Hi again,
seems like I am too early. I just downloaded Pharo-60484 and loaded
Iceberg from the Catalog Browser and I get a Walkbacks as answer to
almost any click I perform ;-)
So I'll better start with the docs suggested in this thread to be ready
once Iceberg is ;-)
Joachim
Am 10.05.17 um 10:34 schrieb Norbert Hartl:
Hi Joachim,
I think your timing is quite good. We had some changes in the last
years and it is getting better now.
Before we had only monticello. Monticello is a zip container that
contains a version number in the filename and prior version pointer
inside the repository. Regarding dependencies there was nothing that
was used widely. Then Metacello appeared and solved the problem by
providing dependency management and versioning of dependencies.
Dependency management works good, the integrated versioning has
issues. Especially when you look at a system like git you can see that
versioning is solved there. Filetree is needed because git and other
vcs systems are file based so you need to layout your code in files
(how quaint!)
To make a long story short: The best thing to use is git with
Metacello Baselines. Filetree is used to store code. Versioning you do
with git tags that can be used in Baselines. Now we have a decent UI
(iceberg) that supports the most needed workflow items.
We have a UI for the dependency management as well (versionner) but it
sadly targets ConfigurationOfs and not BaselineOfs. That needs to be
changed.
my 2 cents,
Norbert
Am 10.05.2017 um 07:56 schrieb Joachim Tuchel
<jtuc...@objektfabrik.de <mailto:jtuc...@objektfabrik.de>>:
Hi guys,
please forgive me if this mail is a sign of ignorance. I am not a
regular Pharo user and one of the reasons for this is that I didn't
like most of the source management tools around Monticello. Coming
from an envy background, it feels like not being ready for prime
time. Of course you guys have been proving you can work with these
tools quite well, but still I'd be interested in using Pharo in a
pure git-based environment, as it most closely resembles some of the
most-beloved features of envy.
Over the years there was a lot of work and discussion on filetree,
gitfiletree, iceberg, cypress and maybe quite a few other projects
that sounded promising and interesting. But I must admit I lost track
of what was really done and how far things went in the last years.
So are there any pointers to info material that I could look at to
see what the current status of source control in Pharo 5 and Pharo 6
is and/or will be soon?
I am mostly interested in these topics:
* git only - no monticello meta info any more - possible?
* tools like merge/diff, committing from within the image
* dependencies within my own project as well as dependencies on
external code in - possibly multiple - external repositories
* what is the current "most official" source repository for open
source code?
* best practices for managing complex projects and keeping old
versions reproducible at any time
* tutorial for git newbies in a Pharo context? (Like, how do I
start with a new packege - create folder first and do git init,
or start in the image and push into repo later? as I said:
beginners' stuff)
Thanks for pointers and help
Joachim
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