I noticed the Sam TT numbers as well.  That seems a lot longer. Being 
relatively new to Rivendell bikes I just see the increase of Top Tube and 
Chain Stays in each new model.  

I am curious, for folks who have ridden both, how does the Sam Hillborne 
compare to the old Atlantis (not taking account the tire clearance).  Some 
of the measurements are very similar, and from my understanding, the tubes 
are pretty stout on the SH.  I am currently most enjoying the Rambouilett I 
have and would love a stouter version of it.  I am 210, so with carrying a 
kid and groceries, I know I am well passed the Grant recommended weights.  

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:05:37 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I do agree... It helps me as well, at least I believe it does!
>
> Also, the Sam H. numbers looks off to me.  It shows the 58cm Sam with a 
> 61.5cm (effective?) top tube, the same as the Appaloosa.  That would 
> definitely be a change if correct.
>
> Also, in reference to iamkeith's post... It seems I remember two different 
> sets of geometry numbers around for the Appaloosa.  I just concentrated on 
> the one I thought correct but I did cringe at the potential for confusion.
>
> Bob
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:12:54 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>
>> It seems reach/stack is absent ..... that to me is very useful for 
>> comparisons sake with other models. 
>> I'd very much appreciate it returning 😀
>
>

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