I think we all agree that android java is not that hard to get into. Yes, there will be some pain and agony, but it just doesn't seem to be that hard. Heck, if I can figure it out, it can't be too bad.
The thing that concerns me is that objectiveC animal. I tried this once and my hair turned white. I am also really concerned about the legal ramifications of this. I just don't see how Miguel and company don't get tied up in the courts on this one. Of course, I'll re-examine as time goes forward. No real reason to create a locked down position at this point in time. From: t...@opgenorth.net Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:57:25 -0600 To: monodroid@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store Agreed. There are lots of times I find myself wishing for some C# goodness in Java, but that's minor. Trying to get up to speed on ObjectiveC is not something I'm looking forward to however. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 18:48, Roger Heim <roger.h...@gmail.com> wrote: I think everyone is overestimating the effort needed to get up to speed with Java for Android. If you've done any work with MonoDroid you are probably already familiar with many of the concepts of Android: * The activity lifecycle (onCreate, onPause, onRestart, etc.) * Services, Content Providers, and Broadcast Receivers * Layout XML files, asset files, animation files, and other resources * And if you're experienced with C# it isn't that much of a stretch to get proficient with Java Eclipse is ok to get started with but if you've used ReSharper in VS it's not a stretch to use IntelliJ for Android (same company, JetBrains.) I think a plan B would be a good idea. IANAL but I can't think of any way this doesn't end up tied up in court. Roger 2011/5/16 Wally McClure <theevilprogram...@hotmail.com> Thanks for the kind words. Personally, I can't tell you what you should do right now. I did 2 talks last week on mobile strategies and ended them by saying that there are a number of options out there for them to consider and each must make an educated decision. I chose monotouch and mono for android. Now Attachmate has made this a questionable decision. I think some of the options are:Listen to what Attachmate says. Given that they have had two weeks to prepare a statement, I question if they ever will. Can you trust what they have to say at this point? Can you trust that they can produce a product that will meet your needs? Th e statement "All technology roadmaps remain intact" rings very hollow. http://morewally.com/cs/blogs/wallym/archive/2011/05/16/all-technology-roadmaps-remain-except-for-the-ones-that-we-won-t-tell-you-about.aspx Stay the course with Monotouch and listen to what Miguel is doing. Monotouch is kinda mature at this point, so its got some legs. Can I get to that point based on the current version of monotouch? What happens with iOS5? Mono for Android. Unfortunately, Mono for Android still has enough issues that I can't recommend it as it exists. Sorry, thats just the situation the product is in today. The debugging doesn't work, its too slow on startup of apps, its just not all there at this point in time. I'm not going to use it. Just go to the vendor dire cted products, meaning ObjectiveC. I realize that there are a number of issues, but this will keep me from ever getting mucked up. Yes the learning curve is not small. I won't have to worry about Apple with their self fud, someone from SUSE shooting their mouth off about getting rid of Mono (yeah, that happened as well), or this. Should I just go ahead and bite the bullet? Don't underestimate that learning curve. What is everyone looking to do? Wally From: steve.mad...@adsfactory.com To: monodroid@lists.ximian.com Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:00:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store Hi All... I'm a observer on the Android development as I haven't had any time to use if for development yet...However, I have several apps in the app store written in MonoTouch and I have 4 more due this month... We are from Oklahoma, where a deal is a deal...If you want out of the deal then let us know why, when and (at the very least) what we should expect since we invested time and money in you...If I did this to a customer, I'd have a pissed off 6' 5" cowboy at my door the next morning... My major concern is having to move to exclusive XCode development to continue our products. We can do this, but I'd rather not have to explain to my wife (owner of the company too) we need to re invest 6 months in retraining our help not to mention loosing the momentum we have with our other apps... Wally, dude....Love the books...I've bought 2...Lead us Obi Wan against the evil empire (evil_empire = Attachmate)... P.S Did I mention my wife is German? Steve From: Wally McClure Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:37 PM To: monodroid@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [mono-android] SPAM-LOW: Re: Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store You and me both. I just watched at least $100k of work go down the drain with this. I am upset to say the least. Wally Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:35:27 -0300 From: k...@e-magesolutions.com To: monodroid@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [mono-android] SPAM-LOW: Re: Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store I have an application deployed on 2 enterprises and with new contracts to come to honor util July… And porting to Android is in the middle of the process with a contract in standby too. Will just be good to know from Attachmate and Xamarin what happens with actual licences to see if we can change our jobs, scape from country to avoid local law, move do Alaska and work with fishing, call international lawyers or if we just continue working… (Maybe I can sell hotdogs and soda at the beach) Karl >From : Nick Maddern <nmadd...@hotmail.com> Reply-To: "monodroid@lists.ximian.com" <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 06:20:57 +1000 To: "monodroid@lists.ximian.com" <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store I am interested in knowing what the future for MonoTouch is…. I am currently writing an application, and getting close to the point where I want to deploy to an iDevice. Questions going through my head are: - Do I bite the bullet and purchase a MT license now so I can deploy before they pull it from the store, but left with $$$ worth of unsupported software (will it still be unsupported?)? - Or should I wait (and delay!) x number of months to buy the shiny new product? And how long will x be? There are a lot of unknowns in what is going on in MT land… with all the turmoil going on (e.g. Apples TOS banning and then allowing MT, Attachmate) it makes me nervous to keep investing time and effort in MT and related technologies (don’t get me wrong… I love the thing) I would just like a clear roadmap with expected timelines from Attachmate/Xamarin to help me make my decisions. Thanks, Nick From: Marcio Alexandroni <mar...@cialogica.com.br> Reply-To: Discussions related to Mono for Android <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:00:05 -0300 To: Discussions related to Mono for Android <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store It looks like Miguel and his guys are in a new company to create a new toolset for iOS and Android, i.e., it seems they are not working anymore on MonoTouch and Mono-Android. So the question remains, what will be the future of the current tools, by Attachmante? I guess we will have to wait to see what happens, or wait for the new Miguel's tools and buy them again. Marcio Alexandroni ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 cialogica -- From: Nikolai Sander <niko...@eodsoft.com> Reply-To: Discussions related to Mono for Android <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:55:13 -0700 To: Discussions related to Mono for Android <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store Yes! http://tirania.org/blog/ Nikolai On May 16, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Brian Nelson wrote: It's Monday... Any news? Thanks, Brian Nelson Software Architect Mobile Epiphany On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Nic Wise <n...@fastchicken.co.nz> wrote: possibly, you wait until monday when Miguel announces something. he's at Google IO, so I suspect he's busy (or hung over.... hang on, thats SXSW ) plitwin <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin> Paul Litwin @migueldeicaza <http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza> When can we expect to hear from you on the Attachmate debacle and how it affects Mono, MonoTouch, and MonoDroid? 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin/status/67734122096885760> Favorite <https://twitter.com/#> Retweet <https://twitter.com/#> Reply <https://twitter.com/#> migueldeicaza <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> Miguel de Icaza @ @plitwin <http://twitter.com/plitwin> Monday I will have a full statement 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza/status/67735755828641792> <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> plitwin <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin> Paul Litwin @ @migueldeicaza <http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza> Today is Monday! :) I presume you mean next Monday? 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin/status/6773 5895264075776> <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> in reply to ↑ <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> @migueldeicaza <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> Miguel de Icaza @plitwin <http://twitter.com/plitwin> yes On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:49, Eric Beser <eric.be...@e-isg.com> wrote: I have been trying to purchase the Monotouch android, and I get as far as payment, and the error is “this option is not available for your area” and paypal is not working either. Has the store been effectively closed? How does one purchase Monotouch for Android? 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