Hi!
Yes thanks much for that one.
Thats what i mostly do to but ofcourse i do like good sounding devices too.
/A
> On 15 Feb 2016, at 07:45, André van Deventer <andred...@webafrica.org.za>
> wrote:
>
> One thing I have been wondering about.
>
> If a group of audiofiles are put in a room and not told what they are
> listening to, will they really be able to hear the difference between
> different formats of audio reproduction.
>
> I always use the analogy of wine tasting. If you are not told beforehand
> what you are drinking, will you really be able to taste the difference
> between what would be considered a good drinking wine at a reasonable price
> and a so-called superior one with also a higher price tag? I believe I once
> read about a group of wine tasters who were given different wines to taste
> without them knowing what they were tasting. And it turned out that in some
> cases they actually enjoyed the cheaper wines more!
>
> I like my red and dry white wine but I am in no way a expert. I just like a
> good drinking wine that I can enjoy with good friends.
>
> I knew a man once who spent thousands of dollars on the best audio equipment
> he could find at that time. He could talk to you about the qualities of each
> of these superb systems. But the interesting thing is that he had a very
> small record collection and had little knowledge of the music he listened to.
> So he was listening more to the audio quality than the to the music itself.
>
> I suspect that most individuals are like me and my wine drinking habits - you
> just need to enjoy what you are having. In the end they want a decent
> sounding system with a lot of music to simply enjoy. You don't want to
> listen to every finest nuance but want a decent sounding system for a decent
> price. After all, many of us listen to our favourite music when doing
> something around the house very often. I believe in the end the enjoyment
> should be in the music with decent sound and not necessarily all kinds of
> fine points. It is often happened to me that I was looking for a specific
> song or album and that I could only get it at a lower bitrate say 192 kbps.
> I would then gladly take it while looking for it in another higher bitrate.
> But in the meantime I will just enjoy the music and be glad that I have it!
>
> Please don't misunderstand me - I also like good sound out of my system -
> that is why I am getting the B&W mm-1 desktop speakers, but my main aim in
> listening to music is to enjoy the music!
>
> So I lift my glaas of nice ordinary red wine to all lovers of good music for
> the sake of music!
>
> Andre
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
> Sent: 14 February 2016 07:59 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>
> I don't think it's the case anymore that vinyl sounds better than digital
> music or even CD although I can remember a time when it did. I used to have a
> fairly large LP collection in the eighties and I was so disappointed when I
> bought my first CDs because they were so flat and lifeless with noticeably
> less detail. Since the turn of the century digital recording and production
> techniques have improved to the point that digital can capture the richness
> and detail of a performance.
>
> Usually there's one serious and unnecessary exemption. Most digital
> recordings compress the relative loudness of instruments and vocals into one
> narrow band so that much of the dynamics of the music are lost. This
> technique isn't inherent to digital but is a production standard to make
> music easier to hear at any volume; it's more convenient for radio
> broadcasting and for compressing down into lossy formats. The exception is
> usually in the classical or jazz genres. Vinyl tends to escape this level of
> over production.
>
> Having said that, digital HD recordings are some of the best recordings I've
> ever heard. This despite the fact I know I personally don't hear higher
> frequencies the way I used to when I was younger due to the natural roll-off
> as you get older. By the way, before anyone gets too smug, this process
> starts in your early twenties. Check out the Mosquito Anti-Loitering device
> for a device that works on the principle of an annoying sound that only
> teenagers can hear but the rest of us can't.
>
> Just to go back to Dane's query about how to describe a high quality DAC, or
> any Hi Fidelity audio for that matter, I think it is about presence. The more
> an artist or piece of music sounds real, like you could almost reach out and
> touch it, like it's a performance and not just a recording, then the closer
> you are to pure audio quality. Sadly, at least for the wallet, this also
> depends on the other equipment you're using but the starting point has to be
> the source signal. There's no question the simplest and cheapest way to
> achieve this nowadays is via a good DAC headphone amp and a good set of
> headphones.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit
> Campos
> Sent: 14 February 2016 14:09
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>
> Ah yeah, that's true. I mean with the CD there was the CD man. Though I'm not
> sure those ixist no more. I had a sony 1.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
> Trethowan
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 12:14 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>
> Yep fair question.
>
> You talked about those extra frequencies, an LP record - played on a
> reasonable turntable through a reasonable Hi-Fi setup exhibits some of those
> extra frequencies you would find in HD audio thus listeners often talk about
> the difference between CD and record.
>
> As for me? Well if people want their LP records and so on then that s fine
> but I prefer the convenience of CD or Hd Audio thanks - preferably HD audio -
> <smile>.
>
>
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 4:04 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard an LP record. So can't judge. But
>> it does raze the question my mind, how could it compare to 192 KHZ 24 bit
>> LPCM?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:53 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>
>> And that s why so many people say the LP records Sound better than CD S.
>>
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 1:15 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than you
>>> can actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data
>>> points of your source.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>>
>>> Ah yes, hearing frequency s makes all the difference though it mightn t be
>>> obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give
>>> the music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded
>>> sound stage, if this weren t the case the studios wouldn t bother making
>>> master recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For
>>>> instance when on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte
>>>> always points out that he can't really appreciate what higher sample
>>>> rate and bit death does for the music as well but as he always says
>>>> making fun of himself he has old ears. He's 58. So he says he can't
>>>> hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss since he's always been in
>>>> Radio and has had headphones on pretty loud he says that may have busted
>>>> some of his hearing too.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>>>
>>>> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else
>>>> and you pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about
>>>> people getting what they could afford to buy and that's fair enough
>>>> as I'm in that boat too however I do look around for the good audio
>>>> and if it means I have to save and wait? Well so be it and that
>>>> attitude has proven its worth beyond question.
>>>>
>>>> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the
>>>> point I was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to
>>>> describe the audio difference to someone between what you hear
>>>> through a DAC and most audio equipment and the difference is certainly
>>>> that of night and day.
>>>>
>>>> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though
>>>> certainly you need some decent speakers or some reasonable
>>>> headphones, you're not going to notice all that much with your $2
>>>> earbuds which a lot of people are perfectly happy with.
>>>>
>>>> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're
>>>> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference
>>>> when you start listening to music on CD'S and so on through
>>>> reasonable equipment and the difference is even more pronounced when you
>>>> turn on that DAC <smile>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when
>>>>> hifi nerds
>>>> speak out their minds.
>>>>> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
>>>>> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
>>>>> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want
>>>>> good
>>>> audio quality.
>>>>> TO be honest i don't hear some differences other might talk about
>>>>> and
>>>> people may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but
>>>> i don't care.
>>>>> I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble
>>>>> and not
>>>> critisize them for having their analog system for example.
>>>>> I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
>>>>> We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
>>>>> Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
>>>>> /A
>>>>>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt
>>>>>> about
>>>> it in my mind that they do truly enhance the music listening whether
>>>> it be through a good pair of speakers or through headphones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay fine so how do you tell someone just how good a DAC actually
>>>>>> is when
>>>> they're stuck in "The Analogue World" for want of a better description.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You tell them about your DAC and they say something like, "Yep but
>>>>>> I've
>>>> got this CD player or that Sound Card", fact is though that its
>>>> still analogue and - unless you've gone out of your way to buy some
>>>> top notch gear
>>>> - and most people don't as they don't walk into Hi-Fi specialist
>>>> shops
>>>> - then they just have no idea what they're missing so how does one
>>>> describe that in words?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only really good description I can think of is that a DAC
>>>>>> enhances
>>>> and expands the sound stage - in other words you get far more detail
>>>> of the music -, the instruments are heard as you've most likely
>>>> never heard them before if you've been listening to analogue equipment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I went looking for a DAC for someone last night and even I got a
>>>>>> shock
>>>> when I saw the prices they were selling for, one can buy a DAC which
>>>> handles sampling rates from 32-96KHZ for $40 Australian, not the DAC
>>>> for me given I have 192KHZ/24 Bit material here but its a good starting
>>>> point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt whether it would come anywhere near my Rotel when it comes
>>>>>> to
>>>> performance and the like but again, a good starting point for anyone
>>>> who wants to get into the DAC game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14/02/2016 5:49 AM, John Gurd wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Mary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you would notice a massive difference. I haven't heard
>>>>>>> the Oppo PM3s but judging by the reviews they are certainly on a
>>>>>>> par with the P7s and would sound incredible with the HA-2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Dane Trethowan
>>>>>>> Sent: 13 February 2016 18:03
>>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very definitely
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 5:01 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting. I wonder if it would help the sound on my Nexus 6.
>>>>>>>> Something should!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oppo makes a pair of headphones that seem to be quite favorably
>>>>>>>> reviewed, at least by amazon purchasers. These are the pm-3, and
>>>>>>>> they sell for a cool 400 bucks, so not cheap. One reviewer even
>>>>>>>> compared them favorably with the P7.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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