Dan,
The problem with them getting busted by an AHJ is that no one gets -or is
required to get- a permit for plugging in an appliance. That's how the peeps
are going to view these things and regrettably, that's how they are going to be
marketed. There are far more non-UL and falsely marked UL products on the
market than either of us cares to think about these days and enforcement is
practically nil. Corruption, in our fair country, is so rampant and systemic,
no one even sees it anymore and few care.
Sad.
On Jul 1, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Dan Fink wrote:
Joel;
A few months back, I posted here on the Wrenches List seeking specific code
references regarding this, and of course the NEC hounds were released. It all
started with one of those solar shade companies wanting us to carry their
product line..... and I jumped their ass big time on "dedicated branch circuit"
for sources...Real cordial for a while, they were "seeking to learn more
information"....then all of a sudden, I heard nothing back.
It's a big enough problem that thousands of these non-UL listed grid tie
inverters that "plug into your wall outlet" are being sold on Ebay and
installed , but having US companies build product lines around these things is
far worse. But that's how the law goes -- they might be illegal to install, but
they are legal to buy and sell.
Apparently my rant to them had no effect, even the part about how insurance
companies would deny claims if such equipment were found. I guess maybe so far
it has all burned up in the house fire, with nobody the wiser.
Well, I tried to do my part. In that...."your product line is both illegal and
dangerous. Cease and desist, or you will get sued."
I would be happy to forward all my correspondence with these idiots to any AHJ
that is interested in busting them.
Dan Fink,
Executive Director
Buckville Energy Consulting
Buckville Publications LLC
NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers
970.672.4342 (voicemail)
970.373.1311 (FAX)
On 7/1/2011 6:57 PM, Joel Davidson wrote:
>
> Wrenches,
> We've seen solar shutters displayed recently at two trade shows in the Los
> Angeles area. See http://plugnsaveenergyproducts.com/shutters/ The solar
> shutters use zip cord and the people at the shows were telling people to just
> plug the inverter into a wall outlet. I told them that they were violating
> the NEC and endangering people. They replied that ETL is testing their
> product and said it will get listed and be put on the CEC eligible module
> list. We asked how much power a solar shutter produces when mounted inside a
> window and getting light through the window and frame and if one shutter slat
> shades cells on the slat below it. They replied that their solar shutter
> works and seem to sincerely believe in their product.
> Joel Davidson
>
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