Le 11/05/2017 à 20:52, Stephane Ducasse a écrit :
Joachim
many people are using Pharo to develop ***COMPLEX*** Pharo applications
and it works. They use monticello and metacello and it works.
So you do not have to have Github to make great software in Pharo.
Now in addition many people are using github to build complex applications
with github.
And people have been building complex applications with Monticello,
Metacello and Github...
Thierry
Stef
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Norbert Hartl <norb...@hartl.name
<mailto:norb...@hartl.name>> wrote:
Am 11.05.2017 um 08:54 schrieb jtuc...@objektfabrik.de
<mailto:jtuc...@objektfabrik.de>:
Hi Norbert,
thanks for your explanations.
So it seems liek I should start by using Pharo6 and load Iceberg
and just take a look.
Yes, iceberg has still some issues but is usable and it will evolve
quickly. If you are the brave type of guy you can start with pharo6
64bits ;)
Norbert
Joachim
Am 10.05.17 um 10:34 schrieb Norbert Hartl:
Hi Joachim,
I think your timing is quite good. We had some changes in the
last years and it is getting better now.
Before we had only monticello. Monticello is a zip container that
contains a version number in the filename and prior version
pointer inside the repository. Regarding dependencies there was
nothing that was used widely. Then Metacello appeared and solved
the problem by providing dependency management and versioning of
dependencies. Dependency management works good, the integrated
versioning has issues. Especially when you look at a system like
git you can see that versioning is solved there. Filetree is
needed because git and other vcs systems are file based so you
need to layout your code in files (how quaint!)
To make a long story short: The best thing to use is git with
Metacello Baselines. Filetree is used to store code. Versioning
you do with git tags that can be used in Baselines. Now we have a
decent UI (iceberg) that supports the most needed workflow items.
We have a UI for the dependency management as well (versionner)
but it sadly targets ConfigurationOfs and not BaselineOfs. That
needs to be changed.
my 2 cents,
Norbert
Am 10.05.2017 um 07:56 schrieb Joachim Tuchel
<jtuc...@objektfabrik.de <mailto:jtuc...@objektfabrik.de>>:
Hi guys,
please forgive me if this mail is a sign of ignorance. I am not
a regular Pharo user and one of the reasons for this is that I
didn't like most of the source management tools around
Monticello. Coming from an envy background, it feels like not
being ready for prime time. Of course you guys have been proving
you can work with these tools quite well, but still I'd be
interested in using Pharo in a pure git-based environment, as it
most closely resembles some of the most-beloved features of envy.
Over the years there was a lot of work and discussion on
filetree, gitfiletree, iceberg, cypress and maybe quite a few
other projects that sounded promising and interesting. But I
must admit I lost track of what was really done and how far
things went in the last years.
So are there any pointers to info material that I could look at
to see what the current status of source control in Pharo 5 and
Pharo 6 is and/or will be soon?
I am mostly interested in these topics:
* git only - no monticello meta info any more - possible?
* tools like merge/diff, committing from within the image
* dependencies within my own project as well as dependencies
on external code in - possibly multiple - external repositories
* what is the current "most official" source repository for
open source code?
* best practices for managing complex projects and keeping old
versions reproducible at any time
* tutorial for git newbies in a Pharo context? (Like, how do I
start with a new packege - create folder first and do git
init, or start in the image and push into repo later? as I
said: beginners' stuff)
Thanks for pointers and help
Joachim
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