone� +401 965 5260

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Stus-List Mirage Primer

[Harry]

Hi-build primer applied today.except to the monster blister!

 

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Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous

[Richard N. Bush]

I'll chip in here on behalf of those who will not be able to come by boat; my 
family I and I attended the rendezvous as thoroughly enjoyed meeting everyone, 
seeing the C&Cs, the tours and the talk by Rob Ball was extraordinary; (I 
actually came back home and began looking at my boat with new eyes!);We had 
to drive two days each way to get there and I consider it worth the time and 
effort. I appreciate the efforts of Dave and John
and I know its a big job to organize an event of this nature; (I chaired the 
Lukemia Cup Regatta in our area for over 15 years) I believe they have earned a 
pass if they wish.  


I would like to make it at a location which is readily accessible for we land 
travelers... that might encourage a larger group to make the trek...


I will volunteer to do any sort of administrative type work which could be done 
via emails and computers, but I am limited by location; however this job really 
need a person who is familiar with the eastern seacoast; someone who knows his 
way around a bridge deck, and someone with a good mix of energy and humor 
hmm, lets see, who would that besomeone who could boldly go where no one 
has gone before...  ?


Richard
1987 33-II


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 
Louisville, Kentucky 40202 
502-584-7255



-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 10:27 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous


Oy!! That's Yom Kippur. 

(Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock were Jewish too, ya know.)


All the best,

Edd

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914.332.1671  | Fax
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---
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On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Robert Gallagher  wrote:

I would like to second the nomination of Dave Risch and John Read to do all the 
work again this year.  If at ain't broke, don't fix it.
All in favor say AYE!

I will volunteer to take care of getting the dock bar sorted and make sure we 
have plenty of mixers and ice to get things started.  Again, if it ain't 
broke...

I also pledge a keg of fine ale if we get at least 16 boats to show up again.

My suggestions:
Date:
Fri. Sept 13th thru Sunday Sept 15

I'm gonna throw out suggestions for a spot:
1. Great Salt Pond, Block Island, RI.  I am reasonably sure that the boat basin 
will give us a group discount on slips as after Labor Day it slows to a crawl 
on 
Block Isl.  Plus, the mooring field is pretty empty so anyone who wanted a 
mooring could stay right in front of The Oar.  The food and drinks at The Oar 
are very reasonable and very good.  There are BBQ grills and tables at the end 
of the dock for public use.  We could have a pot luck BBQ one day?

2.  Milford Landing, Milford, CT.  Milford Landing is the town dock in Milford. 
 
They have 40 transient slips that are a short walk from a vibrant little town.  
They have an off season rate ($2.25ft/floating docks I think)  No shortage of 
bars, restaurants and the like.  Farther down the sound for the "Westerners" 
but 
not out of reach for some of us coming from back East.

If I could pick a spot it would be Block Island, but I know that for some it's 
a 
galaxy far, far away... ooops that was Star Wars reference :(

Did I mention the keg of fine ale?

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Stus-List Non-Slippery Epifanes

[Bill McNamara]

Last season we heat stripped the cabin sole of our '78 34' and re-did it with 
Epifanes.
7 coats of clear gloss, thinned 25%, then 3 coats Satin Epifanes, also thinned, 
to kill the gloss and slip hazards.
Once the prep work is done, the multiple coats EASILY build protection and fill 
grain nicely.
 Light hand sanding and tack rag between coats, Scotch-Bright and tack between 
Satin coats.
 VERY happy with the performance and appearance.

Bill McNamara
Miss Conduct
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Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous

[Jim Watts]

I'll second that motion. You guys have some catching up to do.
http://members.shaw.ca/cncrdv/



On 1 February 2013 20:35, Richard N. Bush  wrote:

> I'll chip in here on behalf of those who will not be able to come by boat;
> my family I and I attended the rendezvous as thoroughly enjoyed meeting
> everyone, seeing the C&Cs, the tours and the talk by Rob Ball was
> extraordinary; (I actually came back home and began looking at my boat with
> new eyes!);We had to drive two days each way to get there and I
> consider it worth the time and effort. I appreciate the efforts of Dave and
> John
> and I know its a big job to organize an event of this nature; (I chaired
> the Lukemia Cup Regatta in our area for over 15 years) I believe they have
> earned a pass if they wish.
>
> I would like to make it at a location which is readily accessible for we
> land travelers... that might encourage a larger group to make the trek...
>
> I will volunteer to do any sort of administrative type work which could be
> done via emails and computers, but I am limited by location; however this
> job really need a person who is familiar with the eastern seacoast; someone
> who knows his way around a bridge deck, and someone with a good mix of
> energy and humor hmm, lets see, who would that besomeone who could
> boldly go where no one has gone before...  ?
>  Richard
> 1987 33-II
>
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor
> Louisville, Kentucky 40202
> 502-584-7255
>   -Original Message-
> From: Edd Schillay 
> To: cnc-list 
> Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 10:27 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous
>
>  Oy!! That's Yom Kippur.
>
> (Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock were Jewish too, ya know.)
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> NCC-1701-B
> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
> ---914.332.4400  | Office914.332.1671  | 
> Fax914.774.9767  | Mobile
> ---
> Sent via iPhone 5
>
> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Robert Gallagher  wrote:
>
> I would like to second the nomination of Dave Risch and John Read to do all 
> the
> work again this year.  If at ain't broke, don't fix it.
> All in favor say AYE!
>
> I will volunteer to take care of getting the dock bar sorted and make sure we
> have plenty of mixers and ice to get things started.  Again, if it ain't
> broke...
>
> I also pledge a keg of fine ale if we get at least 16 boats to show up again.
>
> My suggestions:
> Date:
> Fri. Sept 13th thru Sunday Sept 15
>
> I'm gonna throw out suggestions for a spot:
> 1. Great Salt Pond, Block Island, RI.  I am reasonably sure that the boat 
> basin
> will give us a group discount on slips as after Labor Day it slows to a crawl 
> on
> Block Isl.  Plus, the mooring field is pretty empty so anyone who wanted a
> mooring could stay right in front of The Oar.  The food and drinks at The Oar
> are very reasonable and very good.  There are BBQ grills and tables at the end
> of the dock for public use.  We could have a pot luck BBQ one day?
>
> 2.  Milford Landing, Milford, CT.  Milford Landing is the town dock in 
> Milford.
> They have 40 transient slips that are a short walk from a vibrant little town.
> They have an off season rate ($2.25ft/floating docks I think)  No shortage of
> bars, restaurants and the like.  Farther down the sound for the "Westerners" 
> but
> not out of reach for some of us coming from back East.
>
> If I could pick a spot it would be Block Island, but I know that for some 
> it's a
> galaxy far, far away... ooops that was Star Wars reference :(
>
> Did I mention the keg of fine ale?
>
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Re: Stus-List Non-Slippery Epifanes

[Rich Knowles]

I guess this proves once more that there are as many ways to finish cabin soles 
as there are boat owners. Maybe I'll try ceramic tile next time around. Cool on 
the feet and I can work in some nice patterns. Good ballast too. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-02-02, at 1:02, Bill McNamara  wrote:

Last season we heat stripped the cabin sole of our '78 34' and re-did it with 
Epifanes.
7 coats of clear gloss, thinned 25%, then 3 coats Satin Epifanes, also thinned, 
to kill the gloss and slip hazards.
Once the prep work is done, the multiple coats EASILY build protection and fill 
grain nicely.
 Light hand sanding and tack rag between coats, Scotch-Bright and tack between 
Satin coats.
 VERY happy with the performance and appearance.
 
Bill McNamara
Miss Conduct
Picton On.
 
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