On 26 Feb 2014, at 19:16, Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Stef > > I'm dragging and dropping in a fresh install > > first the image with the install > > then quit and again drag-drop the numbered image from latest.zip as copied > in by me manually ( only manual step after target dir named for install ) > > I have some neuro-motor issues now, but they mostly impact my typing skills > ... there is only one EXE in the folder and I go slowly on the touchpad, so > this is not on me in any obvious thumbs-fumble ( the only way I go now - slow > and fumbliing ;-) > > Then I just do my most regular "flip about" routine ... we used to call it > "kicking the tires" ... a pilot can have a pre-flight walk-around protocol > because the design of the plane did not change since it last landed ;-) Explain to us what you do exactly. Record a video if necessary. We want to chase these bugs if any. Stef > > regards > > robert > spelling via Google gmail > > > > > > On 26 February 2014 09:07, Pharo4Stef <pharo4s...@free.fr> wrote: > robert > > Are you sure that you really use the latest version? > Because I do not see why opening a window would be platform specific and I > could not reproduce this problem. > So do you have a real way to reproduce the problem? can you send us the > debuglog? > And BTW Pharo is our and your system and we work all to make it better so no > need to be pushy it does not help. > > Stef > > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:38, Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> regardless ... >> >> I did a sanity check on the contents of yesterday's latest.zip and hit a >> walkback >> >> I then did a sanity check on the latest 3.0 installer and hit a different >> walkback. >> >> At least on Win XP 3.1 that does not feel like Beta but like alpha, in my >> experience. Unstable. >> >> Sanity check for a Smalltalk image >> >> open a browser >> open a workspace >> flip about in the browser [across packages, classes, instance view, class >> view, implementors and callers >> DoIt from workspace [never got here either time ; I would do smthg like a >> ProfStef or call up a browser ; no set routine as that way lies madness ] >> >> AND while doing the above, flip between windows, max /min [ I have been >> doing this for years ... it takes only a couple of minutes - it is not a >> step-wise protocol .... that would result in missing things that you >> wouldn't expect - and it is in NO way exhaustive ... it is just a sanity >> check ( Do you know what year it is? Who is the President of USA ? What is >> today's date ? How did you get here ? Do you know why you were >> [arrested/admitted/removed from the aircraft/booted outa the bar ... ) ] >> >> Hunch ONLY : >> >> Likely culprit ... each time I also opened for future use (and to have some >> frames open >> Metacello browser >> the 2 help items off the main popup menu (one general; one Tutorials - a >> new user is likely to do so ) >> >> I suspect one of the latter, based on Last Class Changed for that image ... >> but that will be my hunch for now ... >> >> ciao >> >> r >> >> >> >> >> On 26 February 2014 07:18, Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:30, Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> "BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community." >>> >>> This still rankles ... I have been a Smalltalker since long before Squeak >>> and have been using Pharo since Seaside first ran on it - if not earlier >>> than that ... >>> >>> I also received from another on the mail list >>> >>> "and in fact I cannot reproduce it." >>> >>> "And in fact" is such a wicked rhetorical move ... in a game I have lost >>> all interest in playing now that I am retired. >> >> it is not. >> it was just saying that I tried your problem and I could not reproduce it. >> It was not to been rethorical or anything, just pointing a fact. >> I’m interested (and is also my job) on having the best and stable version of >> Pharo possible. >> I’m so interested that I was at 10min from leaving a my house to take an 10h >> fly and I sit to try to reproduce your problem. >> So, please… do not misinterpret the contents of the mail. It was an attempt >> to have an understanding of the problem, in an effort to help. >> An effort, btw, that sometimes is not easy, because we do not have all the >> elements to make the diagnostic… >> >>> >>> It may take me a lot of effort to track these 2 bugs down as far as "Follow >>> these steps to reproduce" .. but then I am not a CONSORTIUM member ( I used >>> to pay big bucks for Smalltalk, back in the day ) so may be I am too far >>> outside the "whole community".... btw. >> >> The community is here. In this list. Around the list. >> Consortium is for companies willing to contribute with some money support >> (and so is the association for individuals), because things cost effort and >> effort implies time and time implies money. >> We always try to solve the problems of everybody (we, the community, >> including yourself), because that’s the best for all… so do not put yourself >> outside in a way we never say/act/even think about. >> We want to help you. >> >>> >>> I will spare you my plot's view of the term "stable" and the notion of >>> stability ... and will be sure I rename key files as I go along ... [ why >>> are we still having to rename files such as these when able to run multiple >>> images in the same dir ? ] >> >> Your pov about stability can be ok. What is not ok is such amount of >> negativity over a simple fact: we has not been able to reproduce your >> problem (but you avoid the other obvious fact: we tried to reproduce it. So >> we did not ignored you). >> >> Again, I try to help, as everybody in the community… but such a negative >> over-reaction is probably just compared to my own overeacted answer :) >> >> Esteban >> >> >>> >>> ciao >>> >>> >>> >>> On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu> wrote: >>> >>> On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI >>> > >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for >>> > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil >>> > >>> > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that >>> > toggle back. >>> > >>> > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be unstable ? >>> >>> I can't reproduce this either, please be more specific. >>> >>> BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community. Of course, >>> it is a complex piece of code with lots of UI and system interactions, so >>> issues are always possible. >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
