Also worth noting that the 64 Atlanti changed over the years. Mine from 2001 
has a 62 cm TT. Later on that went to 60 cm on the Toyo ones. (Those are 
lengths before adjusting for TT upslope of 2.5 degrees.)


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> On May 25, 2018, at 6:32 PM, Bob Lovejoy <boblove...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Brent,
> 
> Thanks for doing that!  I think the Sam numbers in the new chart were changed 
> after the initial posting, as the 58cm Sam had a listed ETT of 61.5 (I 
> think).  That has been changed to 60, still a bit longer than the 59cm listed 
> previously but I have no reason to believe it wrong.
> 
> And, yes, you are a lucky guy!  I have two Riv's, an Appaloosa and a Cheviot, 
> but still with Hillborne and/or Atlantis aspirations.
> 
> Thanks again for the report and the measuring.
> 
> Bob
>  
> 
>> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 6:50:40 PM UTC-5, Brent P wrote:
>> I have a Sam, Joe and Atlantis in the stable (lucky guy!) so I pulled out my 
>> spreadsheet. Here's what I found looking at my old vs listed new:
>> 
>> 62 Appaloosa (2017) - no changes to new version
>> 62 Sam (2017, non-canti) - new version has 1 cm more top tube, 3 cm more on 
>> chainstay. Only changes., 
>> 64 Atlantis (2017 MUSA) - this is tougher as there's not a MIT 64. So 
>> comparing my 64 to available 62, the new version has 3 cm more top tube, 72 
>> to a 71.5 on seat and head, and 6.5 cm more length on chainstay. Fork offset 
>> went from 4.5cm to 5.4cm. Standover is 1cm more on MIT 62.
>> 
>> So as I look at it, my Appaloosa is almost identical to a new MIT Atlantis. 
>> I enjoy the difference in length between my MUSA Atlantis and Appaloosa, and 
>> each is comfortable for different rides and reasons. So I'm glad to have the 
>> old 'short' Atlantis around yet. Variety is good!
>> 
>> I do wish my Sam had the longer chainstays of the new, but it's minor 
>> quibble. I keep Sam setup as my dropbar, road tire bike anyways.
>> 
>> Aren't we lucky to have so many options!
>> 
> 
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