> 4. Please vote -1 on https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36580, https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36753, and https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/37138, which attempt to obstruct the modularization project and the mechanism for the distribution on PyPI.
Please refrain from such unfounded and wrong accusations. The purpose of these PRs is to solve concrete problems. If there are conflicts with the modularization project, we can discuss these technical questions and try to find a solution (perhaps by changing the PR, or by slightly changing the design of the modularization distributions). Please also don't use the modularization project as a political tool to prevent PR from being merged. For example in https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36753 you claim that it conflicts with the modularization project (and this is then cited by others as the reason for their -1) but so far you have not given a single example where the CI or some documented behavior is actually broken (you only have given slight change in behavior in an artificial edge case). I would also kindly ask the developers working on https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676 to not consider the vote on this PR as a vote on the question weather we should proceed with the whole modularization project. I'm actually a fan of the modularization and would like to see it come into reality. But that doesn't mean that one cannot question certain design choices in the modularization project. Concerning this particular PR, there is no technical need for the addition of these `all_xyz` files and multiple different solutions have to be proposed. Such technical question should be open for discussion, especially since they have not been discussed before (the general program has been discussed on the mailing list, but many details of the modularization project have not). So please let's try to not load the discussion by unnecessary politics. On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 7:30:15 AM UTC+8 Matthias Koeppe wrote: > Reported. > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 3:39:56 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 6:14 PM Matthias Koeppe <matthia...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 6:49:11 AM UTC-7 julian...@fsfe.org >>> wrote: >>> >>> We have carefully reviewed [...] >>> >>> We therefore disagree with characterizing opposing opinions as >>> “artificial friction”, “hostile demands”, or an “attempt to sabotage”. >>> Such allegations will have no effect other than to antagonize the other >>> party. This is not helpful in fostering constructive debate. >>> >>> >>> Julian, please, that's highly inappropriate. I'm not characterizing >>> opposing *opinions*. >>> >> >> Matthias, you keep characterizing my input into discussions as >> "persistent abusive conduct", see e.g. your >> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676#issuecomment-2048352139 >> >> I demand a public apology, and a lift of the block on GitHub. >> Else Matthias should be banned from SageMath for a while, if not >> permanently. Enough is enough. >> >> Dima >> >> >>> With this terminology I'm describing the modes of existing, persistent, >>> non-constructive *actions* on these PRs by others. >>> >> >>> These are not "allegations"; what I am describing has been happening in >>> plain sight, is fully documented, and has been reported to the sage-abuse >>> and CoCC committees. As you know, some of these have already led to >>> sanctions by the committees, while I am still waiting for acknowledgment >>> (and clear actions) regarding numerous reported violations of our code of >>> conduct (and reviewing code) by the current committee. >>> >>> I do understand that the new committee is still learning how to >>> recognize and handle abuse; it's a complicated and challenging topic to >>> master. In the meantime, as I have asked the committee in private already, >>> more thoughtful restraint in issuing public reprimands is necessary. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "sage-devel" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/2bdbf209-edc2-4a0d-9b4c-de1c665d406bn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/2bdbf209-edc2-4a0d-9b4c-de1c665d406bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/5d447573-1574-43d4-9127-7852f51acad9n%40googlegroups.com.
