I don't recall where but Grant said the new Atlantis and Joe A. were 
functional equivalents. So either would be fine with heavier loads.

On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 1:59:00 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I see the difference between the Sam and the MIT Atlantis. My Joe and Sam 
> ride very differently. What are folks thoughts on the differences between 
> the Toyo Atlantis and the Sam Hillborne besides tire clearance? I would 
> think both have stout tubing and the geometry charts look similar to my 
> layman’s eyes. I love the ride of the Sam and wonder if the Atlantis would 
> provide a similar ride but built better for touring, loaded riding. I am 
> 210 lbs so once loaded down the bike gets heavy quickly. 

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