I agree completely, and if a homeowner did this kind of work they have to be told how dangerous it can be.
Jesse Sent from my iPhone On May 7, 2011, at 8:43 AM, penobscotso...@midmaine.com wrote: > This sounds more like many of the owner-installed systems we see. If the > customer paid a "professional" for a job like that it is partially that > clients fault. Those potential clients who don't do their homework often > get what they pay for...... > > Daryl DeJoy > NABCEP Certified PV installer > Penobscot Solar Design > > >> <html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; >> font-size:10pt;"><div>Welcome to the Rodeo partner.. >> </div><div><br></div><div><br>Dan Brown<br>Foxfire Energy >> Corp.<br>Renewable Energy Systems<br>(802)-483-2564<br><a >> href="http://www.Foxfire-Energy.com";>www.Foxfire-Energy.com</a><br>NABCEP >> #092907-44</div><div><br><br></div> >> <blockquote id="replyBlockquote" webmail="1" style="border-left: 2px solid >> blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-size:10pt; color:black; >> font-family:verdana;"> >> <div id="wmQuoteWrapper"> >> -------- Original Message --------<br> >> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Dangerous installs/installers..<br> >> From: Jesse Dahl <<a >> href="mailto:dahlso...@gmail.com";>dahlso...@gmail.com</a>><br> >> Date: Sat, May 07, 2011 2:45 am<br> >> To: RE-wrenches <<a >> href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org";>re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> <div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span>Wrenches,</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span> The other day on my travels, I came across a very >> scary small stand-alone hunting shack install. All the wiring is cut >> extension cords and some UF, the cable from the charge controller to the >> batteries is an extension cord with the 14s paralleled. mice chewed >> wire, splices taped and laid on the ground, mis matched modules (least of >> the problems). not a disco or OCPD to be seen. </span></span><span >> class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, >> 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, >> 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); >> font-size: medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span>Also a 500W wind generator 100 yards from the battery >> bank, feed with #10s and then spliced to #12s (most of it just laying on >> the ground. </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span>Now I think the owner should have some responsibility to >> stop work when the see things this awful, but what can/should we as an >> industry do about this? What do we say to people that install stuff like >> this? Take them to court?</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span>A small 2500w with surge of 5000w inverter was used here >> with 6 paralleled 12V deep cycle batteries. Powering a few lights and a >> vacuum at first, a well pump was added later. I could see the lights and >> vacuum, but a pump? How do you go about wiring the output of an >> inverter like this? From a receptacle on the inverter to what? This >> guy cut an extension cord off and splice it to some NM and ran it inside >> to the loads. No breaker, I just can't get over the fact this guy sleeps >> at night...</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; ">You should see the photos of this mess...<br></span><span >> class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, >> 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, >> 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); >> font-size: medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span>Thank you for your thoughts,</span></span><span >> class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, >> 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, >> 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); >> font-size: medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); >> -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); >> -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: >> medium; "><span>Jesse</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" >> style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); 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