Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Coverage in Home

[Chuck McCown]

Me too 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:04 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> 
> 
> I use a Calix844e and E410's as well
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 4:59 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> We have a wired Mikrotik back at the hub, and a single Unify saucer that 
>> provides WiFi to almost all of the home (~~ 2800 sq ft). It is "not quite" 
>> centrally located, and screwed to the wall above the doorway in a utility 
>> room.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/11/2020 4:12 PM, Matt wrote:
>>> I always use MikroTik routers. I assume it is all noise etc but it seems 
>>> like I have an issue with getting throughput on my front porch etc. What is 
>>> everyone’s favorite router for home use? Using hap ac now. 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

[Bill Prince]

  
  
It's actually indeterminate until you read the label.
The limits for "bear spray" are lower. The content is set by law
  at between 1% and 2%.  (Bear spray)
The limits for "pepper spray" are wider. Depending on
  usage/brand/whatever it can range between 0.18% and 3%. (pepper spray)
So pepper spray can theoretically be more potent and less potent
  than bear spray. It sounds (to me) like bear spray is more tightly
  regulated. However, it is possible for pepper spray to be 50% more
  potent (while at the same time being possibly 1/10th the potency
  of bear spray.


bp



On 7/11/2020 7:31 PM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  Sounds stronger.  Rather have an air burst bear spray round for a
  handgun,
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Jul 11, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Adam
  Moffett  wrote:
  

  
  

  
  According to this,
bear spray is stronger.  Maybe they're both true.  I'm sure
more than one specific product falls under the heading of
"bear spray".'
  On 7/11/2020 8:21 PM, Bill Prince
wrote:
  
  

According to this,
  bear spray has a lower concentration ofoleoresin capsicum
  than pepper spray.


bp



On 7/11/2020 5:08 PM, Adam
  Moffett wrote:

Varies
  by state. 
  
  In NY it's the other way around.  You can carry pepper
  spray for self defense, but typical bear spray exceeds the
  legal limit on capsaicin concentration.  This was slightly
  amusing when the NY DEC advised campers and hikers to
  carry bear spray in the North Country.  Apparently the
  forest rangers and other state agents CAN carry bear
  spray, but someone at the DEC was unaware that the rest of
  us plebeians aren't allowed to have it. 
  
  
  
  On 7/10/2020 3:58 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 
  According to this, pepper spray is
illegal, but bear spray is not. That said, if you use it
as a weapon, you are probably going to be charged. 

https://cottagelife.com/outdoors/whats-the-difference-between-bear-spray-and-pepper-spray/


bp 
 

On 7/10/2020 12:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: 
Can you legally use that on
  people? 
  
  Bill Prince wrote: 
   
My wife is a big advocate of bear spray (Industrial
strength pepper spray). I do not know what the long
term risks are to exposure to this stuff, but the
nice thing is that it can shoot a fairly long
distance (up to 40') and you can correct for aim
while you're spraying. The one she has is Counter
Assault. 

https://www.amazon.com/Counter-Assault-CA-18H-SB-10-2-Ounce/dp/B001DQ76JI/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=bear+spray&qid=1594408467&sr=8-2



bp 
 

On 7/10/2020 11:39 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

If you have your fight or
  flight mechanism triggered, I don’t think you
  should lose your life just because you reacted out
  of fear. 
  But man, how do you write regulations around these
  things and how do you condition cops to not
  protect their own lives in certain situations too.
  
  They also get scared 
  Tough one.  Great Britain banned beat cops from
  carrying handguns years ago.  Not sure if that is
  still in effect. 
  A really effective less than lethal  would be
  great. Perhaps something that rends someone
  temporarily blind or confused or unconscious. 
  Maybe the right frequency of microwaves modulated
  at some kind of brain wave frequency could do it.
  
  Anyone want to volunteer for testing? 
  *From:* Bill Prince 
  *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 12:14 PM 
  *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be pol

[AFMUG] OT comet

[chuck]

Got up about 4 or so and saw the comet.  You can see it with the naked eye.  
Best one I think I have ever seen.  Halley's was no big deal.  Hale-Bopp was 
not great but was about the same as the current one.  

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[AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

[Ken Hohhof]

How many of your customers complain their Internet isn't fast enough?  And
of those, how many are on your highest speed tier?  None?

 

This convinces me the issue isn't speed, it's price.

 

It's like complaining the hamburgers at Wendy's are too small, when you
ordered this:

 

 

 

Instead of this:

 



 

Or this:

 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

[Lewis Bergman]

What part of the sky? What are they calling it?

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:45 AM  wrote:

> Got up about 4 or so and saw the comet.  You can see it with the naked
> eye.  Best one I think I have ever seen.  Halley's was no big deal.
> Hale-Bopp was not great but was about the same as the current one.
>
> Kohoutek was the first I saw but I had to use field glasses.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

[chuck]

NE low, tail pointing up.  
Neowise

It will be appearing in NW sky in the evenings right after sunset I think 
today.  
Probably tail pointing down.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

What part of the sky? What are they calling it?

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:45 AM  wrote:

  Got up about 4 or so and saw the comet.  You can see it with the naked eye.  
Best one I think I have ever seen.  Halley's was no big deal.  Hale-Bopp was 
not great but was about the same as the current one.  

  Kohoutek was the first I saw but I had to use field glasses.  
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Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
It's OK. Wendy's is not expected to survive the pandemic.


bp



On 7/12/2020 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
How many of your customers complain their
  Internet isn’t fast enough?  And of those, how many are on
  your highest speed tier?  None?
 
This convinces me the issue isn’t speed,
  it’s price.
 
It’s like complaining the hamburgers at
  Wendy’s are too small, when you ordered this:
 
 
 
Instead of this:
 

 
Or this:
 

  
  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Out here we expect to see it just below the big dipper after
  sunset starting tonight. I think it should be visible in the
  evening for another couple of weeks.

When Hally's came around in 1986, it was considered a "poor
  showing". It's not clear to me if this is because it is
  diminishing in general, or whether it just had bad geometry that
  time around. None of us will probably be alive to see it next
  time.
Hale-Bopp was great, we enjoyed watching it for at least a month
  or so.


bp



On 7/12/2020 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Got up about 4 or so and saw the comet.  You can see it
with the naked eye.  Best one I think I have ever seen. 
Halley's was no big deal.  Hale-Bopp was not great but was
about the same as the current one.  
   
  Kohoutek was the first I saw but I had to use field
glasses.  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

[Jaime Solorza]

What's 6000 years among friends?

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 10:50 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Out here we expect to see it just below the big dipper after sunset
> starting tonight. I think it should be visible in the evening for another
> couple of weeks.
>
> When Hally's came around in 1986, it was considered a "poor showing". It's
> not clear to me if this is because it is diminishing in general, or whether
> it just had bad geometry that time around. None of us will probably be
> alive to see it next time.
>
> Hale-Bopp was great, we enjoyed watching it for at least a month or so.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/12/2020 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Got up about 4 or so and saw the comet.  You can see it with the naked
> eye.  Best one I think I have ever seen.  Halley's was no big deal.
> Hale-Bopp was not great but was about the same as the current one.
>
> Kohoutek was the first I saw but I had to use field glasses.
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Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

[chuck]

Years ago I started a wisp that grew to over 6000 subs.  

Part way through I decided to send out a letter to all the subs on the lowest 
tier.  (The majority of them were on the lowest tier.)
I said something like: Dear customer,  we have decided to eliminate our economy 
plan.  We have few customers on that plan and we have decided to streamline our 
rates. 

I calculated that if we lost more than 200 customers by forcing them to change 
to a higher plan, it would have been a mistake to do this.  We lost about 40.  
And some of them came back.  



From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

It's OK. Wendy's is not expected to survive the pandemic.



bp


On 7/12/2020 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  How many of your customers complain their Internet isn’t fast enough?  And of 
those, how many are on your highest speed tier?  None?

   

  This convinces me the issue isn’t speed, it’s price.

   

  It’s like complaining the hamburgers at Wendy’s are too small, when you 
ordered this:

   

   

   

  Instead of this:

   



   

  Or this:

   




   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

[chuck]

I don’t have a clear memory of Hale-Bopp but I remember not being impressed.  
Seems like you really needed a telescope for a good view.  This one I could see 
without using anything.  It is not easy to see but you can spot it.  The tail 
is long enough that you can spot it pretty easy.  Very faint but noticeable.  

My grandparents told me of a Halley’s back in 1910 what was awesome.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

Out here we expect to see it just below the big dipper after sunset starting 
tonight. I think it should be visible in the evening for another couple of 
weeks.


When Hally's came around in 1986, it was considered a "poor showing". It's not 
clear to me if this is because it is diminishing in general, or whether it just 
had bad geometry that time around. None of us will probably be alive to see it 
next time.

Hale-Bopp was great, we enjoyed watching it for at least a month or so.



bp


On 7/12/2020 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Got up about 4 or so and saw the comet.  You can see it with the naked eye.  
Best one I think I have ever seen.  Halley's was no big deal.  Hale-Bopp was 
not great but was about the same as the current one.  

  Kohoutek was the first I saw but I had to use field glasses.  

   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

[chuck]

I would be over 100 if I got to see Hally’s again.  So, yeah, not gonna see it 
with these eyes.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

What's 6000 years among friends? 

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 10:50 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Out here we expect to see it just below the big dipper after sunset starting 
tonight. I think it should be visible in the evening for another couple of 
weeks.


  When Hally's came around in 1986, it was considered a "poor showing". It's 
not clear to me if this is because it is diminishing in general, or whether it 
just had bad geometry that time around. None of us will probably be alive to 
see it next time.

  Hale-Bopp was great, we enjoyed watching it for at least a month or so.



bp


On 7/12/2020 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Got up about 4 or so and saw the comet.  You can see it with the naked eye. 
 Best one I think I have ever seen.  Halley's was no big deal.  Hale-Bopp was 
not great but was about the same as the current one.  

Kohoutek was the first I saw but I had to use field glasses.  

 
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[AFMUG] OT: Eye antics

[Jaime Solorza]

Last November, I had cataract surgery for my left eye.   Vision was awesome
and no reading glasses. About a month ago I started seeing black and white
spots...after a few days, I called doctor...saw him Monday... inferior
lattice with a tear OS...caused by aging he figured.  I figured more  on my
boxing and kickboxing past probably contributed to itI started working
the heavy bag again last few months after many years of not using it.
Yesterday, I had laser treatment to repair the small holes in retina...
tomorrow, eye surgery to repair nearly detached retina...
Bummer part is repose will consist of one week facedownthat's part I am
dreading...
Might not be checking in for a few days, so No having fun without me!
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Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

[Ken Hohhof]

I predict anything with a drive thru window will survive.  I'd be a lot more
pessimistic about, for example, Subway.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

 

It's OK. Wendy's is not expected to survive the pandemic.

 

bp

 

On 7/12/2020 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

How many of your customers complain their Internet isn't fast enough?  And
of those, how many are on your highest speed tier?  None?

 

This convinces me the issue isn't speed, it's price.

 

It's like complaining the hamburgers at Wendy's are too small, when you
ordered this:

 



 

Instead of this:

 



 

Or this:

 







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Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

[Ken Hohhof]

I think some people expect to get a couple Great Dane puppies and their car
will magically grow along with the dogs.

 

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/74k6/honda-summer-clearance-event-great-danes

 


As I acquire tons of "smart" devices, and cancel my expensive satellite TV
to stream over the Internet, my ISP should just supersize my connection to
fit my new needs.  At the same price, of course.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

 

Years ago I started a wisp that grew to over 6000 subs.  

 

Part way through I decided to send out a letter to all the subs on the
lowest tier.  (The majority of them were on the lowest tier.)

I said something like: Dear customer,  we have decided to eliminate our
economy plan.  We have few customers on that plan and we have decided to
streamline our rates. 

 

I calculated that if we lost more than 200 customers by forcing them to
change to a higher plan, it would have been a mistake to do this.  We lost
about 40.  And some of them came back.  

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:46 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

 

It's OK. Wendy's is not expected to survive the pandemic.

 

bp

 

On 7/12/2020 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

How many of your customers complain their Internet isn't fast enough?  And
of those, how many are on your highest speed tier?  None?

 

This convinces me the issue isn't speed, it's price.

 

It's like complaining the hamburgers at Wendy's are too small, when you
ordered this:

 



 

Instead of this:

 



 

Or this:

 







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Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Out here, Hale-Bopp was huge. It covered half the sky as I
  recall. It wasn't particularly bright, but you surely didn't need
  a telescope or anything. Kohoutek was very difficult to see; even
  with binos or a scope. All I remember is it being this vague fuzz
  ball.


bp



On 7/12/2020 9:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I don’t have a clear memory of Hale-Bopp but I remember
not being impressed.  Seems like you really needed a
telescope for a good view.  This one I could see without
using anything.  It is not easy to see but you can spot it. 
The tail is long enough that you can spot it pretty easy. 
Very faint but noticeable.  
   
  My grandparents told me of a Halley’s back in 1910 what
was awesome.  
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT comet
  

 
  
  
Out here we expect to see it just below the big dipper
  after sunset starting tonight. I think it should be
  visible in the evening for another couple of weeks.

When Hally's came around in 1986, it was considered a
  "poor showing". It's not clear to me if this is because it
  is diminishing in general, or whether it just had bad
  geometry that time around. None of us will probably be
  alive to see it next time.
Hale-Bopp was great, we enjoyed watching it for at least
  a month or so.
 
bp



On 7/12/2020 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  Got up about 4 or so and saw the comet.  You can
see it with the naked eye.  Best one I think I have
ever seen.  Halley's was no big deal.  Hale-Bopp was
not great but was about the same as the current
one.  
   
  Kohoutek was the first I saw but I had to use
field glasses.  

  
  
  




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Take care Jaime. Eyes are too precious.


bp



On 7/12/2020 9:59 AM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  Last November, I had cataract surgery for my
left eye.   Vision was awesome and no reading glasses. About a
month ago I started seeing black and white spots...after a few
days, I called doctor...saw him Monday... inferior lattice with
a tear OS...caused by aging he figured.  I figured more  on my
boxing and kickboxing past probably contributed to itI
started working the heavy bag again last few months after many
years of not using it.
Yesterday, I had laser treatment to repair the
  small holes in retina... tomorrow, eye surgery to repair
  nearly detached retina...
Bummer part is repose will consist of one week
  facedownthat's part I am dreading...
Might not be checking in for a few days, so No
  having fun without me! 
  


  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

[chuck]

Well, with California being closer to the sun, ‘tis to be expected.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

Out here, Hale-Bopp was huge. It covered half the sky as I recall. It wasn't 
particularly bright, but you surely didn't need a telescope or anything. 
Kohoutek was very difficult to see; even with binos or a scope. All I remember 
is it being this vague fuzz ball.



bp


On 7/12/2020 9:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I don’t have a clear memory of Hale-Bopp but I remember not being impressed.  
Seems like you really needed a telescope for a good view.  This one I could see 
without using anything.  It is not easy to see but you can spot it.  The tail 
is long enough that you can spot it pretty easy.  Very faint but noticeable.  

  My grandparents told me of a Halley’s back in 1910 what was awesome.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:49 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

  Out here we expect to see it just below the big dipper after sunset starting 
tonight. I think it should be visible in the evening for another couple of 
weeks.


  When Hally's came around in 1986, it was considered a "poor showing". It's 
not clear to me if this is because it is diminishing in general, or whether it 
just had bad geometry that time around. None of us will probably be alive to 
see it next time.

  Hale-Bopp was great, we enjoyed watching it for at least a month or so.



bp


On 7/12/2020 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Got up about 4 or so and saw the comet.  You can see it with the naked eye. 
 Best one I think I have ever seen.  Halley's was no big deal.  Hale-Bopp was 
not great but was about the same as the current one.  

Kohoutek was the first I saw but I had to use field glasses.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics

[chuck]

Well hopefully you can be in a massage type of bed with a face hole.
Put a screen down there so you can watch the south of the border weather 
reports...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics

Last November, I had cataract surgery for my left eye.   Vision was awesome and 
no reading glasses. About a month ago I started seeing black and white 
spots...after a few days, I called doctor...saw him Monday... inferior lattice 
with a tear OS...caused by aging he figured.  I figured more  on my boxing and 
kickboxing past probably contributed to itI started working the heavy bag 
again last few months after many years of not using it. 
Yesterday, I had laser treatment to repair the small holes in retina... 
tomorrow, eye surgery to repair nearly detached retina...
Bummer part is repose will consist of one week facedownthat's part I am 
dreading...
Might not be checking in for a few days, so No having fun without me! 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha ..might be uncomfortable if the weather girl is wearing something hotter
than our 110° temperatures...thanks gents

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 11:31 AM  wrote:

> Well hopefully you can be in a massage type of bed with a face hole.
> Put a screen down there so you can watch the south of the border weather
> reports...
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics
>
> Last November, I had cataract surgery for my left eye.   Vision was
> awesome and no reading glasses. About a month ago I started seeing black
> and white spots...after a few days, I called doctor...saw him Monday...
> inferior lattice with a tear OS...caused by aging he figured.  I figured
> more  on my boxing and kickboxing past probably contributed to itI
> started working the heavy bag again last few months after many years of not
> using it.
> Yesterday, I had laser treatment to repair the small holes in retina...
> tomorrow, eye surgery to repair nearly detached retina...
> Bummer part is repose will consist of one week facedownthat's part I
> am dreading...
> Might not be checking in for a few days, so No having fun without me!
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics

[Lewis Bergman]

Man Jaime. Sorry to hear that. Hope that goes well.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 1:07 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Ha ..might be uncomfortable if the weather girl is wearing something
> hotter than our 110° temperatures...thanks gents
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 11:31 AM  wrote:
>
>> Well hopefully you can be in a massage type of bed with a face hole.
>> Put a screen down there so you can watch the south of the border weather
>> reports...
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:59 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics
>>
>> Last November, I had cataract surgery for my left eye.   Vision was
>> awesome and no reading glasses. About a month ago I started seeing black
>> and white spots...after a few days, I called doctor...saw him Monday...
>> inferior lattice with a tear OS...caused by aging he figured.  I figured
>> more  on my boxing and kickboxing past probably contributed to itI
>> started working the heavy bag again last few months after many years of not
>> using it.
>> Yesterday, I had laser treatment to repair the small holes in retina...
>> tomorrow, eye surgery to repair nearly detached retina...
>> Bummer part is repose will consist of one week facedownthat's part I
>> am dreading...
>> Might not be checking in for a few days, so No having fun without me!
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

[Matt Hoppes]

Agreed. Almost none of our customers complain of speed. 

Sure there is the occasional customer that doesn’t sign up or leaves for the 
cable company because “I can get three times as much speed for the same price”. 

They don’t realize they aren’t even coming close to using it. 

The majority of our customers average 2-5 megabits during prime time. 

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I predict anything with a drive thru window will survive.  I’d be a lot more 
> pessimistic about, for example, Subway.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:46 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?
>  
> It's OK. Wendy's is not expected to survive the pandemic.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 7/12/2020 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> How many of your customers complain their Internet isn’t fast enough?  And of 
> those, how many are on your highest speed tier?  None?
>  
> This convinces me the issue isn’t speed, it’s price.
>  
> It’s like complaining the hamburgers at Wendy’s are too small, when you 
> ordered this:
>  
> 
>  
> Instead of this:
>  
> 
>  
> Or this:
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics

[Ken Hohhof]

Yeah, don’t do the cartoon eyes popping out to an aooga sound.

 

You’ll need to watch a week’s worth of weather girls before the surgery.

 

Will it be an outpatient surgery center and recover at home?  Probably not the 
best time for an extended stay in a hospital.

 

Can we make jokes about 2020 vision, given that it’s 2020?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics

 

Ha ..might be uncomfortable if the weather girl is wearing something hotter 
than our 110° temperatures...thanks gents

 

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 11:31 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Well hopefully you can be in a massage type of bed with a face hole.

Put a screen down there so you can watch the south of the border weather 
reports...

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:59 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics

 

Last November, I had cataract surgery for my left eye.   Vision was awesome and 
no reading glasses. About a month ago I started seeing black and white 
spots...after a few days, I called doctor...saw him Monday... inferior lattice 
with a tear OS...caused by aging he figured.  I figured more  on my boxing and 
kickboxing past probably contributed to itI started working the heavy bag 
again last few months after many years of not using it. 

Yesterday, I had laser treatment to repair the small holes in retina... 
tomorrow, eye surgery to repair nearly detached retina...

Bummer part is repose will consist of one week facedownthat's part I am 
dreading...

Might not be checking in for a few days, so No having fun without me! 

 


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Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

[Ken Hohhof]

We do get people complaining about speed, but it’s people on the bottom 2 
plans.  That’s why I say it’s a $$$ problem.

 

And of course everything gets blamed on speed, when often it’s a WiFi or device 
issue.  Complaints like “my Internet is slow, if more than one of us is on our 
phone, we get kicked off”, or “I can’t print to my wireless printer”.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

 

Agreed. Almost none of our customers complain of speed. 

 

Sure there is the occasional customer that doesn’t sign up or leaves for the 
cable company because “I can get three times as much speed for the same price”. 

 

They don’t realize they aren’t even coming close to using it. 

 

The majority of our customers average 2-5 megabits during prime time. 





On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



I predict anything with a drive thru window will survive.  I’d be a lot more 
pessimistic about, for example, Subway.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

 

It's OK. Wendy's is not expected to survive the pandemic.

 

bp

 

On 7/12/2020 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

How many of your customers complain their Internet isn’t fast enough?  And of 
those, how many are on your highest speed tier?  None?

 

This convinces me the issue isn’t speed, it’s price.

 

It’s like complaining the hamburgers at Wendy’s are too small, when you ordered 
this:

 



 

Instead of this:

 



 

Or this:

 








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Re: [AFMUG] Ewon Cozy 131

[chuck]

Interesting antenna.  Any idea how much it costs?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 12:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ewon Cozy 131

This is cellular modem thar creates a VPN to allow remote access to Allen 
Bradley PLC and VFDs plus HMI...my first time setting it up using  T-Mobile 
SIM..uses open VPN I believe...



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[AFMUG] tomorrow

[chuck]

Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better at what 
you do.  

This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install 
equipment in the C.O.
BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for Central 
Distribution Office.  This is where the telephone operators used to manually 
switch telephone calls with “cord boards”.  Later automatic switching equipment 
took over that job but the C.O. has remained.  Internet companies frequently 
call their main tech office the NOC Network Operations Center.  NOC is probably 
taking over for C.O. but I am an older dude and will continue to refer to the 
C.O.  Ours is so small it would more properly be called a Carrier Hut or 
Remote.  But I digress.

We want everything looking as nice as we can for our upstream provider’s visit. 
 

Inside the C.O. we need the following done:
Racks straightened
Batteries reversed
Walls and ceiling washed
Stairs installed
Unused wires and equipment removed
Wires straightened up and dressed better
Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input

Outside the C.O. we need the following:
Back wall painted where the ducts are.  
Box that was over that area removed from the field to the North and either 
saved for repurpose or put in the scrap metal dumpster.
All weeds removed from the fenced area.
Gravel covering 100% of that area.

Outside the fenced area we need the following:
Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.  Any other garbage 
too and take it to the dump.
Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
Clean up, straight up etc the lot.  Make sure all the trucks and such are 
parked in a nice orderly fashion.
Knock down any weeds and lay down weed killer in those spots.  

Need to make sure not to leave the HVAC on in there until we get equipment 
actually needing to be powered.
Even then, we will want to set it no lower than 90 degrees.  Just got 15 days 
worth of power bill (someone had left the AC on down to about 65 degrees) and 
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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Were we the intended audience here?

bp



On 7/12/2020 12:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep
getting better at what you do.  
   
  This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and
perhaps install equipment in the C.O.
  BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it
was CDO for Central Distribution Office.  This is where the
telephone operators used to manually switch telephone calls
with “cord boards”.  Later automatic switching equipment
took over that job but the C.O. has remained.  Internet
companies frequently call their main tech office the NOC
Network Operations Center.  NOC is probably taking over for
C.O. but I am an older dude and will continue to refer to
the C.O.  Ours is so small it would more properly be called
a Carrier Hut or Remote.  But I digress.
   
  We want everything looking as nice as we can for our
upstream provider’s visit.  
   
  Inside the C.O. we need the following done:
  Racks straightened
  Batteries reversed
  Walls and ceiling washed
  Stairs installed
  Unused wires and equipment removed
  Wires straightened up and dressed better
  Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input
   
  Outside the C.O. we need the following:
  Back wall painted where the ducts are.  
  Box that was over that area removed from the field to the
North and either saved for repurpose or put in the scrap
metal dumpster.
  All weeds removed from the fenced area.
  Gravel covering 100% of that area.
   
  Outside the fenced area we need the following:
  Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump
trailer.  Any other garbage too and take it to the dump.
  Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
  Clean up, straight up etc the lot.  Make sure all the
trucks and such are parked in a nice orderly fashion.
  Knock down any weeds and lay down weed killer in those
spots.  
   
  Need to make sure not to leave the HVAC on in there until
we get equipment actually needing to be powered.
  Even then, we will want to set it no lower than 90
degrees.  Just got 15 days worth of power bill (someone had
left the AC on down to about 65 degrees) and the bill was
$100.  With no revenue producing customers yet, I don’t want
recurring expenses.  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

[Matt Hoppes]

A. Yes. It’s a $$ issue. 

Don’t want to pay. 

That being said we have very few folks who complain. We try to balance speed 
for average household with a $$ amount the average household can afford. 

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> We do get people complaining about speed, but it’s people on the bottom 2 
> plans.  That’s why I say it’s a $$$ problem.
>  
> And of course everything gets blamed on speed, when often it’s a WiFi or 
> device issue.  Complaints like “my Internet is slow, if more than one of us 
> is on our phone, we get kicked off”, or “I can’t print to my wireless 
> printer”.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:03 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?
>  
> Agreed. Almost none of our customers complain of speed. 
>  
> Sure there is the occasional customer that doesn’t sign up or leaves for the 
> cable company because “I can get three times as much speed for the same 
> price”. 
>  
> They don’t realize they aren’t even coming close to using it. 
>  
> The majority of our customers average 2-5 megabits during prime time. 
> 
> 
> On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I predict anything with a drive thru window will survive.  I’d be a lot more 
> pessimistic about, for example, Subway.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:46 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?
>  
> It's OK. Wendy's is not expected to survive the pandemic.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 7/12/2020 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> How many of your customers complain their Internet isn’t fast enough?  And of 
> those, how many are on your highest speed tier?  None?
>  
> This convinces me the issue isn’t speed, it’s price.
>  
> It’s like complaining the hamburgers at Wendy’s are too small, when you 
> ordered this:
>  
> 
>  
> Instead of this:
>  
> 
>  
> Or this:
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ewon Cozy 131

[Jaime Solorza]

I used a Cradlepoint point antenna until we run cable for outdoor antenna.
This unit is pricey . $900 vs..$500 for a Cradlepoint but it comes with
built-in configuration and cloud server that has a powerful app for phones
and PCs.  The AerMod folks asked us to deploy this model.
We also have a Cradlepoint IBR-600 at the RO plant for Tonka Water Systems
to access their PLCs and equipment.   Both of these installations are not
on Fabens Water SCADA network.


On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 1:40 PM  wrote:

> Interesting antenna.  Any idea how much it costs?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 12:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ewon Cozy 131
>
> This is cellular modem thar creates a VPN to allow remote access to Allen
> Bradley PLC and VFDs plus HMI...my first time setting it up using  T-Mobile
> SIM..uses open VPN I believe...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics

[Jaime Solorza]

Thanks guys...I want this to be done and over withI have lots of work
pending and want to insure I can finish projects in case they shut down
projects..
We have saved most of our earnings , cancelled DISH and cut back so we have
a good nest egg in case economy tanks!
My wife was off for three months and my worked slowed down in some
areas...but climbing projects helped take up the slack. .
Stay safe 😘

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:58 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Man Jaime. Sorry to hear that. Hope that goes well.
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 1:07 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Ha ..might be uncomfortable if the weather girl is wearing something
>> hotter than our 110° temperatures...thanks gents
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 11:31 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Well hopefully you can be in a massage type of bed with a face hole.
>>> Put a screen down there so you can watch the south of the border weather
>>> reports...
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:59 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Eye antics
>>>
>>> Last November, I had cataract surgery for my left eye.   Vision was
>>> awesome and no reading glasses. About a month ago I started seeing black
>>> and white spots...after a few days, I called doctor...saw him Monday...
>>> inferior lattice with a tear OS...caused by aging he figured.  I figured
>>> more  on my boxing and kickboxing past probably contributed to itI
>>> started working the heavy bag again last few months after many years of not
>>> using it.
>>> Yesterday, I had laser treatment to repair the small holes in retina...
>>> tomorrow, eye surgery to repair nearly detached retina...
>>> Bummer part is repose will consist of one week facedownthat's part I
>>> am dreading...
>>> Might not be checking in for a few days, so No having fun without me!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[TJ Trout]

Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's an
accidental peak 💁‍♂️

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Were we the intended audience here?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/12/2020 12:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better at
> what you do.
>
> This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install
> equipment in the C.O.
> BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for
> Central Distribution Office.  This is where the telephone operators used to
> manually switch telephone calls with “cord boards”.  Later automatic
> switching equipment took over that job but the C.O. has remained.  Internet
> companies frequently call their main tech office the NOC Network Operations
> Center.  NOC is probably taking over for C.O. but I am an older dude and
> will continue to refer to the C.O.  Ours is so small it would more properly
> be called a Carrier Hut or Remote.  But I digress.
>
> We want everything looking as nice as we can for our upstream provider’s
> visit.
>
> Inside the C.O. we need the following done:
> Racks straightened
> Batteries reversed
> Walls and ceiling washed
> Stairs installed
> Unused wires and equipment removed
> Wires straightened up and dressed better
> Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input
>
> Outside the C.O. we need the following:
> Back wall painted where the ducts are.
> Box that was over that area removed from the field to the North and either
> saved for repurpose or put in the scrap metal dumpster.
> All weeds removed from the fenced area.
> Gravel covering 100% of that area.
>
> Outside the fenced area we need the following:
> Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.  Any other
> garbage too and take it to the dump.
> Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
> Clean up, straight up etc the lot.  Make sure all the trucks and such are
> parked in a nice orderly fashion.
> Knock down any weeds and lay down weed killer in those spots.
>
> Need to make sure not to leave the HVAC on in there until we get equipment
> actually needing to be powered.
> Even then, we will want to set it no lower than 90 degrees.  Just got 15
> days worth of power bill (someone had left the AC on down to about 65
> degrees) and the bill was $100.  With no revenue producing customers yet, I
> don’t want recurring expenses.
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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

Also, remove any Richie bro’s stickers.  We have some adhesive remover spray 
that helps.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better at 
> what you do. 
>  
> This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install 
> equipment in the C.O.
> BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for Central 
> Distribution Office.  This is where the telephone operators used to manually 
> switch telephone calls with “cord boards”.  Later automatic switching 
> equipment took over that job but the C.O. has remained.  Internet companies 
> frequently call their main tech office the NOC Network Operations Center.  
> NOC is probably taking over for C.O. but I am an older dude and will continue 
> to refer to the C.O.  Ours is so small it would more properly be called a 
> Carrier Hut or Remote.  But I digress.
>  
> We want everything looking as nice as we can for our upstream provider’s 
> visit. 
>  
> Inside the C.O. we need the following done:
> Racks straightened
> Batteries reversed
> Walls and ceiling washed
> Stairs installed
> Unused wires and equipment removed
> Wires straightened up and dressed better
> Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input
>  
> Outside the C.O. we need the following:
> Back wall painted where the ducts are. 
> Box that was over that area removed from the field to the North and either 
> saved for repurpose or put in the scrap metal dumpster.
> All weeds removed from the fenced area.
> Gravel covering 100% of that area.
>  
> Outside the fenced area we need the following:
> Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.  Any other garbage 
> too and take it to the dump.
> Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
> Clean up, straight up etc the lot.  Make sure all the trucks and such are 
> parked in a nice orderly fashion.
> Knock down any weeds and lay down weed killer in those spots. 
>  
> Need to make sure not to leave the HVAC on in there until we get equipment 
> actually needing to be powered.
> Even then, we will want to set it no lower than 90 degrees.  Just got 15 days 
> worth of power bill (someone had left the AC on down to about 65 degrees) and 
> the bill was $100.  With no revenue producing customers yet, I don’t want 
> recurring expenses. 
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Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

[Dave]

I thought internet was free?


On 7/12/2020 3:26 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

A. Yes. It’s a $$ issue.

Don’t want to pay.

That being said we have very few folks who complain. We try to balance 
speed for average household with a $$ amount the average household can 
afford.



On Jul 12, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



We do get people complaining about speed, but it’s people on the 
bottom 2 plans.  That’s why I say it’s a $$$ problem.


And of course everything gets blamed on speed, when often it’s a WiFi 
or device issue.  Complaints like “my Internet is slow, if more than 
one of us is on our phone, we get kicked off”, or “I can’t print to 
my wireless printer”.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:03 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

Agreed. Almost none of our customers complain of speed.

Sure there is the occasional customer that doesn’t sign up or leaves 
for the cable company because “I can get three times as much speed 
for the same price”.


They don’t realize they aren’t even coming close to using it.

The majority of our customers average 2-5 megabits during prime time.



On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



I predict anything with a drive thru window will survive.  I’d be
a lot more pessimistic about, for example, Subway.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:46 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is speed the issue, or price?

It's OK. Wendy's is not expected to survive the pandemic.

bp



  


On 7/12/2020 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

How many of your customers complain their Internet isn’t fast
enough?  And of those, how many are on your highest speed
tier? None?

This convinces me the issue isn’t speed, it’s price.

It’s like complaining the hamburgers at Wendy’s are too
small, when you ordered this:



Instead of this:



Or this:






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Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

[Dave]

If they are not running 16.0.1 nuthing can help them from some weird 
issues with the DFS bands.


 Lots of things corrected in 15.2 and later for EIRP and SNR related 
calculations the help with H/V misreads and A/B channel alignments.


Read the release notes in 16.0.1 for further info.


On 7/11/2020 3:12 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I'm working with a customer that is having problems with DFS false 
hits who is convinced this is a PacketFlux sync issue.   I'm never one 
to say it definitively isn't my problem, but I'm skeptical in this case.


I know that at some point in the past that anything beyond 15.0.2 was 
known to have fairly common DFS issues by some customers.   I thought 
this was resolved in later releases, but I also don't see any mention 
of said issue being resolved in any release notes post 15.0.02.


I was wondering if anyone knew the current status?  I.E. if they had 
been seeing the problem previously, and then discovered it was fixed.  
Or have tried recent releases and discovered the problem still exists, 
etc...


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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[chuck]

Nope but hopefully a fun read...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:52 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

Were we the intended audience here?


bp


On 7/12/2020 12:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better at 
what you do.  

  This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install 
equipment in the C.O.
  BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for Central 
Distribution Office.  This is where the telephone operators used to manually 
switch telephone calls with “cord boards”.  Later automatic switching equipment 
took over that job but the C.O. has remained.  Internet companies frequently 
call their main tech office the NOC Network Operations Center.  NOC is probably 
taking over for C.O. but I am an older dude and will continue to refer to the 
C.O.  Ours is so small it would more properly be called a Carrier Hut or 
Remote.  But I digress.

  We want everything looking as nice as we can for our upstream provider’s 
visit.  

  Inside the C.O. we need the following done:
  Racks straightened
  Batteries reversed
  Walls and ceiling washed
  Stairs installed
  Unused wires and equipment removed
  Wires straightened up and dressed better
  Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input

  Outside the C.O. we need the following:
  Back wall painted where the ducts are.  
  Box that was over that area removed from the field to the North and either 
saved for repurpose or put in the scrap metal dumpster.
  All weeds removed from the fenced area.
  Gravel covering 100% of that area.

  Outside the fenced area we need the following:
  Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.  Any other garbage 
too and take it to the dump.
  Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
  Clean up, straight up etc the lot.  Make sure all the trucks and such are 
parked in a nice orderly fashion.
  Knock down any weeds and lay down weed killer in those spots.  

  Need to make sure not to leave the HVAC on in there until we get equipment 
actually needing to be powered.
  Even then, we will want to set it no lower than 90 degrees.  Just got 15 days 
worth of power bill (someone had left the AC on down to about 65 degrees) and 
the bill was $100.  With no revenue producing customers yet, I don’t want 
recurring expenses.  

   



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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[chuck]

I am sure you all enjoyed it much more than my crew...

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's an 
accidental peak 💁‍♂️

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Were we the intended audience here?


bp


On 7/12/2020 12:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better at 
what you do.  

This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install 
equipment in the C.O.
BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for Central 
Distribution Office.  This is where the telephone operators used to manually 
switch telephone calls with “cord boards”.  Later automatic switching equipment 
took over that job but the C.O. has remained.  Internet companies frequently 
call their main tech office the NOC Network Operations Center.  NOC is probably 
taking over for C.O. but I am an older dude and will continue to refer to the 
C.O.  Ours is so small it would more properly be called a Carrier Hut or 
Remote.  But I digress.

We want everything looking as nice as we can for our upstream provider’s 
visit.  

Inside the C.O. we need the following done:
Racks straightened
Batteries reversed
Walls and ceiling washed
Stairs installed
Unused wires and equipment removed
Wires straightened up and dressed better
Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input

Outside the C.O. we need the following:
Back wall painted where the ducts are.  
Box that was over that area removed from the field to the North and either 
saved for repurpose or put in the scrap metal dumpster.
All weeds removed from the fenced area.
Gravel covering 100% of that area.

Outside the fenced area we need the following:
Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.  Any other 
garbage too and take it to the dump.
Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
Clean up, straight up etc the lot.  Make sure all the trucks and such are 
parked in a nice orderly fashion.
Knock down any weeds and lay down weed killer in those spots.  

Need to make sure not to leave the HVAC on in there until we get equipment 
actually needing to be powered.
Even then, we will want to set it no lower than 90 degrees.  Just got 15 
days worth of power bill (someone had left the AC on down to about 65 degrees) 
and the bill was $100.  With no revenue producing customers yet, I don’t want 
recurring expenses.  

 
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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[chuck]

Good thing I didn’t start off: “who is the stupid bastard that took home the 
only key for the red truck”...

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

I am sure you all enjoyed it much more than my crew...

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's an 
accidental peak 💁‍♂️

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Were we the intended audience here?


bp


On 7/12/2020 12:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better at 
what you do.  

This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install 
equipment in the C.O.
BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for Central 
Distribution Office.  This is where the telephone operators used to manually 
switch telephone calls with “cord boards”.  Later automatic switching equipment 
took over that job but the C.O. has remained.  Internet companies frequently 
call their main tech office the NOC Network Operations Center.  NOC is probably 
taking over for C.O. but I am an older dude and will continue to refer to the 
C.O.  Ours is so small it would more properly be called a Carrier Hut or 
Remote.  But I digress.

We want everything looking as nice as we can for our upstream provider’s 
visit.  

Inside the C.O. we need the following done:
Racks straightened
Batteries reversed
Walls and ceiling washed
Stairs installed
Unused wires and equipment removed
Wires straightened up and dressed better
Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input

Outside the C.O. we need the following:
Back wall painted where the ducts are.  
Box that was over that area removed from the field to the North and either 
saved for repurpose or put in the scrap metal dumpster.
All weeds removed from the fenced area.
Gravel covering 100% of that area.

Outside the fenced area we need the following:
Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.  Any other 
garbage too and take it to the dump.
Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
Clean up, straight up etc the lot.  Make sure all the trucks and such are 
parked in a nice orderly fashion.
Knock down any weeds and lay down weed killer in those spots.  

Need to make sure not to leave the HVAC on in there until we get equipment 
actually needing to be powered.
Even then, we will want to set it no lower than 90 degrees.  Just got 15 
days worth of power bill (someone had left the AC on down to about 65 degrees) 
and the bill was $100.  With no revenue producing customers yet, I don’t want 
recurring expenses.  

 
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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Nate Burke]

I really want some more explanations/story to some of the projects...

Batteries reversed

Stairs installed

Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input

Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.
Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.


On 7/12/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Good thing I didn’t start off: “who is the stupid bastard that took 
home the only key for the red truck”...

*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:05 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
I am sure you all enjoyed it much more than my crew...
*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:36 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's an 
accidental peak 💁‍♂️

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Were we the intended audience here?

bp


On 7/12/2020 12:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting
better at what you do.
This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps
install equipment in the C.O.
BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office. Many years ago it was CDO
for Central Distribution Office.  This is where the telephone
operators used to manually switch telephone calls with “cord
boards”.  Later automatic switching equipment took over that job
but the C.O. has remained.  Internet companies frequently call
their main tech office the NOC Network Operations Center.  NOC is
probably taking over for C.O. but I am an older dude and will
continue to refer to the C.O.  Ours is so small it would more
properly be called a Carrier Hut or Remote.  But I digress.
We want everything looking as nice as we can for our upstream
provider’s visit.
Inside the C.O. we need the following done:
Racks straightened
Batteries reversed
Walls and ceiling washed
Stairs installed
Unused wires and equipment removed
Wires straightened up and dressed better
Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input
Outside the C.O. we need the following:
Back wall painted where the ducts are.
Box that was over that area removed from the field to the North
and either saved for repurpose or put in the scrap metal dumpster.
All weeds removed from the fenced area.
Gravel covering 100% of that area.
Outside the fenced area we need the following:
Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.  Any
other garbage too and take it to the dump.
Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
Clean up, straight up etc the lot. Make sure all the trucks and
such are parked in a nice orderly fashion.
Knock down any weeds and lay down weed killer in those spots.
Need to make sure not to leave the HVAC on in there until we get
equipment actually needing to be powered.
Even then, we will want to set it no lower than 90 degrees.  Just
got 15 days worth of power bill (someone had left the AC on down
to about 65 degrees) and the bill was $100.  With no revenue
producing customers yet, I don’t want recurring expenses.

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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[chuck]

Rack mount batteries got installed with the wires coming off the front then up 
the rack with wire hangers for a bit then diagonally going to the rack and then 
up the back   Looks bad.  I don’t know why the guy did not route them looking 
better.  So if we flip them around in the rack, the wires can go straight up 
the back side of the rack to the circuit breaker panel and the inverter and 
rectifier shelves.

The all aluminum building has the door threshold about 4 feet above ground 
level.  It was designed to resist flooding.  And the place where it rests was 
underwater in the mid 1980s.  So, now the water would have to be over the top 
of I-80 before I have a problem.  And since it has a 4 foot sump, we can pump 
it out (it has a built in sump pump too).   But it needs stairs to get into.  I 
got some nice gnarly steel stair treat and built a set of stairs for it.  They 
need to be painted and put in place.

The inverter has a switch that will convert the output over to commercial power 
if it fails.  It has no 120 VAC feed into it at the moment.  Nice Exeltech 4 kW 
sine wave modular inverter.

A few years ago a guy wanted to rent some of our back lot to stage his tow 
trucks.  He parked several tow trucks and an older Winnebago style motor home 
there.  About a month or less some other guy showed up and said this guy 
supposedly bought those trucks from him as well as the whole business but 
defaulted.  Those were his trucks.  I told him that I would not notice if they 
all disappeared as I could not get ahold of the guy and he only made the one 
rent payment.  

I finally made contact and told him to clear out the remaining truck and the 
motor home.  He never got the motorhome.  I should have towed it out to the 
highway and just left it.  But instead I tried to sell it, give it away get the 
local junkyard to take it.  I eventually told the crew to go out with a mini 
excavator (with a thumb) and pluck it to pieces and put all the pieces in a 
large truck sized dumpster.  I finished ripping all the pieces they left off 
today and made a mess.  Not sure what I am going to do with the chassis.  It 
was running when it was parked.  

Kinda fun starting up another company brand new like this.  We are installing a 
576 strand C.O. cable this week.  My C.O. rack can serve up to 10,024 customers 
without adding another shelf.  576 strands can serve 18,432 customers.  No 
remotes, electronics, DLCs etc out in the field.  Just 100% optics up to 20 km 
and up to 30 km if we cut down the splitter ports.  

The upstream equipment we are installing has the ability to go to 1000 Gbps on 
a ring of just 4 strands.  Thus the name Terabit Networks.  The ring will be 
about 100 miles long when I complete it.  I have 2 gaps left to complete.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:53 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

I really want some more explanations/story to some of the projects...


Batteries reversed

Stairs installed

Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input


Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer. 

Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.



On 7/12/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Good thing I didn’t start off: “who is the stupid bastard that took home the 
only key for the red truck”...

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:05 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

  I am sure you all enjoyed it much more than my crew...

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:36 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

  Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's an 
accidental peak 💁‍♂️

  On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Were we the intended audience here?


bp


On 7/12/2020 12:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better 
at what you do.  

  This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install 
equipment in the C.O.
  BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for 
Central Distribution Office.  This is where the telephone operators used to 
manually switch telephone calls with “cord boards”.  Later automatic switching 
equipment took over that job but the C.O. has remained.  Internet companies 
frequently call their main tech office the NOC Network Operations Center.  NOC 
is probably taking over for C.O. but I am an older dude and will continue to 
refer to the C.O.  Ours is so small it would more properly be called a Carrier 
Hut or Remote.  But I digress.

  We want everything looking as nice as we can for our upstream provider’s 
visit.  

  Inside the C.O. we need the following done:
  Racks straightened
  Batteries reversed
  Walls and ceiling washed
  Stairs installed
  Unused wires and equipment removed
  Wires straightened up and dressed bet

Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Ken Hohhof]

If the rack mount batteries are front terminal, you can’t blame someone for 
installing them with the wires coming off the front.  In a European CO the 
racks are back-to-back and you have no choice, everything must be installed and 
serviced from the front.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 5:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

 

Rack mount batteries got installed with the wires coming off the front then up 
the rack with wire hangers for a bit then diagonally going to the rack and then 
up the back   Looks bad.  I don’t know why the guy did not route them looking 
better.  So if we flip them around in the rack, the wires can go straight up 
the back side of the rack to the circuit breaker panel and the inverter and 
rectifier shelves.

 

The all aluminum building has the door threshold about 4 feet above ground 
level.  It was designed to resist flooding.  And the place where it rests was 
underwater in the mid 1980s.  So, now the water would have to be over the top 
of I-80 before I have a problem.  And since it has a 4 foot sump, we can pump 
it out (it has a built in sump pump too).   But it needs stairs to get into.  I 
got some nice gnarly steel stair treat and built a set of stairs for it.  They 
need to be painted and put in place.

 

The inverter has a switch that will convert the output over to commercial power 
if it fails.  It has no 120 VAC feed into it at the moment.  Nice Exeltech 4 kW 
sine wave modular inverter.

 

A few years ago a guy wanted to rent some of our back lot to stage his tow 
trucks.  He parked several tow trucks and an older Winnebago style motor home 
there.  About a month or less some other guy showed up and said this guy 
supposedly bought those trucks from him as well as the whole business but 
defaulted.  Those were his trucks.  I told him that I would not notice if they 
all disappeared as I could not get ahold of the guy and he only made the one 
rent payment.  

 

I finally made contact and told him to clear out the remaining truck and the 
motor home.  He never got the motorhome.  I should have towed it out to the 
highway and just left it.  But instead I tried to sell it, give it away get the 
local junkyard to take it.  I eventually told the crew to go out with a mini 
excavator (with a thumb) and pluck it to pieces and put all the pieces in a 
large truck sized dumpster.  I finished ripping all the pieces they left off 
today and made a mess.  Not sure what I am going to do with the chassis.  It 
was running when it was parked.  

 

Kinda fun starting up another company brand new like this.  We are installing a 
576 strand C.O. cable this week.  My C.O. rack can serve up to 10,024 customers 
without adding another shelf.  576 strands can serve 18,432 customers.  No 
remotes, electronics, DLCs etc out in the field.  Just 100% optics up to 20 km 
and up to 30 km if we cut down the splitter ports.  

 

The upstream equipment we are installing has the ability to go to 1000 Gbps on 
a ring of just 4 strands.  Thus the name Terabit Networks.  The ring will be 
about 100 miles long when I complete it.  I have 2 gaps left to complete.  

 

From: Nate Burke 

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:53 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

 

I really want some more explanations/story to some of the projects...

Batteries reversed

 

Stairs installed


Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input

Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer. 

Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.

 

On 7/12/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Good thing I didn’t start off: “who is the stupid bastard that took home the 
only key for the red truck”...

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:05 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

 

I am sure you all enjoyed it much more than my crew...

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:36 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

 

Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's an 
accidental peak 💁‍♂️

 

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Were we the intended audience here?

bp

 

On 7/12/2020 12:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better at what 
you do.  

 

This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install 
equipment in the C.O.

BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for Central 
Distribution Office.  This is where the telephone operators used to manually 
switch telephone calls with “cord boards”.  Later automatic switching equipment 
took over that job but the C.O. has remained.  Internet companies frequently 
call their main tech office the NOC Network Opera

Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Without seeing the installation, my first inclination would be to
  have the terminals in front, and find a way to dress the cables to
  look more presentable and/or be more serviceable. Since I can't
  see what it looks like, I will say "Carry on."


bp



On 7/12/2020 4:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
If the rack mount batteries are front
  terminal, you can’t blame someone for installing them with the
  wires coming off the front.  In a European CO the racks are
  back-to-back and you have no choice, everything must be
  installed and serviced from the front.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 5:16 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
  

 

  

  Rack mount
  batteries got installed with the wires coming off the
  front then up the rack with wire hangers for a bit
  then diagonally going to the rack and then up the
  back   Looks bad.  I don’t know why the guy did not
  route them looking better.  So if we flip them around
  in the rack, the wires can go straight up the back
  side of the rack to the circuit breaker panel and the
  inverter and rectifier shelves.


   


  The all aluminum
  building has the door threshold about 4 feet above
  ground level.  It was designed to resist flooding. 
  And the place where it rests was underwater in the mid
  1980s.  So, now the water would have to be over the
  top of I-80 before I have a problem.  And since it has
  a 4 foot sump, we can pump it out (it has a built in
  sump pump too).   But it needs stairs to get into.  I
  got some nice gnarly steel stair treat and built a set
  of stairs for it.  They need to be painted and put in
  place.


   


  The inverter has
  a switch that will convert the output over to
  commercial power if it fails.  It has no 120 VAC feed
  into it at the moment.  Nice Exeltech 4 kW sine wave
  modular inverter.


   


  A few years ago a
  guy wanted to rent some of our back lot to stage his
  tow trucks.  He parked several tow trucks and an older
  Winnebago style motor home there.  About a month or
  less some other guy showed up and said this guy
  supposedly bought those trucks from him as well as the
  whole business but defaulted.  Those were his trucks. 
  I told him that I would not notice if they all
  disappeared as I could not get ahold of the guy and he
  only made the one rent payment.  


  

   


  I finally
  made contact and told him to clear out the
  remaining truck and the motor home.  He never got
  the motorhome.  I should have towed it out to the
  highway and just left it.  But instead I tried to
  sell it, give it away get the local junkyard to
  take it.  I eventually told the crew to go out
  with a mini excavator (with a thumb) and pluck it
  to pieces and put all the pieces in a large truck
  sized dumpster.  I finished ripping all the pieces
  they left off today and made a mess.  Not sure
  what I am going to do with the chassis.  It was
  running when it was parked.  


   


  Kinda fun
  starting up another company brand new like this. 
  We are installing a 576 strand C.O. cable this
  week.  My C.O. rack can serve up to 10,024
  customers without adding another shelf.  576
  strands can serve 18,432 customers.  No remotes,
  electronics, DLCs etc out in the field.  Just 100%
  optics up to 20 km and up to 30 km if we cut down
  the splitter ports.  

Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Ken Hohhof]

I like to use #6 welding cable for the big batteries and it is so flexible you 
often don’t need to fasten it down, it just nicely routes itself.

https://powerwerx.com/welding-cable-epdm

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

 

Without seeing the installation, my first inclination would be to have the 
terminals in front, and find a way to dress the cables to look more presentable 
and/or be more serviceable. Since I can't see what it looks like, I will say 
"Carry on."

 

bp

 

On 7/12/2020 4:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If the rack mount batteries are front terminal, you can’t blame someone for 
installing them with the wires coming off the front.  In a European CO the 
racks are back-to-back and you have no choice, everything must be installed and 
serviced from the front.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 5:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

 

Rack mount batteries got installed with the wires coming off the front then up 
the rack with wire hangers for a bit then diagonally going to the rack and then 
up the back   Looks bad.  I don’t know why the guy did not route them looking 
better.  So if we flip them around in the rack, the wires can go straight up 
the back side of the rack to the circuit breaker panel and the inverter and 
rectifier shelves.

 

The all aluminum building has the door threshold about 4 feet above ground 
level.  It was designed to resist flooding.  And the place where it rests was 
underwater in the mid 1980s.  So, now the water would have to be over the top 
of I-80 before I have a problem.  And since it has a 4 foot sump, we can pump 
it out (it has a built in sump pump too).   But it needs stairs to get into.  I 
got some nice gnarly steel stair treat and built a set of stairs for it.  They 
need to be painted and put in place.

 

The inverter has a switch that will convert the output over to commercial power 
if it fails.  It has no 120 VAC feed into it at the moment.  Nice Exeltech 4 kW 
sine wave modular inverter.

 

A few years ago a guy wanted to rent some of our back lot to stage his tow 
trucks.  He parked several tow trucks and an older Winnebago style motor home 
there.  About a month or less some other guy showed up and said this guy 
supposedly bought those trucks from him as well as the whole business but 
defaulted.  Those were his trucks.  I told him that I would not notice if they 
all disappeared as I could not get ahold of the guy and he only made the one 
rent payment.  

 

I finally made contact and told him to clear out the remaining truck and the 
motor home.  He never got the motorhome.  I should have towed it out to the 
highway and just left it.  But instead I tried to sell it, give it away get the 
local junkyard to take it.  I eventually told the crew to go out with a mini 
excavator (with a thumb) and pluck it to pieces and put all the pieces in a 
large truck sized dumpster.  I finished ripping all the pieces they left off 
today and made a mess.  Not sure what I am going to do with the chassis.  It 
was running when it was parked.  

 

Kinda fun starting up another company brand new like this.  We are installing a 
576 strand C.O. cable this week.  My C.O. rack can serve up to 10,024 customers 
without adding another shelf.  576 strands can serve 18,432 customers.  No 
remotes, electronics, DLCs etc out in the field.  Just 100% optics up to 20 km 
and up to 30 km if we cut down the splitter ports.  

 

The upstream equipment we are installing has the ability to go to 1000 Gbps on 
a ring of just 4 strands.  Thus the name Terabit Networks.  The ring will be 
about 100 miles long when I complete it.  I have 2 gaps left to complete.  

 

From: Nate Burke 

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:53 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

 

I really want some more explanations/story to some of the projects...

Batteries reversed

 

Stairs installed


Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input

Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer. 

Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.

 

On 7/12/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Good thing I didn’t start off: “who is the stupid bastard that took home the 
only key for the red truck”...

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:05 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

 

I am sure you all enjoyed it much more than my crew...

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:36 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

 

Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's an 
accidental peak 💁‍♂️

 

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM Bill Prince mailt

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I read the 16.0.1 release notes, nothing really specific about DFS other
than it being on when it shouldn't be.  However, I agree there is lots of
stuff fixed in there, some of which could have repercussions for DFS.

Are you saying that mid to late 15.x was generally broken for DFS and this
is largely fixed in 16.x?   I guess my real question should have been 'What
is the state of DFS in the 450 platform and how fussy is it'?

I'm still gathering information from this customer but it sounds like
they're still trying to track down the root cause.  Sometime in the past
week or so they figured out that there was some correlation between the DFS
events adding a fair bit of PacketFlux gear, so this correlation is now the
leading root cause in their minds.   So now I get to try to resolve their
problem for them.



On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:00 PM Dave  wrote:

> If they are not running 16.0.1 nuthing can help them from some weird
> issues with the DFS bands.
>
>  Lots of things corrected in 15.2 and later for EIRP and SNR related
> calculations the help with H/V misreads and A/B channel alignments.
>
> Read the release notes in 16.0.1 for further info.
>
>
> On 7/11/2020 3:12 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> I'm working with a customer that is having problems with DFS false hits
> who is convinced this is a PacketFlux sync issue.   I'm never one to say it
> definitively isn't my problem, but I'm skeptical in this case.
>
> I know that at some point in the past that anything beyond 15.0.2 was
> known to have fairly common DFS issues by some customers.   I thought this
> was resolved in later releases, but I also don't see any mention of said
> issue being resolved in any release notes post 15.0.02.
>
> I was wondering if anyone knew the current status?  I.E. if they had been
> seeing the problem previously, and then discovered it was fixed.  Or have
> tried recent releases and discovered the problem still exists, etc...
>
> --
> - Forrest
>
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Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

If the routing of the cable would have been better it would not be a problem, 
but since I want it redone, flipping them around will be neater I think.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> If the rack mount batteries are front terminal, you can’t blame someone for 
> installing them with the wires coming off the front.  In a European CO the 
> racks are back-to-back and you have no choice, everything must be installed 
> and serviced from the front.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 5:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> Rack mount batteries got installed with the wires coming off the front then 
> up the rack with wire hangers for a bit then diagonally going to the rack and 
> then up the back   Looks bad.  I don’t know why the guy did not route them 
> looking better.  So if we flip them around in the rack, the wires can go 
> straight up the back side of the rack to the circuit breaker panel and the 
> inverter and rectifier shelves.
>  
> The all aluminum building has the door threshold about 4 feet above ground 
> level.  It was designed to resist flooding.  And the place where it rests was 
> underwater in the mid 1980s.  So, now the water would have to be over the top 
> of I-80 before I have a problem.  And since it has a 4 foot sump, we can pump 
> it out (it has a built in sump pump too).   But it needs stairs to get into.  
> I got some nice gnarly steel stair treat and built a set of stairs for it.  
> They need to be painted and put in place.
>  
> The inverter has a switch that will convert the output over to commercial 
> power if it fails.  It has no 120 VAC feed into it at the moment.  Nice 
> Exeltech 4 kW sine wave modular inverter.
>  
> A few years ago a guy wanted to rent some of our back lot to stage his tow 
> trucks.  He parked several tow trucks and an older Winnebago style motor home 
> there.  About a month or less some other guy showed up and said this guy 
> supposedly bought those trucks from him as well as the whole business but 
> defaulted.  Those were his trucks.  I told him that I would not notice if 
> they all disappeared as I could not get ahold of the guy and he only made the 
> one rent payment. 
>  
> I finally made contact and told him to clear out the remaining truck and the 
> motor home.  He never got the motorhome.  I should have towed it out to the 
> highway and just left it.  But instead I tried to sell it, give it away get 
> the local junkyard to take it.  I eventually told the crew to go out with a 
> mini excavator (with a thumb) and pluck it to pieces and put all the pieces 
> in a large truck sized dumpster.  I finished ripping all the pieces they left 
> off today and made a mess.  Not sure what I am going to do with the chassis.  
> It was running when it was parked. 
>  
> Kinda fun starting up another company brand new like this.  We are installing 
> a 576 strand C.O. cable this week.  My C.O. rack can serve up to 10,024 
> customers without adding another shelf.  576 strands can serve 18,432 
> customers.  No remotes, electronics, DLCs etc out in the field.  Just 100% 
> optics up to 20 km and up to 30 km if we cut down the splitter ports. 
>  
> The upstream equipment we are installing has the ability to go to 1000 Gbps 
> on a ring of just 4 strands.  Thus the name Terabit Networks.  The ring will 
> be about 100 miles long when I complete it.  I have 2 gaps left to complete. 
>  
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:53 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> I really want some more explanations/story to some of the projects...
> 
> Batteries reversed
>  
> Stairs installed
> 
> Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input
> 
> Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.
> Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
>  
> 
> On 7/12/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Good thing I didn’t start off: “who is the stupid bastard that took home the 
> only key for the red truck”...
>  
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:05 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> I am sure you all enjoyed it much more than my crew...
>  
> From: TJ Trout
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:36 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's an 
> accidental peak 💁‍♂️
>  
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> Were we the intended audience here?
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 7/12/2020 12:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Excellent job on the intersection guys.  Y’all just keep getting better at 
> what you do. 
>  
> This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install 
> equipment in the C.O.
> BTW, C.O. stands for Central Office.  Many years ago it was CDO for Central 
> Distribution Office.  This is where th

Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

#4

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I like to use #6 welding cable for the big batteries and it is so flexible 
> you often don’t need to fasten it down, it just nicely routes itself.
> https://powerwerx.com/welding-cable-epdm
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:22 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> Without seeing the installation, my first inclination would be to have the 
> terminals in front, and find a way to dress the cables to look more 
> presentable and/or be more serviceable. Since I can't see what it looks like, 
> I will say "Carry on."
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 7/12/2020 4:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> If the rack mount batteries are front terminal, you can’t blame someone for 
> installing them with the wires coming off the front.  In a European CO the 
> racks are back-to-back and you have no choice, everything must be installed 
> and serviced from the front.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 5:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> Rack mount batteries got installed with the wires coming off the front then 
> up the rack with wire hangers for a bit then diagonally going to the rack and 
> then up the back   Looks bad.  I don’t know why the guy did not route them 
> looking better.  So if we flip them around in the rack, the wires can go 
> straight up the back side of the rack to the circuit breaker panel and the 
> inverter and rectifier shelves.
>  
> The all aluminum building has the door threshold about 4 feet above ground 
> level.  It was designed to resist flooding.  And the place where it rests was 
> underwater in the mid 1980s.  So, now the water would have to be over the top 
> of I-80 before I have a problem.  And since it has a 4 foot sump, we can pump 
> it out (it has a built in sump pump too).   But it needs stairs to get into.  
> I got some nice gnarly steel stair treat and built a set of stairs for it.  
> They need to be painted and put in place.
>  
> The inverter has a switch that will convert the output over to commercial 
> power if it fails.  It has no 120 VAC feed into it at the moment.  Nice 
> Exeltech 4 kW sine wave modular inverter.
>  
> A few years ago a guy wanted to rent some of our back lot to stage his tow 
> trucks.  He parked several tow trucks and an older Winnebago style motor home 
> there.  About a month or less some other guy showed up and said this guy 
> supposedly bought those trucks from him as well as the whole business but 
> defaulted.  Those were his trucks.  I told him that I would not notice if 
> they all disappeared as I could not get ahold of the guy and he only made the 
> one rent payment. 
>  
> I finally made contact and told him to clear out the remaining truck and the 
> motor home.  He never got the motorhome.  I should have towed it out to the 
> highway and just left it.  But instead I tried to sell it, give it away get 
> the local junkyard to take it.  I eventually told the crew to go out with a 
> mini excavator (with a thumb) and pluck it to pieces and put all the pieces 
> in a large truck sized dumpster.  I finished ripping all the pieces they left 
> off today and made a mess.  Not sure what I am going to do with the chassis.  
> It was running when it was parked. 
>  
> Kinda fun starting up another company brand new like this.  We are installing 
> a 576 strand C.O. cable this week.  My C.O. rack can serve up to 10,024 
> customers without adding another shelf.  576 strands can serve 18,432 
> customers.  No remotes, electronics, DLCs etc out in the field.  Just 100% 
> optics up to 20 km and up to 30 km if we cut down the splitter ports. 
>  
> The upstream equipment we are installing has the ability to go to 1000 Gbps 
> on a ring of just 4 strands.  Thus the name Terabit Networks.  The ring will 
> be about 100 miles long when I complete it.  I have 2 gaps left to complete. 
>  
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:53 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> I really want some more explanations/story to some of the projects...
> 
> Batteries reversed
>  
> Stairs installed
> 
> Perhaps run the 120 VAC to the inverter input
> 
> Put all the pieces of that motorhome in the dump trailer.
> Move that motorhome chassis somewhere it is not obvious.
>  
> 
> On 7/12/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Good thing I didn’t start off: “who is the stupid bastard that took home the 
> only key for the red truck”...
>  
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:05 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> I am sure you all enjoyed it much more than my crew...
>  
> From: TJ Trout
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:36 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
>  
> Pretty cool to get a sneak peek into the mccown world even if it's 

Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I need MORE POWER Scottie!


bp



On 7/12/2020 5:56 PM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  #4
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Jul 12, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Ken Hohhof
   wrote:
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
I like to use #6 welding cable for the
  big batteries and it is so flexible you often don’t need
  to fasten it down, it just nicely routes itself.
https://powerwerx.com/welding-cable-epdm
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:22 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow
  

 
Without seeing the installation, my first inclination
  would be to have the terminals in front, and find a way to
  dress the cables to look more presentable and/or be more
  serviceable. Since I can't see what it looks like, I will
  say "Carry on."
 
bp

 

  On 7/12/2020 4:16 PM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:


  If the rack mount batteries are front
terminal, you can’t blame someone for installing them
with the wires coming off the front.  In a European CO
the racks are back-to-back and you have no choice,
everything must be installed and serviced from the
front.
   
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 5:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

  
   
  

  
Rack mount
batteries got installed with the wires coming
off the front then up the rack with wire hangers
for a bit then diagonally going to the rack and
then up the back   Looks bad.  I don’t know why
the guy did not route them looking better.  So
if we flip them around in the rack, the wires
can go straight up the back side of the rack to
the circuit breaker panel and the inverter and
rectifier shelves.
  
  
 
  
  
The all
aluminum building has the door threshold about 4
feet above ground level.  It was designed to
resist flooding.  And the place where it rests
was underwater in the mid 1980s.  So, now the
water would have to be over the top of I-80
before I have a problem.  And since it has a 4
foot sump, we can pump it out (it has a built in
sump pump too).   But it needs stairs to get
into.  I got some nice gnarly steel stair treat
and built a set of stairs for it.  They need to
be painted and put in place.
  
  
 
  
  
The
inverter has a switch that will convert the
output over to commercial power if it fails.  It
has no 120 VAC feed into it at the moment.  Nice
Exeltech 4 kW sine wave modular inverter.
  
  
 
  
  
A few years
ago a guy wanted to rent some of our back lot to
stage his tow trucks.  He parked several tow
trucks and an older Winnebago style motor home
there.  About a month or less some other guy
showed up and said this guy supposedly bought
those trucks from him as well as the whole
business but defaulted.  Those were his trucks. 
I told him that I would not notice if they all
disappeared as I could not get ahold of the guy
and he only made the one rent payment.  
  
  

  
 
  
 

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

[Ken Hohhof]

I am unaware of any correlation between DFS events and either Packetflux or 
15.x FW.

 

I don’t use a lot of DFS because honestly it seems fussy no matter what.  But I 
have a tower with 10 sectors in 5 GHz (8 x 450i and 2 x 450m).  They are all 
synced from a Packetflux Rackinjector using Cambium Sync.  4 of the 450i 
sectors are in 5.4 DFS, and I’m embarrassed to find they are still on 15.2 FW.  
Uptime of about 6 months and no DFS events.  So I’m dubious about all of this.

 

The latest production FW is 16.2.1 and it also has a lot of fixes so I’m not 
sure why you would be running something so far behind.  As I said, I’m 
embarrassed to find I still have radios on 15.2.

 

Has he opened a case with Cambium support?  There are some best practices with 
DFS.  For sure you don’t want to configure the AP to think the antenna gain is 
lower than it is (not possible with 450m or integrated 450i).  You don’t want 
to set the SM Receive Target Level higher than necessary on other sectors.  
Then there’s choosing the alternate frequencies.  And I suppose a poor sync 
configuration could cause false DFS detections, where an AP sees the signal 
from an adjacent AP.

 

But who knows what causes these events?  Somebody’s Linksys reflected off a 
bird?  A competitor aiming a new radio?  I used to have a 5.4 GHz PTP500 
backhaul and the end pointed in the general direction of Chicago would have DFS 
events when there were storms.  I thought ducting was causing it to see distant 
signals, but it could also have been tripped by lightning.  DFS is fussy.  I 
don’t like it.  If I could swap out all the SMs on those DFS sectors for 450b, 
I would probably move them to U-NII-1.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later 
firmware?

 

I read the 16.0.1 release notes, nothing really specific about DFS other than 
it being on when it shouldn't be.  However, I agree there is lots of stuff 
fixed in there, some of which could have repercussions for DFS.

 

Are you saying that mid to late 15.x was generally broken for DFS and this is 
largely fixed in 16.x?   I guess my real question should have been 'What is the 
state of DFS in the 450 platform and how fussy is it'?

 

I'm still gathering information from this customer but it sounds like they're 
still trying to track down the root cause.  Sometime in the past week or so 
they figured out that there was some correlation between the DFS events adding 
a fair bit of PacketFlux gear, so this correlation is now the leading root 
cause in their minds.   So now I get to try to resolve their problem for them. 

 

 

 

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:00 PM Dave mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> > wrote:

If they are not running 16.0.1 nuthing can help them from some weird issues 
with the DFS bands.

 Lots of things corrected in 15.2 and later for EIRP and SNR related 
calculations the help with H/V misreads and A/B channel alignments.

Read the release notes in 16.0.1 for further info.

 

On 7/11/2020 3:12 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I'm working with a customer that is having problems with DFS false hits who is 
convinced this is a PacketFlux sync issue.   I'm never one to say it 
definitively isn't my problem, but I'm skeptical in this case. 

 

I know that at some point in the past that anything beyond 15.0.2 was known to 
have fairly common DFS issues by some customers.   I thought this was resolved 
in later releases, but I also don't see any mention of said issue being 
resolved in any release notes post 15.0.02.

 

I was wondering if anyone knew the current status?  I.E. if they had been 
seeing the problem previously, and then discovered it was fixed.  Or have tried 
recent releases and discovered the problem still exists, etc...

 

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