Joachim many people are using Pharo to develop ***COMPLEX*** Pharo applications and it works. They use monticello and metacello and it works. So you do not have to have Github to make great software in Pharo.
Now in addition many people are using github to build complex applications with github. Stef On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Norbert Hartl <norb...@hartl.name> wrote: > > Am 11.05.2017 um 08:54 schrieb jtuc...@objektfabrik.de: > > Hi Norbert, > > thanks for your explanations. > So it seems liek I should start by using Pharo6 and load Iceberg and just > take a look. > > Yes, iceberg has still some issues but is usable and it will evolve > quickly. If you are the brave type of guy you can start with pharo6 64bits > ;) > > Norbert > > Joachim > > > > Am 10.05.17 um 10:34 schrieb Norbert Hartl: > > Hi Joachim, > > I think your timing is quite good. We had some changes in the last years > and it is getting better now. > Before we had only monticello. Monticello is a zip container that contains > a version number in the filename and prior version pointer inside the > repository. Regarding dependencies there was nothing that was used widely. > Then Metacello appeared and solved the problem by providing dependency > management and versioning of dependencies. Dependency management works > good, the integrated versioning has issues. Especially when you look at a > system like git you can see that versioning is solved there. Filetree is > needed because git and other vcs systems are file based so you need to > layout your code in files (how quaint!) > To make a long story short: The best thing to use is git with Metacello > Baselines. Filetree is used to store code. Versioning you do with git tags > that can be used in Baselines. Now we have a decent UI (iceberg) that > supports the most needed workflow items. > We have a UI for the dependency management as well (versionner) but it > sadly targets ConfigurationOfs and not BaselineOfs. That needs to be > changed. > > my 2 cents, > > Norbert > > Am 10.05.2017 um 07:56 schrieb Joachim Tuchel <jtuc...@objektfabrik.de>: > > Hi guys, > > please forgive me if this mail is a sign of ignorance. I am not a regular > Pharo user and one of the reasons for this is that I didn't like most of > the source management tools around Monticello. Coming from an envy > background, it feels like not being ready for prime time. Of course you > guys have been proving you can work with these tools quite well, but still > I'd be interested in using Pharo in a pure git-based environment, as it > most closely resembles some of the most-beloved features of envy. > > Over the years there was a lot of work and discussion on filetree, > gitfiletree, iceberg, cypress and maybe quite a few other projects that > sounded promising and interesting. But I must admit I lost track of what > was really done and how far things went in the last years. > > So are there any pointers to info material that I could look at to see > what the current status of source control in Pharo 5 and Pharo 6 is and/or > will be soon? > > I am mostly interested in these topics: > > - git only - no monticello meta info any more - possible? > - tools like merge/diff, committing from within the image > - dependencies within my own project as well as dependencies on > external code in - possibly multiple - external repositories > - what is the current "most official" source repository for open > source code? > - best practices for managing complex projects and keeping old > versions reproducible at any time > - tutorial for git newbies in a Pharo context? (Like, how do I start > with a new packege - create folder first and do git init, or start in the > image and push into repo later? as I said: beginners' stuff) > > Thanks for pointers and help > > > Joachim > > > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuc...@objektfabrik.de > <jtuc...@objektfabrik.de> > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > > >
