Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

[David Coudron]

Hi Sam,

I am not an expert on it, but we have been having pretty good luck with 
LibreNMS alerts.   We did have some custom alerts set up as well by a 
consultant, who did an excellent job.   I can provide his contact info if you 
are interested.   In addition to the normal up/down alerting, we have custom 
alerts set up for utilization on Cambium APs, and for utilization on backhaul 
links.   The backhaul links were particularly challenging as we have to do math 
on a number of OIDs to come up with the utilization number, store it, and then 
alert on it.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
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Subject: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

Is there anyone out there that could point me in the right direction to get 
alerting set up correctly? I have tried a few times to get AP's to alert me 
when they fail, but Libre seems to have some random ways to determine whether a 
device is up or down.

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Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

[dave]

Sam,
Most of that is done in the rules for what you want to detect as up or 
down ICMP or SNMP
Mine sends me texts and does a weekly report on performance I select to 
report on.

Love it :)
Dave


On 10/20/20 3:31 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Is there anyone out there that could point me in the right direction 
to get alerting set up correctly? I have tried a few times to get AP's 
to alert me when they fail, but Libre seems to have some random ways 
to determine whether a device is up or down.


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Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

[Steven Kenney]

Easiest way is to create custom groups and then alert based on those custom 
groups. Then further, event within those groups and devices. 

Create a group that looks for something with a specific type of OS AND other 
recognizable criteria. 

For example a very simple one I made for cambium backhauls we have just using 
this rule. You can trigger a specific alert based off that group. 

devices.hardware = "PTP 450 Slave" OR devices.hardware = "PTP 450 Master" OR 
devices.hardware = "PTP 650 Slave" OR devices.hardware = "PTP 650 Master" OR 
devices.hardware = "ePTP Slave" OR devices.hardware = "ePTP Master" 




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From: "dave"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:58:23 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network. 

Sam, 
Most of that is done in the rules for what you want to detect as up or down 
ICMP or SNMP 
Mine sends me texts and does a weekly report on performance I select to report 
on. 
Love it :) 
Dave 


On 10/20/20 3:31 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: 



Is there anyone out there that could point me in the right direction to get 
alerting set up correctly? I have tried a few times to get AP's to alert me 
when they fail, but Libre seems to have some random ways to determine whether a 
device is up or down. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

[Steven Kenney]

Also we like to monitor frame utilization on the cambiums. However since Libre 
(and Cambium far as I know) have not supported individual utilization per beam 
on the Medusas I take them out. 

Here is an alert for that. 

wireless_sensors.sensor_descr REGEXP "Downlink" AND 
wireless_sensors.sensor_class = "utilization" AND 
wireless_sensors.sensor_current > 90 AND devices.sysName NOT LIKE '%medusa%' 

This will tell us any AP that has frame utilization over 90% over the course of 
a certain period of time before it triggers. 

A basic notification if an AP loses sync and has none or is generating its own 

sensors.sensor_current = 2 AND sensors.sensor_type = 
"WHISP-APS-MIB::whispGPSStats" AND sensors.sensor_prev = 1 


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From: "dave"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:58:23 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network. 

Sam, 
Most of that is done in the rules for what you want to detect as up or down 
ICMP or SNMP 
Mine sends me texts and does a weekly report on performance I select to report 
on. 
Love it :) 
Dave 


On 10/20/20 3:31 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: 



Is there anyone out there that could point me in the right direction to get 
alerting set up correctly? I have tried a few times to get AP's to alert me 
when they fail, but Libre seems to have some random ways to determine whether a 
device is up or down. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT... potato soap and enchiladas

[Chuck McCown]

Hannibal Lecter would disagree.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Spanish is a strange language.  Sopa is edible, pie is not.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:00 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT... potato soap and enchiladas
>  
> did you cuss? is that why the soap?
>  
> but really, its fall, the only thing good about fall is potato soup
>  
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 9:23 PM Jaime Solorza  
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Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

[Steven Kenney]

storage.storage_descr NOT LIKE '%/boot%' AND storage.storage_perc_warn > 75 AND 
devices.type = "Server" AND storage.storage_descr NOT LIKE '%/swap%' AND 
devices.os NOT LIKE '%Powercode BMU%' AND devices.os NOT LIKE '%Procera 
Networks%' AND storage.storage_descr NOT LIKE '%/rom%' AND devices.hardware NOT 
LIKE '%PMP%' AND devices.hardware NOT LIKE '%ePMP%' 

^^ Example there is a way of warning about disk space that takes into account 
devices that should not be taken into account, like swap etc. You could specify 
linux servers only and or other hardware too. Depends how you want to go about 
it. Ruling out or specifying individual types. 


This one here lets me know if one of our guys changes channels on a device. 

wireless_sensors.sensor_class = "frequency" AND wireless_sensors.sensor_current 
!= wireless_sensors.sensor_prev 

Its extremely flexible. Basically anything SNMP based can be monitored and 
alerted if you know the OID and how to group and specify them. 

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From: "Sam Lambie"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 4:31:31 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network. 

Is there anyone out there that could point me in the right direction to get 
alerting set up correctly? I have tried a few times to get AP's to alert me 
when they fail, but Libre seems to have some random ways to determine whether a 
device is up or down. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT... potato soap and enchiladas

[Jaime Solorza]

Lol. .soup..my bad..it was spicy and the Mennonite made queso blanco was
awesome..

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 9:02 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> did you cuss? is that why the soap?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

[dave]

I use something very similar for that on our Cloud servers


On 10/21/20 8:34 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
/storage.storage_descr NOT LIKE '%/boot%' AND 
storage.storage_perc_warn > 75 AND devices.type = "Server" AND 
storage.storage_descr NOT LIKE '%/swap%' AND devices.os NOT LIKE 
'%Powercode BMU%' AND devices.os NOT LIKE '%Procera Networks%' AND 
storage.storage_descr NOT LIKE '%/rom%' AND devices.hardware NOT LIKE 
'%PMP%' AND devices.hardware NOT LIKE '%ePMP%'/

/
/
^^ Example there is a way of warning about disk space that takes into 
account devices that should not be taken into account, like swap etc.  
You could specify linux servers only and or other hardware too.  
 Depends how you want to go about it.  Ruling out or specifying 
individual types.



This one here lets me know if one of our guys changes channels on a 
device.


/wireless_sensors.sensor_class = "frequency" AND 
wireless_sensors.sensor_current != wireless_sensors.sensor_prev/

/
/
Its extremely flexible.  Basically anything SNMP based can be 
monitored and alerted if you know the OID and how to group and specify 
them.


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*Subject: *[AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core 
network.


Is there anyone out there that could point me in the right direction 
to get alerting set up correctly? I have tried a few times to get AP's 
to alert me when they fail, but Libre seems to have some random ways 
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Craig Schmaderer]

Late to this thread, but we have almost 1,000 844e and 200 804 mesh,   Chuck, 
we install the 803g and charge $10 for the 844e managed wifi solution and 
include a free 804 mesh if we think they need it.  Our take rate on the managed 
wifi is above 80% and it looks like about 20% get a 804.



From: AF  on behalf of Ryan Ray 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Cambium routers before these and what a shit show that was.



On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Were you providing different routers before, or customers were providing their 
own routers?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now. Maybe less so 
for operators that buy a years worth in advance which I think is how Calix 
prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is not their style.

The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and API, plus the 
setup of the cloud and on boarding for your techs and support people.

If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably negotiate that 
number down.

The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type infrastructure. Our 
support calls went way down when we started getting these routers in.




On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hey guys,

I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no 
equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a while 
now.

Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.

Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was about $ 
15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team” required.

Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is kinda 
“a thing”

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019. What 
are you looking to know?


On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?

If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie 
Highway
Vero Beach, FL 
32962
772-564-6800 x110

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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[chuck]

Good to know.  Thanks.  I think we will follow suit from this point forward.  

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 10:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Late to this thread, but we have almost 1,000 844e and 200 804 mesh,   Chuck, 
we install the 803g and charge $10 for the 844e managed wifi solution and 
include a free 804 mesh if we think they need it.  Our take rate on the managed 
wifi is above 80% and it looks like about 20% get a 804.

 

 

 

From: AF  on behalf of Ryan Ray 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

 

Cambium routers before these and what a shit show that was. 

 

 

 

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Were you providing different routers before, or customers were providing 
their own routers?

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:00 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

   

  Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now. Maybe less so 
for operators that buy a years worth in advance which I think is how Calix 
prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is not their style. 

   

  The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and API, plus the 
setup of the cloud and on boarding for your techs and support people. 

   

  If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably negotiate that 
number down.

   

  The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type infrastructure. 
Our support calls went way down when we started getting these routers in. 

   

   

   

   

  On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall  wrote:

Hey guys,

 

I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no 
equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a while 
now.

 

Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.

 

Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was 
about $ 15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team” required.

 

Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is 
kinda “a thing”

 

Paul

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

 

We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019. 
What are you looking to know?

 

 

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

  Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?

   

  If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!

   

  Thanks!

   

  Paul McCall, President 

  Florida Broadband / PDMNet

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800 x110

   

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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Sam Lambie]

Craig, do you charge for the router as well as the monthly?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 10:03 AM Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> Late to this thread, but we have almost 1,000 844e and 200 804 mesh,
> Chuck, we install the 803g and charge $10 for the 844e managed wifi
> solution and include a free 804 mesh if we think they need it.  Our take
> rate on the managed wifi is above 80% and it looks like about 20% get a 804.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Ryan Ray <
> ryan...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Calix users
>
>
>
> Cambium routers before these and what a shit show that was.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Were you providing different routers before, or customers were providing
> their own routers?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 4:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix users
>
>
>
> Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now. Maybe less
> so for operators that buy a years worth in advance which I think is how
> Calix prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is not their style.
>
>
>
> The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and API, plus the
> setup of the cloud and on boarding for your techs and support people.
>
>
>
> If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably negotiate
> that number down.
>
>
>
> The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type
> infrastructure. Our support calls went way down when we started getting
> these routers in.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
>
>
> I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no
> equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a
> while now.
>
>
>
> Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.
>
>
>
> Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was
> about $ 15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team”
> required.
>
>
>
> Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is
> kinda “a thing”
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2020 3:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix users
>
>
>
> We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019.
> What are you looking to know?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?
>
>
>
> If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway
> *
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962
> *
>
> *772-564-6800 x110*
>
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[AFMUG] RJ11 to Heaphone Adapter

[Matt]

For the Cambium SMs anyone know of a source for RJ11 to 2.5mm headphone jack?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] RJ11 to Heaphone Adapter

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Best-Tronics still sells them: 
https://btpa.com/Cambium-Products/OEM-Replacement-Parts/BT-0674.html

Matt

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Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] RJ11 to Heaphone Adapter

For the Cambium SMs anyone know of a source for RJ11 to 2.5mm headphone jack?

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Re: [AFMUG] RJ11 to Heaphone Adapter

[Sam Lambie]

I make my own.
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/how-to-make-your-own-alignment-tool-adapter/28587
Buy the parts off Amazon.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:03 AM Matt  wrote:

> For the Cambium SMs anyone know of a source for RJ11 to 2.5mm headphone
> jack?
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ11 to Heaphone Adapter

[Ken Hohhof]

Awhile back, Streakwave still had some of the Cambium ones in stock but
quantity now shows zero.  Just as well because we always threw away the
headphones we just wanted the adapter cable.  They were made for
Motorola/Cambium by Best-Tronics and they still have them on their website,
so maybe try there.

https://btpa.com/Cambium-Products/OEM-Replacement-Parts/BT-0674.html

Keep in mind you don't need the adapter cable for 450b SMs.


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For the Cambium SMs anyone know of a source for RJ11 to 2.5mm headphone
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Craig Schmaderer]

No, we eat the cost, we also do not charge a setup fee.   We retain ownership 
of the router and mesh, if they cancel we get them back.   Moving to these 
routers has been one of the best things we did.   It is so easy for my staff to 
help with in house wifi issues now, and we never seem to get the my router is 
locked up call.Most all the issues are poor signal on firesticks behind the 
tv on the other side of the house.

From: AF  on behalf of Sam Lambie 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Craig, do you charge for the router as well as the monthly?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 10:03 AM Craig Schmaderer 
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Late to this thread, but we have almost 1,000 844e and 200 804 mesh,   Chuck, 
we install the 803g and charge $10 for the 844e managed wifi solution and 
include a free 804 mesh if we think they need it.  Our take rate on the managed 
wifi is above 80% and it looks like about 20% get a 804.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Ryan Ray mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Cambium routers before these and what a shit show that was.



On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Were you providing different routers before, or customers were providing their 
own routers?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now. Maybe less so 
for operators that buy a years worth in advance which I think is how Calix 
prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is not their style.

The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and API, plus the 
setup of the cloud and on boarding for your techs and support people.

If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably negotiate that 
number down.

The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type infrastructure. Our 
support calls went way down when we started getting these routers in.




On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hey guys,

I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no 
equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a while 
now.

Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.

Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was about $ 
15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team” required.

Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is kinda 
“a thing”

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019. What 
are you looking to know?


On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?

If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie 
Highway
Vero Beach, FL 
32962
772-564-6800 x110

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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Ken Hohhof]

I assume you don’t send them a mesh unit to put behind the TV.  Do you tell 
them to put the Firestick on an extender cable?  Or to buy an actual FireTV or 
maybe something good like a Roku?

 

I’m getting tired of the Firesticks.  Lots of customers have 3-5 devices with 
hostnames amazon-xxx which I assume are Firesticks but I guess they could 
be other Amazon stuff like Echos.  But I’m starting to see 2-3 of them in 
houses consuming a constant 5 Mbps each 24x7.  I can’t believe that even during 
the pandemic, people are watching multiple TVs around the clock, so there must 
be some situation where these things are just streaming stuff even if nobody is 
watching.  They get their power from a separate USB cable so I don’t think they 
shut down just because the TV is off.  Maybe if you use them with a live TV 
streaming service they just stream constantly?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 12:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

 

No, we eat the cost, we also do not charge a setup fee.   We retain ownership 
of the router and mesh, if they cancel we get them back.   Moving to these 
routers has been one of the best things we did.   It is so easy for my staff to 
help with in house wifi issues now, and we never seem to get the my router is 
locked up call.Most all the issues are poor signal on firesticks behind the 
tv on the other side of the house.  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

 

Craig, do you charge for the router as well as the monthly? 

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 10:03 AM Craig Schmaderer mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com> > wrote:

Late to this thread, but we have almost 1,000 844e and 200 804 mesh,   Chuck, 
we install the 803g and charge $10 for the 844e managed wifi solution and 
include a free 804 mesh if we think they need it.  Our take rate on the managed 
wifi is above 80% and it looks like about 20% get a 804.

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Ryan Ray mailto:ryan...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

 

Cambium routers before these and what a shit show that was. 

 

 

 

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Were you providing different routers before, or customers were providing their 
own routers?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

 

Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now. Maybe less so 
for operators that buy a years worth in advance which I think is how Calix 
prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is not their style. 

 

The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and API, plus the 
setup of the cloud and on boarding for your techs and support people. 

 

If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably negotiate that 
number down.

 

The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type infrastructure. Our 
support calls went way down when we started getting these routers in. 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Hey guys,

 

I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no 
equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a while 
now.

 

Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.

 

Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was about $ 
15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team” required.

 

Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is kinda 
“a thing”

 

Paul

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

 

We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019. What 
are you looking to know?

 

 

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?

 

If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!

 

Thanks!

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway 

 

Vero Beach, FL 32962 

Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Craig Schmaderer]

My installers have 6 foot hdmi extender cables and we try that first.  That 
will usually fix the issue, if not we will look into if they need a 804 mesh 
anyways, last resort, probably 20% of the time we convince them to try a Roku 
or FireTv.   Firesticks and Hulu TV are by far our biggest issues.   Hulu just 
seems like it has more buffering or lockup app issues than other streaming 
apps.   YoutubeTV we never have issues along with Netflix.Constant 
streaming issue I don’t normally see that often.  I do think I have a few 
customers though that just constantly have a TV streaming no matter what.

From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 1:14 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

I assume you don’t send them a mesh unit to put behind the TV.  Do you tell 
them to put the Firestick on an extender cable?  Or to buy an actual FireTV or 
maybe something good like a Roku?

I’m getting tired of the Firesticks.  Lots of customers have 3-5 devices with 
hostnames amazon-xxx which I assume are Firesticks but I guess they could 
be other Amazon stuff like Echos.  But I’m starting to see 2-3 of them in 
houses consuming a constant 5 Mbps each 24x7.  I can’t believe that even during 
the pandemic, people are watching multiple TVs around the clock, so there must 
be some situation where these things are just streaming stuff even if nobody is 
watching.  They get their power from a separate USB cable so I don’t think they 
shut down just because the TV is off.  Maybe if you use them with a live TV 
streaming service they just stream constantly?


From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 12:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

No, we eat the cost, we also do not charge a setup fee.   We retain ownership 
of the router and mesh, if they cancel we get them back.   Moving to these 
routers has been one of the best things we did.   It is so easy for my staff to 
help with in house wifi issues now, and we never seem to get the my router is 
locked up call.Most all the issues are poor signal on firesticks behind the 
tv on the other side of the house.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Craig, do you charge for the router as well as the monthly?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 10:03 AM Craig Schmaderer 
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Late to this thread, but we have almost 1,000 844e and 200 804 mesh,   Chuck, 
we install the 803g and charge $10 for the 844e managed wifi solution and 
include a free 804 mesh if we think they need it.  Our take rate on the managed 
wifi is above 80% and it looks like about 20% get a 804.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Ryan Ray mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Cambium routers before these and what a shit show that was.



On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Were you providing different routers before, or customers were providing their 
own routers?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now. Maybe less so 
for operators that buy a years worth in advance which I think is how Calix 
prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is not their style.

The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and API, plus the 
setup of the cloud and on boarding for your techs and support people.

If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably negotiate that 
number down.

The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type infrastructure. Our 
support calls went way down when we started getting these routers in.




On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hey guys,

I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no 
equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a while 
now.

Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.

Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was about $ 
15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team” required.

Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is kinda 
“a thing”

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, October 16, 202

Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Adam Moffett]

If they're not powered by the TV I wonder if someone turns off a TV and 
leaves a series going on the streaming device constantly going to the 
next episode.


I mean I don't really wonder.  I know /someone /does that.  I guess 
I wonder how prevalent that is.



On 10/21/2020 2:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I assume you don’t send them a mesh unit to put behind the TV.  Do you 
tell them to put the Firestick on an extender cable?  Or to buy an 
actual FireTV or maybe something good like a Roku?


I’m getting tired of the Firesticks.  Lots of customers have 3-5 
devices with hostnames amazon-xxx which I assume are Firesticks 
but I guess they could be other Amazon stuff like Echos.  But I’m 
starting to see 2-3 of them in houses consuming a constant 5 Mbps each 
24x7.  I can’t believe that even during the pandemic, people are 
watching multiple TVs around the clock, so there must be some 
situation where these things are just streaming stuff even if nobody 
is watching.  They get their power from a separate USB cable so I 
don’t think they shut down just because the TV is off.  Maybe if you 
use them with a live TV streaming service they just stream constantly?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Craig Schmaderer
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2020 12:54 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

No, we eat the cost, we also do not charge a setup fee.   We retain 
ownership of the router and mesh, if they cancel we get them back.   
Moving to these routers has been one of the best things we did.   It 
is so easy for my staff to help with in house wifi issues now, and we 
never seem to get the my router is locked up call.    Most all the 
issues are poor signal on firesticks behind the tv on the other side 
of the house.


*From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
on behalf of Sam Lambie >
*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Date: *Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 11:47 AM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Craig, do you charge for the router as well as the monthly?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 10:03 AM Craig Schmaderer 
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:


Late to this thread, but we have almost 1,000 844e and 200 804
mesh,   Chuck, we install the 803g and charge $10 for the 844e
managed wifi solution and include a free 804 mesh if we think they
need it.  Our take rate on the managed wifi is above 80% and it
looks like about 20% get a 804.

*From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Ryan Ray
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>>
*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Date: *Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Cambium routers before these and what a shit show that was.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Were you providing different routers before, or customers were
providing their own routers?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
*Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 4:00 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now.
Maybe less so for operators that buy a years worth in advance
which I think is how Calix prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is
not their style.

The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and
API, plus the setup of the cloud and on boarding for your
techs and support people.

If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably
negotiate that number down.

The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type
infrastructure. Our support calls went way down when we
started getting these routers in.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

Hey guys,

I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting
told them have no equipment that they can sell us at this
time.  Been going on for quite a while now.

Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.

Have been through the presentation including where they
told us it was about $ 15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and
utilize their “success team” required.

Just trying to get going with them, but having access to
the equipment is kinda “a thing”

Paul

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
*Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2020 3:37 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:*

Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[chuck]

Netflix will eventually ask you if you are still watching.
Maybe Firesticks and Rokus need stingers...

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 1:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

If they're not powered by the TV I wonder if someone turns off a TV and leaves 
a series going on the streaming device constantly going to the next episode.  


I mean I don't really wonder.  I know someone does that.  I guess I wonder 
how prevalent that is.



On 10/21/2020 2:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
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[AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will not 
return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also have 
guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever showing up.  

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Adam Moffett]

I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics 
are wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.


..ether that or you have developed a reputation.


On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  
Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to 
us.  We also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired 
then not ever showing up.

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[can...@believewireless.net]

We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two
weeks!

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are
> wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.
>
> ..ether that or you have developed a reputation.
>
>
> On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will
> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also
> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
> showing up.
>
> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>
> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be
> making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

Years ago I worked for a company that hired a day labor guy who worked out 
really well so they offered him a full time job.  He turned it down when he 
found out he would only get paid every two weeks instead of daily.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 3:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two weeks!

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are 
wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.

..ether that or you have developed a reputation.

 

On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will not 
return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also have 
guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever showing up.  

 

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Mark Radabaugh]

Happens all the time.About 50% show up for the phone interview.About 
50% of those show up for the second interview.Some that go through the 
hiring process, do the background check and the drug screen and occasionally 
show up for work on the first day.Last one went through it all, worked one 
day and called in the next day.   Quit 2 days later.

Mark

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:21 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two weeks!
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are 
> wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.
> 
> ..ether that or you have developed a reputation.
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will 
>> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also 
>> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever 
>> showing up. 
>>  
>> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common. 
>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I have at least one of those a month.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Happens all the time.About 50% show up for the phone interview.About 
50% of those show up for the second interview.Some that go through the 
hiring process, do the background check and the drug screen and occasionally 
show up for work on the first day.Last one went through it all, worked one 
day and called in the next day.   Quit 2 days later. 

Mark



  On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:21 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

  We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two weeks!

  On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are 
wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.

..ether that or you have developed a reputation.



On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  
Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We 
also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever 
showing up.  

  No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.  

  On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[James Howard]

Talked to the owner of a golf course with restaurant/bar the other day.  He 
said that he's lucky if 2 in 10 show up for work after they accept the job.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I have at least one of those a month.

From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Happens all the time.About 50% show up for the phone interview.About 
50% of those show up for the second interview.Some that go through the 
hiring process, do the background check and the drug screen and occasionally 
show up for work on the first day.Last one went through it all, worked one 
day and called in the next day.   Quit 2 days later.

Mark


On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:21 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net 
mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:

We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two weeks!

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are 
wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.

..ether that or you have developed a reputation.


On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will not 
return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also have 
guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever showing up.

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set up,
no shows.

I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the
percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be
the number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual
job.  I have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at
least in the local area.

I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to insulating
the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and it's amazing
how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't find good
employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM  wrote:

> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will
> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also
> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
> showing up.
>
> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Matt Hoppes]

It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t talk. Just 
don’t show. 

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set up, 
> no shows.   
> 
> I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the 
> percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be the 
> number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual job.  I 
> have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at least in the 
> local area.
> 
> I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to insulating 
> the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and it's amazing 
> how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't find good 
> employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM  wrote:
>> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will 
>> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also 
>> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever 
>> showing up. 
>>  
>> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common. 
>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] arin

[Trey Scarborough]

Ive had to do this before It can be very simple as X company agrees to 
provide 1Gbs internet transit to Y company and have both parties sign 
it. I have also just got the person that was an Arin contact for the 
upstream to confirm the agreement by SWIPing a block of addresses to my 
org.


On 10/15/2020 12:15 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I haven't got one yet.  And since I am partnered with my upstream 
provider I would have to write the agreement.


-Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] arin

This isn’t something you write - this is a copy of an invoice or 
contract with one of your upstream providers showing you are in the US.


Mark


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I need:

(1) To verify that your organization has connectivity and is 
providing services within the ARIN region, please scan and attach a 
copy of your signed connectivity agreement or current bill with at 
least one of your Internet Service Providers. Please ensure the 
document(s) include the page that indicates the two parties, the page 
indicating a connection is being provisioned, and the signature pages 
of the contract. Everything else can be redacted. You do not have to 
share with us any terms, pricing, etc.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Tushar Patel]

Good to hear that we are not the only one having all these issues. I thought we 
must be doing something wrong the way we screen or who we select etc. 

Tushar


> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> Happens all the time.About 50% show up for the phone interview.About 
> 50% of those show up for the second interview.Some that go through the 
> hiring process, do the background check and the drug screen and occasionally 
> show up for work on the first day.Last one went through it all, worked 
> one day and called in the next day.   Quit 2 days later.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:21 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two weeks!
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are 
>>> wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.
>>> 
>>> ..ether that or you have developed a reputation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will 
 not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We 
 also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever 
 showing up. 
  
 No shows to scheduled interviews is very common. 
  
 On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be 
 making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
 
 
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[AFMUG] OT: Salsa ingredients

[Jaime Solorza]

Here you go..
Ingredients: Diced Tomatoes, Roasted Green Chile, Roasted Red Chile, Onion,
Salt, Garlic, and Lime Juice.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

That’s probably the best explanation.

 

Plus I guess a lot of the people out of work are hoping to get called back to 
their regular job (after all, we’re “turning the corner”).  Plus they may be 
able to work a gig job with more flexibility and maybe it pays almost as good 
as you’re offering.

 

If you take a gig job for Uber or delivering groceries or fast food, ghosting 
is easy, you just sign out of the app.  It used to be you took a job and looked 
at it as a 1 or 2 year commitment, or it would look bad on your resume.  Now in 
the gig economy, it’s a 5 minute commitment.

 

There’s also probably some depression going around.  Lots of 20 year olds see a 
dystopian future they blame on older generations and may be curled up in a 
fetal position thinking what’s the use.

 

Of course, you could always try paying more.  That won’t work if they really 
just don’t want to do the job. 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 6:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t talk. Just 
don’t show. 





On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:



I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set up, no 
shows.   

 

I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the 
percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be the 
number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual job.  I 
have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at least in the 
local area.

 

I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to insulating the 
remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and it's amazing how 
many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't find good employees 
and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will not 
return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also have 
guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever showing up.  

 

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

Or go back on unemployment because you requalified?

On 10/21/20 4:24 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t 
talk. Just don’t show.


On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:



I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews 
set up, no shows.


I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's 
the percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic 
would be the number of people actually interested in getting and 
holding an actual job. I have to assume that number is very close to 
zero right now, at least in the local area.


I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to 
insulating the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility 
and it's amazing how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some 
"I can't find good employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM > wrote:


Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no
show?  Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened
repeatedly to us.  We also have guys go through the whole process
of getting hired then not ever showing up.
No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Lewis Bergman]

Requalified...might be part of the issue. But getting hired and no show no
call in Texas is a reason to deny benefits. Maybe apart of the reason is
they can't do basic math skills. I have a very few low end positions. I get
some that say they can make more doing gig work. I tell them "You mean you
can gross more. I think you are confused about what you can keep from that
paycheck and the total amount".

I have yet to have one understand the statement.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:25 PM Robert  wrote:

> Or go back on unemployment because you requalified?
>
> On 10/21/20 4:24 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t talk.
> Just don’t show.
>
> On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>   wrote:
>
> 
> I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set
> up, no shows.
>
> I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the
> percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be
> the number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual
> job.  I have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at
> least in the local area.
>
> I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to
> insulating the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and
> it's amazing how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't
> find good employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM  wrote:
>
>> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?
>> Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We
>> also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
>> showing up.
>>
>> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[can...@believewireless.net]

We had a guy that would teach martial arts after work. He'd make $35/class
and sometimes only have a single
class a night. He'd give up a couple hours of overtime (regular pay
$22/hour) because he was making more
at his other job. He had it stuck in his head $35 > $22 when the reality
was it was $35 vs. $66. I think it took
months for that to sink in.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 8:34 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Requalified...might be part of the issue. But getting hired and no show no
> call in Texas is a reason to deny benefits. Maybe apart of the reason is
> they can't do basic math skills. I have a very few low end positions. I get
> some that say they can make more doing gig work. I tell them "You mean you
> can gross more. I think you are confused about what you can keep from that
> paycheck and the total amount".
>
> I have yet to have one understand the statement.
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:25 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> Or go back on unemployment because you requalified?
>>
>> On 10/21/20 4:24 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t talk.
>> Just don’t show.
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>   wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set
>> up, no shows.
>>
>> I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the
>> percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be
>> the number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual
>> job.  I have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at
>> least in the local area.
>>
>> I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to
>> insulating the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and
>> it's amazing how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't
>> find good employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?
>>> Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We
>>> also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
>>> showing up.
>>>
>>> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Salsa ingredients

[Jay Weekley]

Cilantro?

Jaime Solorza wrote:

Here you go..
Ingredients: Diced Tomatoes, Roasted Green Chile, Roasted Red Chile, 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Yum

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ve started making chicken tacos from this, you can heat it up in the pan 
directly out of the bag frozen:

https://www.tyson.com/products/grilled-chicken-frozen-breast-pulled/

 

At first I was making fajitas with it, which is good, but cooking the onions 
and bell peppers took time and was too much like work.  I’m not a good cook 
plus I’m lazy.  And if I didn’t open enough windows, the house smelled like 
fajitas for a week.

 

One time I tried poaching chicken breasts and then turning them into pulled 
chicken with 2 forks, based on some recipe.  Again, too much like work.

 

For ground beef tacos, I’ve found you can cook up the ground beef, drain off 
the fat, put it in a gallon ziplock bag and toss it in the freezer.  When it is 
just starting to freeze, take it out and massage the bag a little.  You end up 
with a bag of cooked ground beef that is the consistency of granola.  Easy to 
cook with, you can take out what you need and put the rest back in the freezer. 
 I also recently acquired a cheap digital kitchen scale, how I lived all these 
years without one I don’t know, I think it was like $20 on Amazon.

 

Stores sell stuff like meat on the assumption everybody has either 4 or 12 
people in their house.  If you are cooking for 2, it’s really easy to overeat 
or else have more leftovers than you can eat.  Ground beef comes in packages of 
1.3 pounds or “family packs”.  I should make half a package into cheeseburgers 
and cook up the rest to freeze for tacos.  But my son and I end up eating the 
whole package as burgers, and then wonder why we’re gaining weight.  I have 
come to love the little “slider” buns though.  You don’t have to put tiny 
burgers on them, they’re fine for quarter pounders.  Also good for BBQ beef 
sandwiches and fish sandwiches.  And nobody will every ask “where’s the beef?”

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Yum

 

Ground beef tacos with all the fixings .

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Salsa ingredients

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes...of course...

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 8:27 PM Jay Weekley  wrote:

> Cilantro?
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> Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Here you go..
> > Ingredients: Diced Tomatoes, Roasted Green Chile, Roasted Red Chile,
> > Onion, Salt, Garlic, and Lime Juice.
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