Sorry I'll say more than "it bothers me". It's an invite-only system
that seems counter to the principals of contributing to an open source
project. Even with its irc support enabled.

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Michael Merickel <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'll go ahead and be that guy who says he doesn't like seeing his open
> source community move away from irc.  Sure slack may work with irc but
> is there actually a problem with just using irc?? This is maybe the
> 2nd or 3rd pyramid discussion I'm seeing offloaded to slack and it
> bothers me.
>
> Back to the original discussion, why the sudden push for subdomains?
> We could easily just re-org things under pylonsproject.org and make it
> significantly easier to secure with https in the future.
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Bert JW Regeer <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Speaking of Slack, what’s the info and how could I join?
>>
>> Bert
>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 15:55, Paul Everitt <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Blaise Laflamme <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're right about this issue and I think time has come to do something.
>>>>
>>>> Me and Paul started some efforts on this and never finished it but we were 
>>>> on a good track I think. What I suggested him lately was to streamline and 
>>>> narrow the original scope and start work on unifying what we have.
>>>>
>>>> For sure I need to finish the brand stuff I already started and spread it 
>>>> across what we already have online but we also need to rethink how the 
>>>> information is structured and how we relate everything.
>>>>
>>>> I propose to move this discussion over slack :)
>>>
>>> Sounds fun. Let’s create a #pylons there..oh wait, we don’t want to 
>>> perpetuate the word “Pylons”…oh wait, we want to reinforce it as an 
>>> umbrella. Core dump. :)
>>>
>>> I think a Slack channel would be good.
>>>
>>> —Paul
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 26, 2014 1:56:07 AM UTC-5, Sontek wrote:
>>>> There is a lot of confusion around the "Pylons" organization and I think 
>>>> in general our http://www.pylonsproject.org/ website doesn't help 
>>>> alleviate any of that confusion.  For example you can't even go to 
>>>> http://www.pylonsproject.org/projects and get a list of Pylons projects, 
>>>> this just redirects to Pyramid's about page.
>>>>
>>>> I feel we should decide which are "official" pylons projects and make it 
>>>> extremely obvious which ones fall under this umbrella.  Off the top of my 
>>>> head the following are ones probably worth listing under this umbrella:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/Pylons/colander
>>>> https://github.com/Pylons/deform
>>>> https://github.com/Pylons/substanced
>>>> https://github.com/Pylons/venusian
>>>> https://github.com/Pylons/waitress
>>>> https://github.com/Pylons/webtest
>>>> https://github.com/Pylons/webob
>>>>
>>>> Now they all already live under the /Pylons/ organization on github but 
>>>> there are plenty of less "complete" projects underneath that organization 
>>>> that makes it hard to track down which are ready for prime time.
>>>>
>>>> The other big issue is a lot of these live under their domain, under 
>>>> pythonpaste.org, or don't have a website outside of readthedocs at all.
>>>>
>>>> I propose that we create subdomains for each of them and make sure to be 
>>>> consistent on including a footer that mentions that they are pylons 
>>>> projects.  This would be similar to how the Apache organization manages 
>>>> their projects:
>>>>
>>>> http://kafka.apache.org/
>>>> https://spark.apache.org/
>>>> http://cassandra.apache.org/
>>>>
>>>> and how pocoo does it:
>>>>
>>>> http://flask.pocoo.org/
>>>> http://click.pocoo.org/
>>>> http://werkzeug.pocoo.org/
>>>>
>>>> It would probably also make sense to try to maintain a more consistent 
>>>> brand across each projects website as well. Allowing each project to have 
>>>> some personality of their own will be important by keeping a standard 
>>>> color scheme and layout would help people recognize a pylons project 
>>>> immediately.
>>>>
>>>> What do you wonderful humans think?
>>>>
>>>> - sontek
>>>>
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