So far coding solo with git and filetree has been painless and straightforward for me, I use github for public and gitlab for private projects. I do not use configurations other than copy pasting one for adding my project in Package browser. I do not use versioner because a simple copy paste is enough. I do not use iceberg I prefer my favourite git client "gitup". My experience has been both simpler, easier and far more reliable than working with the pharo vcs and smalltalkhub. But I was already familiar with git because I was already an experienced python coder , and still am, way before working with Pharo.
I have made a tutorial about Pharo and git that can be viewed here. Its with sourcetree not gitup because gitup is only available for macos and I wanted to make a tutorial that would work on all 3 major desktop OSes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2WNYDtO0cE On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:56 PM Thierry Goubier <thierry.goub...@gmail.com> wrote: > Le 11/05/2017 à 20:52, Stephane Ducasse a écrit : > > Joachim > > > > many people are using Pharo to develop ***COMPLEX*** Pharo applications > > and it works. They use monticello and metacello and it works. > > So you do not have to have Github to make great software in Pharo. > > > > Now in addition many people are using github to build complex > applications > > with github. > > And people have been building complex applications with Monticello, > Metacello and Github... > > Thierry > > > > > Stef > > > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Norbert Hartl <norb...@hartl.name > > <mailto:norb...@hartl.name>> wrote: > > > > > >> Am 11.05.2017 um 08:54 schrieb jtuc...@objektfabrik.de > >> <mailto:jtuc...@objektfabrik.de>: > >> > >> Hi Norbert, > >> > >> thanks for your explanations. > >> So it seems liek I should start by using Pharo6 and load Iceberg > >> and just take a look. > >> > > Yes, iceberg has still some issues but is usable and it will evolve > > quickly. If you are the brave type of guy you can start with pharo6 > > 64bits ;) > > > > Norbert > > > >> Joachim > >> > >> > >> > >> Am 10.05.17 um 10:34 schrieb Norbert Hartl: > >>> Hi Joachim, > >>> > >>> I think your timing is quite good. We had some changes in the > >>> last years and it is getting better now. > >>> Before we had only monticello. Monticello is a zip container that > >>> contains a version number in the filename and prior version > >>> pointer inside the repository. Regarding dependencies there was > >>> nothing that was used widely. Then Metacello appeared and solved > >>> the problem by providing dependency management and versioning of > >>> dependencies. Dependency management works good, the integrated > >>> versioning has issues. Especially when you look at a system like > >>> git you can see that versioning is solved there. Filetree is > >>> needed because git and other vcs systems are file based so you > >>> need to layout your code in files (how quaint!) > >>> To make a long story short: The best thing to use is git with > >>> Metacello Baselines. Filetree is used to store code. Versioning > >>> you do with git tags that can be used in Baselines. Now we have a > >>> decent UI (iceberg) that supports the most needed workflow items. > >>> We have a UI for the dependency management as well (versionner) > >>> but it sadly targets ConfigurationOfs and not BaselineOfs. That > >>> needs to be changed. > >>> > >>> my 2 cents, > >>> > >>> Norbert > >>> > >>>> Am 10.05.2017 um 07:56 schrieb Joachim Tuchel > >>>> <jtuc...@objektfabrik.de <mailto:jtuc...@objektfabrik.de>>: > >>>> > >>>> Hi guys, > >>>> > >>>> please forgive me if this mail is a sign of ignorance. I am not > >>>> a regular Pharo user and one of the reasons for this is that I > >>>> didn't like most of the source management tools around > >>>> Monticello. Coming from an envy background, it feels like not > >>>> being ready for prime time. Of course you guys have been proving > >>>> you can work with these tools quite well, but still I'd be > >>>> interested in using Pharo in a pure git-based environment, as it > >>>> most closely resembles some of the most-beloved features of envy. > >>>> > >>>> Over the years there was a lot of work and discussion on > >>>> filetree, gitfiletree, iceberg, cypress and maybe quite a few > >>>> other projects that sounded promising and interesting. But I > >>>> must admit I lost track of what was really done and how far > >>>> things went in the last years. > >>>> > >>>> So are there any pointers to info material that I could look at > >>>> to see what the current status of source control in Pharo 5 and > >>>> Pharo 6 is and/or will be soon? > >>>> > >>>> I am mostly interested in these topics: > >>>> > >>>> * git only - no monticello meta info any more - possible? > >>>> * tools like merge/diff, committing from within the image > >>>> * dependencies within my own project as well as dependencies > >>>> on external code in - possibly multiple - external > repositories > >>>> * what is the current "most official" source repository for > >>>> open source code? > >>>> * best practices for managing complex projects and keeping old > >>>> versions reproducible at any time > >>>> * tutorial for git newbies in a Pharo context? (Like, how do I > >>>> start with a new packege - create folder first and do git > >>>> init, or start in the image and push into repo later? as I > >>>> said: beginners' stuff) > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for pointers and help > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Joachim > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuc...@objektfabrik.de > >> Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de < > http://www.objektfabrik.de/> > >> D-71640 Ludwigsburg > http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com > >> <http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com/> > >> Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > >> > > > > > > >
