We have received messages from several people that the level of discord on display between Dima and Matthias makes them feel uncomfortable participating on this email list. To protect the community from this acrimony, we are for now restricting Dima and Matthias to moderated contributions on sage-devel. We are sad in taking this step, and are continuing to work privately with both Dima and Matthias to resolve this conflict. David for the sage-conduct committee
On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 7:30 PM Matthias Koeppe <matthiaskoe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Reported. > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 3:39:56 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 6:14 PM Matthias Koeppe <matthia...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 6:49:11 AM UTC-7 julian...@fsfe.org >>> wrote: >>> >>> We have carefully reviewed [...] >>> >>> We therefore disagree with characterizing opposing opinions as >>> “artificial friction”, “hostile demands”, or an “attempt to sabotage”. >>> Such allegations will have no effect other than to antagonize the other >>> party. This is not helpful in fostering constructive debate. >>> >>> >>> Julian, please, that's highly inappropriate. I'm not characterizing >>> opposing *opinions*. >>> >> >> Matthias, you keep characterizing my input into discussions as >> "persistent abusive conduct", see e.g. your >> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676#issuecomment-2048352139 >> >> I demand a public apology, and a lift of the block on GitHub. >> Else Matthias should be banned from SageMath for a while, if not >> permanently. Enough is enough. >> >> Dima >> >> >>> With this terminology I'm describing the modes of existing, persistent, >>> non-constructive *actions* on these PRs by others. >>> >> >>> These are not "allegations"; what I am describing has been happening in >>> plain sight, is fully documented, and has been reported to the sage-abuse >>> and CoCC committees. As you know, some of these have already led to >>> sanctions by the committees, while I am still waiting for acknowledgment >>> (and clear actions) regarding numerous reported violations of our code of >>> conduct (and reviewing code) by the current committee. >>> >>> I do understand that the new committee is still learning how to >>> recognize and handle abuse; it's a complicated and challenging topic to >>> master. In the meantime, as I have asked the committee in private already, >>> more thoughtful restraint in issuing public reprimands is necessary. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "sage-devel" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/2bdbf209-edc2-4a0d-9b4c-de1c665d406bn%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/2bdbf209-edc2-4a0d-9b4c-de1c665d406bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/4ec2449a-90cc-479a-be88-723f7f9135cfn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/4ec2449a-90cc-479a-be88-723f7f9135cfn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CAChs6_nieEkQP%3DZLTv_ZQge%3Dc7%2BD7zbbjuseRK3tRy%2Bakj_-hA%40mail.gmail.com.
