Re: [AFMUG] Two SiteMonitor unresponsive

[Josh Luthman]

Never had a problem in this auto mdi/x era.  I've always had link.  I don't
think I've ever had an eth link issue to a SiteMonitor...

Josh Luthman
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:28 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> i use an old dumb 5 port switch between pc and sitemonitor  to get to them
> for initial programming
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 2:50 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> I did disable the other interfaces.  Had 10 half link to my laptop.  Got
>> link light on a dumb switch.  I would still think it'd be 169.254.1.20/16
>> on new devices, which doesn't ping or arp.
>>
>> Turned off firewall and ran the program as admin.  Discover IP worked!  I
>> told it to factory reset, power cycled it, and now I can get in to it!
>> Thanks for the tip.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 2:12 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The reset process uses multicast.   The challenge with multicast is that
>>> Windows seems to be non-consistent about what interface it sends the
>>> multicast messages out on.  Sometimes it's all of them.  Sometimes it's at
>>> least the active ethernet.   But for some reason, a certain (high)
>>> percentage of devices will decide to send them on some random,
>>> not-even-in-use interface.  And there doesn't seem (in at least the tools
>>> we're using) any way to force it ou a given interface.
>>>
>>> So yes, disabling all the unused interfaces is useful.Also running
>>> the tool as administrator also sometimes helps.  Plus disabling the windows
>>> (or other) firewall.  Plus you'll find the odd switch/device which doesn't
>>> really do 10Mb/s anymore.  Those are probably the biggest causes.
>>>
>>> The Base 3/Rackinjector uses a different, probably just as annoying,
>>> method of resetting the units.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:12 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 I found that I had to use a PC with only one interface active to make
 the factory reset work. I don't know if it was me, or that he reset
 software needed a dedicated interface to work its process.


 bp
 


 On 7/8/2020 9:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 I have two units (ii "newer" ones) that I can't get to 169.254.1.20.
 Several laptops, several network cables, switches, etc later.

 They've been on the shelf for years unpowered.  Maybe both were DOA,
 but I feel like that's unlikely.

 I tried to factory reset one with the software @
 https://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=13 but that didn't work.
 That never has worked for me, I don't think.

 Does anyone have any ideas before I just buy a couple more?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
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Re: [AFMUG] Contact for Calix

[Josh Luthman]

I called my rep, Mike, who will get you taken care of if you haven't been
already.

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On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:31 PM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Anybody have a reliable inside contact for Calix (pre-sales tech).  We
> really want to look at their product, have left several web inquiries ,
> emailed a couple folks we found on the web over the past couple months and
> …. Crickets.
>
>
>
> Are they still doing business?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
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> *772-564-6800*
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[AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/grant-imahara-dead-mythbusters-host-w
as-49-1303101

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

[David Coudron]

Sad to see this.   When the kids were little, we used to watch hours and hours 
of MythBusters.   We still talk about certain episodes.   Too bad.

Regards,

David Coudron
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Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Chuck McCown]

Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen anyone do 
it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding is not going 
to improve safety from that aspect.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of generator 
> and/or other reasons while splicing? 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> It is double walled, with mineral blankets. 
>> But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in residential 
>> neighborhoods during night cuts. 
>> Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice trailer 
>> once we work out the kinks.
>>  
>> Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet. 
>>  
>> From: castarritt .
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>  
>> Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some sort of 
>> anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer layers?
>>  
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB 
>>> reduction does far.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

[Nate Burke]

Nothing better than some of those early episodes where they had to 
figure out how to do things with no budget.




On 7/14/2020 9:12 AM, David Coudron wrote:


Sad to see this.   When the kids were little, we used to watch hours 
and hours of MythBusters.   We still talk about certain episodes.   
Too bad.


Regards,

David Coudron

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*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/grant-imahara-dead-mythbusters-host-was-49-1303101





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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Josh Luthman]

Doing 12vdc in ours.

We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air
conditioning.  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio
treats us OK.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen
> anyone do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding
> is not going to improve safety from that aspect.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of
> generator and/or other reasons while splicing?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> 
> It is double walled, with mineral blankets.
> But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in residential
> neighborhoods during night cuts.
> Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice trailer
> once we work out the kinks.
>
> Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.
>
> *From:* castarritt .
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>
> Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some sort
> of anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer layers?
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB
>> reduction does far.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[chuck]

I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.  
Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.  
I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

Doing 12vdc in ours.

We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air conditioning.  
The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio treats us OK.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen anyone 
do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding is not 
going to improve safety from that aspect.


  Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:


Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of generator 
and/or other reasons while splicing? 


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.



  On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


   
  It is double walled, with mineral blankets.  
  But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in residential 
neighborhoods during night cuts.  
  Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice trailer 
once we work out the kinks.

  Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.  

  From: castarritt . 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

  Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some sort 
of anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer layers?

  On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB 
reduction does far.









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[AFMUG] roof ladder

[Lewis Bergman]

This is probably old news to you guys that still deal with roof climbing
all day long but it looked kind of neat.
https://www.amazon.com/Goat-Steep-Assist-Ladder-Compact/dp/B085PPDJHZ/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=the+goat+steep+assist+roof+ladder&qid=1594741644&sr=8-2


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Re: [AFMUG] roof ladder

[chuck]

I think I would want to use a pair of them.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] roof ladder

This is probably old news to you guys that still deal with roof climbing all 
day long but it looked kind of neat. 
https://www.amazon.com/Goat-Steep-Assist-Ladder-Compact/dp/B085PPDJHZ/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=the+goat+steep+assist+roof+ladder&qid=1594741644&sr=8-2
  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Josh Luthman]

I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up
without a generator.

The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is at
a loss.

Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:

> I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.
> Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.
> I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>
> Doing 12vdc in ours.
>
> We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air
> conditioning.  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio
> treats us OK.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen
>> anyone do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding
>> is not going to improve safety from that aspect.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of
>> generator and/or other reasons while splicing?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> 
>> It is double walled, with mineral blankets.
>> But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in residential
>> neighborhoods during night cuts.
>> Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice trailer
>> once we work out the kinks.
>>
>> Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.
>>
>> *From:* castarritt .
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>
>> Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some sort
>> of anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer layers?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB
>>> reduction does far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] roof ladder

[Ken Hohhof]

I have a set of the Acro chicken ladder sections.  I like them but I can’t get 
the techs to use them.  They are kind of heavy, probably the Goat ladder solves 
that, but it ain’t cheap.  I think the chicken ladder would be easier to work 
from in various sitting and standing positions, as well as to keep tools and 
parts from falling off the roof.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6HSLU8h0xk

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] roof ladder

 

I think I would want to use a pair of them.

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:48 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] roof ladder

 

This is probably old news to you guys that still deal with roof climbing all 
day long but it looked kind of neat. 

https://www.amazon.com/Goat-Steep-Assist-Ladder-Compact/dp/B085PPDJHZ/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1
 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Jon Langeler]

AC and Heat are pretty critical when it’s extreme outside. 0 degrees or 90 
degrees is not fun 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jul 14, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up 
> without a generator.
> 
> The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is at a 
> loss.
> 
> Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:
>> I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof. 
>> Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside. 
>> I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator. 
>>  
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>  
>> Doing 12vdc in ours.
>>  
>> We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air conditioning. 
>>  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio treats us OK.
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>  
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen anyone 
>>> do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding is not 
>>> going to improve safety from that aspect.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler  
 wrote:
 
 Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of 
 generator and/or other reasons while splicing? 
 
 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Technologies, Inc.
  
 
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> It is double walled, with mineral blankets. 
> But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in residential 
> neighborhoods during night cuts. 
> Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice trailer 
> once we work out the kinks.
>  
> Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet. 
>  
> From: castarritt .
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>  
> Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some sort 
> of anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer 
> layers?
>  
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB 
>> reduction does far.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[chuck]

You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.
Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you will want 
a generator.
You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights outside 
to see inside the handhole etc.
Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system you will 
want a generator.
Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while someone 
stays behind splicing etc etc etc...

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up 
without a generator. 

The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is at a 
loss.

Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:

  I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.  
  Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.  
  I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

  Doing 12vdc in ours.

  We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air conditioning.  
The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio treats us OK.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen anyone 
do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding is not 
going to improve safety from that aspect.


Sent from my iPhone


  On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler  
wrote:


  Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of 
generator and/or other reasons while splicing? 


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.



On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


 
It is double walled, with mineral blankets.  
But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in 
residential neighborhoods during night cuts.  
Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice 
trailer once we work out the kinks.

Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.  

From: castarritt . 
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some 
sort of anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer 
layers?

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[chuck]

I put a solar panel on my roof to keep my 12 batt topped up.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.
Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you will want 
a generator.
You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights outside 
to see inside the handhole etc.
Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system you will 
want a generator.
Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while someone 
stays behind splicing etc etc etc...

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up 
without a generator. 

The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is at a 
loss.

Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:

  I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.  
  Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.  
  I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

  Doing 12vdc in ours.

  We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air conditioning.  
The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio treats us OK.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen anyone 
do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding is not 
going to improve safety from that aspect.


Sent from my iPhone


  On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler  
wrote:


  Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of 
generator and/or other reasons while splicing? 


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.



On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


 
It is double walled, with mineral blankets.  
But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in 
residential neighborhoods during night cuts.  
Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice 
trailer once we work out the kinks.

Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.  

From: castarritt . 
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some 
sort of anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer 
layers?

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB 
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Re: [AFMUG] roof ladder

[Mathew Howard]

I wonder how OSHA feels about those...

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have a set of the Acro chicken ladder sections.  I like them but I can’t
> get the techs to use them.  They are kind of heavy, probably the Goat
> ladder solves that, but it ain’t cheap.  I think the chicken ladder would
> be easier to work from in various sitting and standing positions, as well
> as to keep tools and parts from falling off the roof.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6HSLU8h0xk
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
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>
> I think I would want to use a pair of them.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:48 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] roof ladder
>
>
>
> This is probably old news to you guys that still deal with roof climbing
> all day long but it looked kind of neat.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Goat-Steep-Assist-Ladder-Compact/dp/B085PPDJHZ/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=the+goat+steep+assist+roof+ladder&qid=1594741644&sr=8-2
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Josh Luthman]

No idea what it is in lux, but all three of us agree there is more than
enough light.  I've got the worst vision and can easily see the strands.

I should probably specify...we have an inverter for 110vac coming off that
battery.  Works for phones, splicer, otdr, etc.  Battery charges off the
truck with the extra pin on the trailer hook up.   Take off the trailer
plug and drop the trailer and the truck can go freely.  Limited to a
handful of hours off the battery.

All the work is in town right now so there are street lights, but we have a
Dewalt battery powered light stand that does very well (mostly used for
tenting).

I pushed for a generator but the guy doing the work said to take it back
*shrug*

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM  wrote:

> You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.
> Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you will
> want a generator.
> You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights
> outside to see inside the handhole etc.
> Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system you
> will want a generator.
> Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while
> someone stays behind splicing etc etc etc...
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>
> I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up
> without a generator.
>
> The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is
> at a loss.
>
> Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:
>
>> I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.
>> Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.
>> I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>
>> Doing 12vdc in ours.
>>
>> We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air
>> conditioning.  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio
>> treats us OK.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen
>>> anyone do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding
>>> is not going to improve safety from that aspect.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of
>>> generator and/or other reasons while splicing?
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> It is double walled, with mineral blankets.
>>> But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in
>>> residential neighborhoods during night cuts.
>>> Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice
>>> trailer once we work out the kinks.
>>>
>>> Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.
>>>
>>> *From:* castarritt .
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>>
>>> Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some
>>> sort of anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer
>>> layers?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB
 reduction does far.









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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

[Jaime Solorza]

RIP

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 8:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[chuck]

Aqua vs Blue, Pink vs red.  Some are hard to see.  But even if you can see 
them, after many hours eye strain sets in if the light level is too low.  

Lux meters are super cheap.  
https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Luxmeter-Illuminance-Display-0-1-50/dp/B00992B29I


You can estimate based on lumens and the pattern given off by the light.  
Lux = Lumens per square meter.  Just take the total lumens and divide that by 
the area of the floor, counter and walls and you will have a rough guess at 
lux.  

  Normal office work, PC work, study library, groceries, show rooms, 
laboratories, check-out areas, kitchens, auditoriums 500 
  Supermarkets, mechanical workshops, office landscapes 750 
  Normal drawing work, detailed mechanical workshops, operation theaters 
1000 
  Detailed drawing work, very detailed mechanical works, electronic 
workshops, testing and adjustments 1500 - 2000 
  Performance of visual tasks of low contrast  and very small size for 
prolonged periods of time 2000 - 5000 
  Performance of very prolonged and exacting visual tasks  5000 - 1 
  Performance of very special visual tasks of extremely low contrast and 
small size 1 - 2 







From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

No idea what it is in lux, but all three of us agree there is more than enough 
light.  I've got the worst vision and can easily see the strands.

I should probably specify...we have an inverter for 110vac coming off that 
battery.  Works for phones, splicer, otdr, etc.  Battery charges off the truck 
with the extra pin on the trailer hook up.   Take off the trailer plug and drop 
the trailer and the truck can go freely.  Limited to a handful of hours off the 
battery. 

All the work is in town right now so there are street lights, but we have a 
Dewalt battery powered light stand that does very well (mostly used for 
tenting).

I pushed for a generator but the guy doing the work said to take it back *shrug*


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM  wrote:

  You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.
  Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you will 
want a generator.
  You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights 
outside to see inside the handhole etc.
  Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system you 
will want a generator.
  Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while someone 
stays behind splicing etc etc etc...

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

  I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up 
without a generator. 

  The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is at a 
loss.

  Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:

I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.  
Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.  
I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

Doing 12vdc in ours.

We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air 
conditioning.  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio treats 
us OK.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen 
anyone do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding is 
not going to improve safety from that aspect.


  Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler  
wrote:


Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of 
generator and/or other reasons while splicing? 


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.



  On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


   
  It is double walled, with mineral blankets.  
  But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in 
residential neighborhoods during night cuts.  
  Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice 
trailer once we work out the kinks.

  Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.  

  From: castarritt . 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 

Re: [AFMUG] roof ladder

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We have used the chicken ladder as well. They are heavy; that is
  the biggest issue. However, I've been on one on a 12:12 roof, and
  it was solid, and I never felt like it would let go.


bp



On 7/14/2020 9:24 AM, Mathew Howard
  wrote:


  
  I wonder how OSHA feels about those...
  
  
  
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:10
  AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  

  I have a set of the Acro chicken
ladder sections.  I like them but I can’t get the techs
to use them.  They are kind of heavy, probably the Goat
ladder solves that, but it ain’t cheap.  I think the
chicken ladder would be easier to work from in various
sitting and standing positions, as well as to keep tools
and parts from falling off the roof.
   
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6HSLU8h0xk
   
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] roof ladder

  
   
  

  
I think I
would want to use a pair of them.
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  Lewis Bergman 


  Sent:
  Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:48 AM


  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


  Subject:
  [AFMUG] roof ladder

  


   

  
  

  This is
  probably old news to you guys that still deal
  with roof climbing all day long but it looked
  kind of neat. 
  
https://www.amazon.com/Goat-Steep-Assist-Ladder-Compact/dp/B085PPDJHZ/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=the+goat+steep+assist+roof+ladder&qid=1594741644&sr=8-2 

  

   

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Re: [AFMUG] roof ladder

[Ken Hohhof]

My guess is OSHA insists on fall protection no matter what kind of ladder you 
use.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] roof ladder

 

I wonder how OSHA feels about those...

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I have a set of the Acro chicken ladder sections.  I like them but I can’t get 
the techs to use them.  They are kind of heavy, probably the Goat ladder solves 
that, but it ain’t cheap.  I think the chicken ladder would be easier to work 
from in various sitting and standing positions, as well as to keep tools and 
parts from falling off the roof.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6HSLU8h0xk

 

 

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Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] roof ladder

 

I think I would want to use a pair of them.

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:48 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] roof ladder

 

This is probably old news to you guys that still deal with roof climbing all 
day long but it looked kind of neat. 

https://www.amazon.com/Goat-Steep-Assist-Ladder-Compact/dp/B085PPDJHZ/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1
 

 &keywords=the+goat+steep+assist+roof+ladder&qid=1594741644&sr=8-2  


 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Jon Langeler]

I sure hope it wasn’t due to cost of the generator. Needing something and 
having it while running fiber is like well, necessary. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jul 14, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> No idea what it is in lux, but all three of us agree there is more than 
> enough light.  I've got the worst vision and can easily see the strands.
> 
> I should probably specify...we have an inverter for 110vac coming off that 
> battery.  Works for phones, splicer, otdr, etc.  Battery charges off the 
> truck with the extra pin on the trailer hook up.   Take off the trailer plug 
> and drop the trailer and the truck can go freely.  Limited to a handful of 
> hours off the battery.
> 
> All the work is in town right now so there are street lights, but we have a 
> Dewalt battery powered light stand that does very well (mostly used for 
> tenting).
> 
> I pushed for a generator but the guy doing the work said to take it back 
> *shrug*
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM  wrote:
>> You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.
>> Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you will 
>> want a generator.
>> You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights 
>> outside to see inside the handhole etc.
>> Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system you 
>> will want a generator.
>> Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while 
>> someone stays behind splicing etc etc etc...
>>  
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>  
>> I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up 
>> without a generator.
>>  
>> The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is at 
>> a loss.
>> 
>> Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>  
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:
>>> I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof. 
>>> Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside. 
>>> I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator. 
>>>  
>>> From: Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>>  
>>> Doing 12vdc in ours.
>>>  
>>> We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air 
>>> conditioning.  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio 
>>> treats us OK.
>>>  
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
 Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen 
 anyone do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so 
 grounding is not going to improve safety from that aspect.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of 
> generator and/or other reasons while splicing? 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>  
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It is double walled, with mineral blankets. 
>> But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in 
>> residential neighborhoods during night cuts. 
>> Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice 
>> trailer once we work out the kinks.
>>  
>> Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet. 
>>  
>> From: castarritt .
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>  
>> Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some 
>> sort of anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and 
>> outer layers?
>>  
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB 
>>> reduction does far.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Robert]

a couple of those 100ah lithium iron PO batteries and a couple of 300 
watt panels and I would think that you would be good to go for 
everything but a big A/C unit.   I would use the tripod milwaukee led 
lights for outside lighting with a recharge station inside hooked up to 
power from the vehicle.   You can get some very bright led lights with 
less than 50 watt draw.   But of course two of those batteries is more 
expensive than a generator, just a lot quieter and less maintenance.


On 7/14/20 9:24 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I put a solar panel on my roof to keep my 12 batt topped up.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:17 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.
Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you 
will want a generator.
You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity 
lights outside to see inside the handhole etc.
Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system 
you will want a generator.
Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while 
someone stays behind splicing etc etc etc...

*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended 
up without a generator.
The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC 
is at a loss.


Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:

I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.
Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.
I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
Doing 12vdc in ours.
We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air
conditioning.  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though. 
Ohio treats us OK.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have
never seen anyone do it.  The generator is floating with
respect to earth so grounding is not going to improve safety
from that aspect.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler
 wrote:

Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for
reasons of generator and/or other reasons while splicing?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


It is double walled, with mineral blankets.
But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep
in residential neighborhoods during night cuts.
Work in progress. We will build another one for our other
splice trailer once we work out the kinks.
Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.
*From:* castarritt .
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled
with some sort of anti-vibration material or suspension
between the inner and outer layers?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown
 wrote:

And experimental noise control box for the generator.
Getting 10 dB reduction does far.









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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

[Jay Weekley]

If he had any last thoughts before he died I'm sure he didn't regret 
worrying more or being angry more.


Jaime Solorza wrote:

RIP

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[chuck]

I like to use heat guns to shrink tube.  Those take 1000 watts.  How big is the 
inverter?

From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

I sure hope it wasn’t due to cost of the generator. Needing something and 
having it while running fiber is like well, necessary. 


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.



  On Jul 14, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:


   
  No idea what it is in lux, but all three of us agree there is more than 
enough light.  I've got the worst vision and can easily see the strands.

  I should probably specify...we have an inverter for 110vac coming off that 
battery.  Works for phones, splicer, otdr, etc.  Battery charges off the truck 
with the extra pin on the trailer hook up.   Take off the trailer plug and drop 
the trailer and the truck can go freely.  Limited to a handful of hours off the 
battery. 

  All the work is in town right now so there are street lights, but we have a 
Dewalt battery powered light stand that does very well (mostly used for 
tenting).

  I pushed for a generator but the guy doing the work said to take it back 
*shrug*


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM  wrote:

You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.
Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you will 
want a generator.
You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights 
outside to see inside the handhole etc.
Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system you 
will want a generator.
Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while 
someone stays behind splicing etc etc etc...

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up 
without a generator. 

The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is at 
a loss.

Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:

  I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.  
  Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.  
  I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

  Doing 12vdc in ours.

  We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air 
conditioning.  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio treats 
us OK.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen 
anyone do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding is 
not going to improve safety from that aspect.


Sent from my iPhone


  On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler  
wrote:


  Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of 
generator and/or other reasons while splicing? 


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.



On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


 
It is double walled, with mineral blankets.  
But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in 
residential neighborhoods during night cuts.  
Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice 
trailer once we work out the kinks.

Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.  

From: castarritt . 
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with 
some sort of anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer 
layers?

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  
wrote:

  And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 
dB reduction does far.









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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I would think that a 1000 watt load would pretty much kill a 12V
  inverter (~~ 83 amps), and would also be significant for a 24V
  inverter (~~ 42 amps).  It's not until you get into bigger
  voltages that the power cables start to look reasonable.


bp



On 7/14/2020 10:39 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I like to use heat guns to shrink tube.  Those take 1000
watts.  How big is the inverter?
  

   
  
From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
  

 
  
  I sure
hope it wasn’t due to cost of the generator. Needing
something and having it while running fiber is like well,
necessary. 


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.
   


  On Jul 14, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Josh
Luthman  wrote:

  


  

  No idea what it is in lux, but all three of us
agree there is more than enough light.  I've got the
worst vision and can easily see the strands.
   
  I should probably specify...we have an inverter for
  110vac coming off that battery.  Works for phones,
  splicer, otdr, etc.  Battery charges off the truck
  with the extra pin on the trailer hook up.   Take off
  the trailer plug and drop the trailer and the truck
  can go freely.  Limited to a handful of hours off the
  battery.
   
  All the work is in town right now so there are
street lights, but we have a Dewalt battery powered
light stand that does very well (mostly used for
tenting).
   
  I pushed for a generator but the guy doing the
work said to take it back *shrug*

  

   
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  

 
  

 

  On Tue, Jul 14, 2020
at 12:18 PM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get
that with 12 volt lights.
  Your splicer and otdr will run down in
the middle of a splice and you will want a
generator.
  You will have night work and you will
need some higher intensity lights outside to
see inside the handhole etc.
  Unless you plan to have a vehicle running
to power your 12 volt system you will want a
generator.
  Sometimes you have to drop the trailer
and drive to get someone while someone stays
behind splicing etc etc etc...
  

   
  
From: Josh Luthman

Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020
  10:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
  splicing trailer
  

 
  
  
I pushed for a generator. 
  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended
  up without a generator.
   
  The lights were easier on 12vdc. 
Propane works so well for heat.  AC is

Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Josh Luthman]

Nope.  Bought it and it's just sitting in the office getting dusty.

Neither Harbor Freight nor Lowes models worked for the 110 lights - they
would blink.  Extra generators, I guess...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 1:24 PM Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> I sure hope it wasn’t due to cost of the generator. Needing something and
> having it while running fiber is like well, necessary.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
> No idea what it is in lux, but all three of us agree there is more than
> enough light.  I've got the worst vision and can easily see the strands.
>
> I should probably specify...we have an inverter for 110vac coming off that
> battery.  Works for phones, splicer, otdr, etc.  Battery charges off the
> truck with the extra pin on the trailer hook up.   Take off the trailer
> plug and drop the trailer and the truck can go freely.  Limited to a
> handful of hours off the battery.
>
> All the work is in town right now so there are street lights, but we have
> a Dewalt battery powered light stand that does very well (mostly used for
> tenting).
>
> I pushed for a generator but the guy doing the work said to take it back
> *shrug*
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM  wrote:
>
>> You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.
>> Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you
>> will want a generator.
>> You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights
>> outside to see inside the handhole etc.
>> Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system
>> you will want a generator.
>> Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while
>> someone stays behind splicing etc etc etc...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>
>> I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up
>> without a generator.
>>
>> The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is
>> at a loss.
>>
>> Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.
>>> Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.
>>> I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>>
>>> Doing 12vdc in ours.
>>>
>>> We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air
>>> conditioning.  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio
>>> treats us OK.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen
 anyone do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding
 is not going to improve safety from that aspect.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler 
 wrote:

 Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of
 generator and/or other reasons while splicing?

 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Technologies, Inc.


 On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 
 It is double walled, with mineral blankets.
 But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in
 residential neighborhoods during night cuts.
 Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice
 trailer once we work out the kinks.

 Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.

 *From:* castarritt .
 *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

 Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some
 sort of anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer
 layers?

 On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB
> reduction does far.
>
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>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Josh Luthman]

The colors kind of sucked on Superior Essex but everything else was
Commscope.  Very easy to see.  Except white fiber and white hairs...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:32 PM  wrote:

> Aqua vs Blue, Pink vs red.  Some are hard to see.  But even if you can see
> them, after many hours eye strain sets in if the light level is too low.
>
> Lux meters are super cheap.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Luxmeter-Illuminance-Display-0-1-50/dp/B00992B29I
>
>
> You can estimate based on lumens and the pattern given off by the light.
> Lux = Lumens per square meter.  Just take the total lumens and divide that
> by the area of the floor, counter and walls and you will have a rough guess
> at lux.
>
> Normal office work, PC work, study library, groceries, show rooms,
> laboratories, check-out areas, kitchens, auditoriums 500
> Supermarkets, mechanical workshops, office landscapes 750
> Normal drawing work, detailed mechanical workshops, operation theaters
> 1000
> Detailed drawing work, very detailed mechanical works, electronic
> workshops, testing and adjustments 1500 - 2000
> Performance of visual tasks of low contrast  and very small size for
> prolonged periods of time 2000 - 5000
> Performance of very prolonged and exacting visual tasks 5000 - 1
> Performance of very special visual tasks of extremely low contrast and
> small size 1 - 2
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:24 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>
> No idea what it is in lux, but all three of us agree there is more than
> enough light.  I've got the worst vision and can easily see the strands.
>
> I should probably specify...we have an inverter for 110vac coming off that
> battery.  Works for phones, splicer, otdr, etc.  Battery charges off the
> truck with the extra pin on the trailer hook up.   Take off the trailer
> plug and drop the trailer and the truck can go freely.  Limited to a
> handful of hours off the battery.
>
> All the work is in town right now so there are street lights, but we have
> a Dewalt battery powered light stand that does very well (mostly used for
> tenting).
>
> I pushed for a generator but the guy doing the work said to take it back
> *shrug*
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM  wrote:
>
>> You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.
>> Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you
>> will want a generator.
>> You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights
>> outside to see inside the handhole etc.
>> Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system
>> you will want a generator.
>> Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while
>> someone stays behind splicing etc etc etc...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>
>> I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up
>> without a generator.
>>
>> The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is
>> at a loss.
>>
>> Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.
>>> Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.
>>> I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>>>
>>> Doing 12vdc in ours.
>>>
>>> We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air
>>> conditioning.  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio
>>> treats us OK.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen
 anyone do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding
 is not going to improve safety from that aspect.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler 
 wrote:

 Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of
 generator and/or other reasons while splicing?

 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Technologies, Inc.


 On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 
 It is double walled, with mineral blankets.
 But nothing suspended.  Just tryin

Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Ken Hohhof]

Harbor Freight.  For when you only need to use a tool once.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

 

Nope.  Bought it and it's just sitting in the office getting dusty.

 

Neither Harbor Freight nor Lowes models worked for the 110 lights - they would 
blink.  Extra generators, I guess...


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 1:24 PM Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > wrote:

I sure hope it wasn’t due to cost of the generator. Needing something and 
having it while running fiber is like well, necessary. 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 





On Jul 14, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:



No idea what it is in lux, but all three of us agree there is more than enough 
light.  I've got the worst vision and can easily see the strands.

 

I should probably specify...we have an inverter for 110vac coming off that 
battery.  Works for phones, splicer, otdr, etc.  Battery charges off the truck 
with the extra pin on the trailer hook up.   Take off the trailer plug and drop 
the trailer and the truck can go freely.  Limited to a handful of hours off the 
battery. 

 

All the work is in town right now so there are street lights, but we have a 
Dewalt battery powered light stand that does very well (mostly used for 
tenting).

 

I pushed for a generator but the guy doing the work said to take it back *shrug*


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.

Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you will want 
a generator.

You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights outside 
to see inside the handhole etc.

Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system you will 
want a generator.

Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while someone 
stays behind splicing etc etc etc...

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

 

I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up 
without a generator. 

 

The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is at a 
loss.


Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.  

Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.  

I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

 

Doing 12vdc in ours.

 

We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air conditioning.  
The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio treats us OK.

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen anyone do 
it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding is not going 
to improve safety from that aspect.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > wrote:

Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of generator 
and/or other reasons while splicing? 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 





On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

It is double walled, with mineral blankets.  

But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in residential 
neighborhoods during night cuts.  

Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice trailer once 
we work out the kinks.

 

Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.  

 

From: castarritt . 

Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

 

Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some sort of 
anti-vibration material or suspension between the inner and outer layers?

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:01 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

And experimental noise control box for the generator.  Getting 10 dB reduction 
does far.









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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Josh Luthman]

Tried Lowes first.  All of the other generators we have are from there.

Went to Harbor Freight second - because I'm pretty sure they just steal
their designs from Honda.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 3:09 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Harbor Freight.  For when you only need to use a tool once.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:16 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>
>
>
> Nope.  Bought it and it's just sitting in the office getting dusty.
>
>
>
> Neither Harbor Freight nor Lowes models worked for the 110 lights - they
> would blink.  Extra generators, I guess...
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 1:24 PM Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> I sure hope it wasn’t due to cost of the generator. Needing something and
> having it while running fiber is like well, necessary.
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> No idea what it is in lux, but all three of us agree there is more than
> enough light.  I've got the worst vision and can easily see the strands.
>
>
>
> I should probably specify...we have an inverter for 110vac coming off that
> battery.  Works for phones, splicer, otdr, etc.  Battery charges off the
> truck with the extra pin on the trailer hook up.   Take off the trailer
> plug and drop the trailer and the truck can go freely.  Limited to a
> handful of hours off the battery.
>
>
>
> All the work is in town right now so there are street lights, but we have
> a Dewalt battery powered light stand that does very well (mostly used for
> tenting).
>
>
>
> I pushed for a generator but the guy doing the work said to take it back
> *shrug*
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM  wrote:
>
> You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.
>
> Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you will
> want a generator.
>
> You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights
> outside to see inside the handhole etc.
>
> Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system you
> will want a generator.
>
> Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while
> someone stays behind splicing etc etc etc...
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>
>
>
> I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up
> without a generator.
>
>
>
> The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is
> at a loss.
>
>
> Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM  wrote:
>
> I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.
>
> Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.
>
> I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>
>
>
> Doing 12vdc in ours.
>
>
>
> We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air
> conditioning.  The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio
> treats us OK.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen
> anyone do it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding
> is not going to improve safety from that aspect.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of
> generator and/or other reasons while splicing?
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> 
>
> It is double walled, with mineral blankets.
>
> But nothing suspended.  Just trying to not interrupt sleep in residential
> neighborhoods during night cuts.
>
> Work in progress.  We will build another one for our other splice trailer
> once we work out the kinks.
>
>
>
> Like to be 60 dB at 10 feet.
>
>
>
> *From:* castarritt .
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:04 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer
>
>
>
> Neat project.  Have you considered making it double walled with some s

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

As a Faultologist, I can confirm those mounts are faulty!

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
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Sorry our product caused the failure of your tower.  Of course we will replace 
the tower and all of the equipment on it...

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[James Howard]

But not the mounts!

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 4:55 PM
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Sorry our product caused the failure of your tower.  Of course we will replace 
the tower and all of the equipment on it...

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 3:38 PM
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[Bill Prince]

  
  
Those are too close to even figure out where you are. You need to
  backup 50 or 100 feet and get a context picture.


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[Mathew Howard]

looks to me like that's a grain log, which is on the ground and ought not
to be on the ground...


On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 5:03 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Those are too close to even figure out where you are. You need to backup
> 50 or 100 feet and get a context picture.
>
>
> bp
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

[Ken Hohhof]

I bought my last Honda generator from Home Depot because ship to store is so 
easy.  But there was a recall on it, and of course Home Depot doesn’t service 
them, so I took it to a nearby tool place that sells primarily to contractors, 
and they did the recall in about an hour while I waited.

 

So now I go there, even if the price is a little higher.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

 

Tried Lowes first.  All of the other generators we have are from there.

 

Went to Harbor Freight second - because I'm pretty sure they just steal their 
designs from Honda.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 3:09 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Harbor Freight.  For when you only need to use a tool once.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

 

Nope.  Bought it and it's just sitting in the office getting dusty.

 

Neither Harbor Freight nor Lowes models worked for the 110 lights - they would 
blink.  Extra generators, I guess...


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 1:24 PM Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > wrote:

I sure hope it wasn’t due to cost of the generator. Needing something and 
having it while running fiber is like well, necessary. 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 

 

On Jul 14, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:



No idea what it is in lux, but all three of us agree there is more than enough 
light.  I've got the worst vision and can easily see the strands.

 

I should probably specify...we have an inverter for 110vac coming off that 
battery.  Works for phones, splicer, otdr, etc.  Battery charges off the truck 
with the extra pin on the trailer hook up.   Take off the trailer plug and drop 
the trailer and the truck can go freely.  Limited to a handful of hours off the 
battery. 

 

All the work is in town right now so there are street lights, but we have a 
Dewalt battery powered light stand that does very well (mostly used for 
tenting).

 

I pushed for a generator but the guy doing the work said to take it back *shrug*


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

You need 500 lux to splice.  Hard to get that with 12 volt lights.

Your splicer and otdr will run down in the middle of a splice and you will want 
a generator.

You will have night work and you will need some higher intensity lights outside 
to see inside the handhole etc.

Unless you plan to have a vehicle running to power your 12 volt system you will 
want a generator.

Sometimes you have to drop the trailer and drive to get someone while someone 
stays behind splicing etc etc etc...

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:06 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

 

I pushed for a generator.  The techs resisted and ultimately we ended up 
without a generator. 

 

The lights were easier on 12vdc.  Propane works so well for heat.  AC is at a 
loss.


Why do you say we'll eventually want a generator?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:40 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I put a Coleman Mach 1 RV AC on the roof.  

Make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector inside.  

I think you will find that you will eventually want a generator.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:14 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

 

Doing 12vdc in ours.

 

We use propane for heat and haven't really figured out the air conditioning.  
The whole side opens up like a food truck, though.  Ohio treats us OK.

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Some have ground rods and wires but mine don’t and I have never seen anyone do 
it.  The generator is floating with respect to earth so grounding is not going 
to improve safety from that aspect.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > wrote:

Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of generator 
and/or other reasons while splicing? 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 

 

On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

[Ken Hohhof]

That doesn’t look like an intentional demolition.  Did it just fall over?  
Looks like it was kind of a POS leg.  I hope nobody was on it at the time.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

 

I'm just saying the leg wasn't on the ground when I put the mounts on, now the 
leg is on the ground.

 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 5:03 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Those are too close to even figure out where you are. You need to backup 50 or 
100 feet and get a context picture.

 

bp

 

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[James Howard]

Should have named that site “Little Moe with the Gimpy Leg”……

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:55 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

That doesn’t look like an intentional demolition.  Did it just fall over?  
Looks like it was kind of a POS leg.  I hope nobody was on it at the time.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

I'm just saying the leg wasn't on the ground when I put the mounts on, now the 
leg is on the ground.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 5:03 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Those are too close to even figure out where you are. You need to backup 50 or 
100 feet and get a context picture.



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[Steve Jones]

I blame chuck's mounts. Has nothing to do with them cutting 1 inch guy
wires, all chucks fault.
I actually did see an mtow in the middle of the pile that looks good I hope
to recover out of spite
Not going to lie, if I had tear ducts, I would maybe have had some gay
water coming from my eyes this weekend. Almost 15 years of finding
solutions, and getting there, wiped out by some wind. I'll find a solution,
it's what idiots like us do, but all that work wiped off the map kind of
sucks.. wife was pissed and made me come home cause of some shit 2 years
ago on this day where were went to a church and have each other some shiny
rocks that some prick hammered into a circle. I didnt even have time to get
her some flowers to die

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:59 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Should have named that site “Little Moe with the Gimpy Leg”……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:55 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back
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>
> That doesn’t look like an intentional demolition.  Did it just fall over?
> Looks like it was kind of a POS leg.  I hope nobody was on it at the time.
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> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:25 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back
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> I'm just saying the leg wasn't on the ground when I put the mounts on, now
> the leg is on the ground.
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> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 5:03 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
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> Those are too close to even figure out where you are. You need to backup
> 50 or 100 feet and get a context picture.
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> On 7/14/2020 2:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
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> Faulty faulty faulty
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

[Steve Jones]

Bad time for mythbusters between his death and the perv

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 12:37 PM Jay Weekley 
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> If he had any last thoughts before he died I'm sure he didn't regret
> worrying more or being angry more.
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