I just measured the CC top tube length for my this-year 58cm canti-Sam 
frameset. I get 58cm. I may be doing it wrong, somehow. But 3.5cm wrong? 
Dunno...

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On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I noticed the Sam TT numbers as well.  That seems a lot longer. Being 
> relatively new to Rivendell bikes I just see the increase of Top Tube and 
> Chain Stays in each new model.  
>
> I am curious, for folks who have ridden both, how does the Sam Hillborne 
> compare to the old Atlantis (not taking account the tire clearance).  Some 
> of the measurements are very similar, and from my understanding, the tubes 
> are pretty stout on the SH.  I am currently most enjoying the Rambouilett I 
> have and would love a stouter version of it.  I am 210, so with carrying a 
> kid and groceries, I know I am well passed the Grant recommended weights.  
>
> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:05:37 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> I do agree... It helps me as well, at least I believe it does!
>>
>> Also, the Sam H. numbers looks off to me.  It shows the 58cm Sam with a 
>> 61.5cm (effective?) top tube, the same as the Appaloosa.  That would 
>> definitely be a change if correct.
>>
>> Also, in reference to iamkeith's post... It seems I remember two 
>> different sets of geometry numbers around for the Appaloosa.  I just 
>> concentrated on the one I thought correct but I did cringe at the potential 
>> for confusion.
>>
>> Bob
>> Galesburg, IL
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:12:54 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems reach/stack is absent ..... that to me is very useful for 
>>> comparisons sake with other models. 
>>> I'd very much appreciate it returning 😀
>>
>>

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