> On Dec 26, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Blaise Laflamme <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> You're right about this issue and I think time has come to do something.
> 
> Me and Paul started some efforts on this and never finished it but we were on 
> a good track I think. What I suggested him lately was to streamline and 
> narrow the original scope and start work on unifying what we have.
> 
> For sure I need to finish the brand stuff I already started and spread it 
> across what we already have online but we also need to rethink how the 
> information is structured and how we relate everything.
> 
> I propose to move this discussion over slack :)

Sounds fun. Let’s create a #pylons there..oh wait, we don’t want to perpetuate 
the word “Pylons”…oh wait, we want to reinforce it as an umbrella. Core dump. :)

I think a Slack channel would be good.

—Paul

> 
> On Friday, December 26, 2014 1:56:07 AM UTC-5, Sontek wrote:
> There is a lot of confusion around the "Pylons" organization and I think in 
> general our http://www.pylonsproject.org/ <http://www.pylonsproject.org/> 
> website doesn't help alleviate any of that confusion.  For example you can't 
> even go to http://www.pylonsproject.org/projects 
> <http://www.pylonsproject.org/projects> and get a list of Pylons projects, 
> this just redirects to Pyramid's about page.
> 
> I feel we should decide which are "official" pylons projects and make it 
> extremely obvious which ones fall under this umbrella.  Off the top of my 
> head the following are ones probably worth listing under this umbrella:
> 
> https://github.com/Pylons/colander <https://github.com/Pylons/colander>
> https://github.com/Pylons/deform <https://github.com/Pylons/deform>
> https://github.com/Pylons/substanced <https://github.com/Pylons/substanced>
> https://github.com/Pylons/venusian <https://github.com/Pylons/venusian>
> https://github.com/Pylons/waitress <https://github.com/Pylons/waitress>
> https://github.com/Pylons/webtest <https://github.com/Pylons/webtest>
> https://github.com/Pylons/webob <https://github.com/Pylons/webob>
> 
> Now they all already live under the /Pylons/ organization on github but there 
> are plenty of less "complete" projects underneath that organization that 
> makes it hard to track down which are ready for prime time.
> 
> The other big issue is a lot of these live under their domain, under 
> pythonpaste.org <http://pythonpaste.org/>, or don't have a website outside of 
> readthedocs at all. 
> 
> I propose that we create subdomains for each of them and make sure to be 
> consistent on including a footer that mentions that they are pylons projects. 
>  This would be similar to how the Apache organization manages their projects:
> 
> http://kafka.apache.org/ <http://kafka.apache.org/>
> https://spark.apache.org/ <https://spark.apache.org/>
> http://cassandra.apache.org/ <http://cassandra.apache.org/>
> 
> and how pocoo does it:
> 
> http://flask.pocoo.org/ <http://flask.pocoo.org/>
> http://click.pocoo.org/ <http://click.pocoo.org/>
> http://werkzeug.pocoo.org/ <http://werkzeug.pocoo.org/>
> 
> It would probably also make sense to try to maintain a more consistent brand 
> across each projects website as well. Allowing each project to have some 
> personality of their own will be important by keeping a standard color scheme 
> and layout would help people recognize a pylons project immediately.
> 
> What do you wonderful humans think?
> 
> - sontek
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