We charge $185 for the first hour and $125 for every hour thereafter if the project is local and more if there is significant travel time. I say this only because the 35/hr guys are killing me and their work is worth the price... I also don't see the lowest price cycle helping the industry.
Andrew Koyaanisqatsi President Solar Energy Solutions, Inc. 503-238-4502 www.solarenergyoregon.com On May 7, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Kristopher Schmid <sol...@legacysolar.com> wrote: > We will be seeing a lot more of this with the big box stores selling solar. > I have already set my rate at 150/hour with a blanket liability form in > anticipation of this kind of work. We can only hope that nobody kills > themselves in the process 'cause you know that it will be the solar energy > and not the deceased homeowner that's blamed in the media. > > On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Jesse Dahl <dahlso...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree completely, and if a homeowner did this kind of work they have to be > told how dangerous it can be. > > > Jesse > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 7, 2011, at 8:43 AM, penobscotso...@midmaine.com wrote: > > > This sounds more like many of the owner-installed systems we see. If the > > customer paid a "professional" for a job like that it is partially that > > clients fault. Those potential clients who don't do their homework often > > get what they pay for...... > > > > Daryl DeJoy > > NABCEP Certified PV installer > > Penobscot Solar Design > > > > > >> <html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; > >> font-size:10pt;"><div>Welcome to the Rodeo partner.. > >> </div><div><br></div><div><br>Dan Brown<br>Foxfire Energy > >> Corp.<br>Renewable Energy Systems<br>(802)-483-2564<br><a > >> href="http://www.Foxfire-Energy.com";>www.Foxfire-Energy.com</a><br>NABCEP > >> #092907-44</div><div><br><br></div> > >> <blockquote id="replyBlockquote" webmail="1" style="border-left: 2px solid > >> blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-size:10pt; color:black; > >> font-family:verdana;"> > >> <div id="wmQuoteWrapper"> > >> -------- Original Message --------<br> > >> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Dangerous installs/installers..<br> > >> From: Jesse Dahl <<a > >> href="mailto:dahlso...@gmail.com";>dahlso...@gmail.com</a>><br> > >> Date: Sat, May 07, 2011 2:45 am<br> > >> To: RE-wrenches <<a > >> href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org";>re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br> > >> <br> > >> <div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span>Wrenches,</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span> The other day on my travels, I came across a very > >> scary small stand-alone hunting shack install. All the wiring is cut > >> extension cords and some UF, the cable from the charge controller to the > >> batteries is an extension cord with the 14s paralleled. mice chewed > >> wire, splices taped and laid on the ground, mis matched modules (least of > >> the problems). not a disco or OCPD to be seen. </span></span><span > >> class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, > >> 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, > >> 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); > >> font-size: medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span>Also a 500W wind generator 100 yards from the battery > >> bank, feed with #10s and then spliced to #12s (most of it just laying on > >> the ground. </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span>Now I think the owner should have some responsibility to > >> stop work when the see things this awful, but what can/should we as an > >> industry do about this? What do we say to people that install stuff like > >> this? Take them to court?</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span>A small 2500w with surge of 5000w inverter was used here > >> with 6 paralleled 12V deep cycle batteries. Powering a few lights and a > >> vacuum at first, a well pump was added later. I could see the lights and > >> vacuum, but a pump? How do you go about wiring the output of an > >> inverter like this? From a receptacle on the inverter to what? This > >> guy cut an extension cord off and splice it to some NM and ran it inside > >> to the loads. No breaker, I just can't get over the fact this guy sleeps > >> at night...</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; ">You should see the photos of this mess...<br></span><span > >> class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, > >> 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, > >> 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); > >> font-size: medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span>Thank you for your thoughts,</span></span><span > >> class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, > >> 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, > >> 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); > >> font-size: medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); > >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); > >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: > >> medium; "><span>Jesse</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" > >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); 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