Agreed. There are lots of times I find myself wishing for some C# goodness in Java, but that's minor. Trying to get up to speed on ObjectiveC is not something I'm looking forward to however.
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 18:48, Roger Heim <roger.h...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think everyone is overestimating the effort needed to get up to speed > with Java for Android. If you've done any work with MonoDroid you are > probably already familiar with many of the concepts of Android: > * The activity lifecycle (onCreate, onPause, onRestart, etc.) > * Services, Content Providers, and Broadcast Receivers > * Layout XML files, asset files, animation files, and other resources > * And if you're experienced with C# it isn't that much of a stretch to > get proficient with Java > > Eclipse is ok to get started with but if you've used ReSharper in VS it's > not a stretch to use IntelliJ for Android (same company, JetBrains.) > > I think a plan B would be a good idea. IANAL but I can't think of any way > this doesn't end up tied up in court. > > Roger > > > 2011/5/16 Wally McClure <theevilprogram...@hotmail.com> > >> Thanks for the kind words. Personally, I can't tell you what you should >> do right now. I did 2 talks last week on mobile strategies and ended them >> by saying that there are a number of options out there for them to consider >> and each must make an educated decision. I chose monotouch and mono for >> android. Now Attachmate has made this a questionable decision. [image: >> Sad smile] >> >> I think some of the options are: >> >> - Listen to what Attachmate says. Given that they have had two weeks >> to prepare a statement, I question if they ever will. Can you trust what >> they have to say at this point? Can you trust that they can produce a >> product that will meet your needs? Th e statement "All technology >> roadmaps >> remain intact" rings very hollow. >> >> http://morewally.com/cs/blogs/wallym/archive/2011/05/16/all-technology-roadmaps-remain-except-for-the-ones-that-we-won-t-tell-you-about.aspx >> - Stay the course with Monotouch and listen to what Miguel is doing. >> Monotouch is kinda mature at this point, so its got some legs. Can I get >> to that point based on the current version of monotouch? What happens >> with >> iOS5? >> - Mono for Android. Unfortunately, Mono for Android still has enough >> issues that I can't recommend it as it exists. Sorry, thats just the >> situation the product is in today. The debugging doesn't work, its too >> slow >> on startup of apps, its just not all there at this point in time. I'm not >> going to use it. >> - Just go to the vendor dire cted products, meaning ObjectiveC. I >> realize that there are a number of issues, but this will keep me from ever >> getting mucked up. Yes the learning curve is not small. I won't have to >> worry about Apple with their self fud, someone from SUSE shooting their >> mouth off about getting rid of Mono (yeah, that happened as well), or >> this. >> Should I just go ahead and bite the bullet? Don't underestimate that >> learning curve. >> >> >> What is everyone looking to do? >> >> Wally >> >> ------------------------------ >> From: steve.mad...@adsfactory.com >> >> To: monodroid@lists.ximian.com >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:00:52 -0700 >> >> Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel >> Store >> >> Hi All... >> >> I'm a observer on the Android development as I haven't had any time to use >> if for development yet...However, I have several apps in the app >> store written in MonoTouch and I have 4 more due this month... >> >> We are from Oklahoma, where a deal is a deal...If you want out of the deal >> then let us know why, when and (at the very least) what we should expect >> since we invested time and money in you...If I did this to a customer, I'd >> have a pissed off 6' 5" cowboy at my door the next morning... >> >> My major concern is having to move to exclusive XCode development to >> continue our products. We can do this, but I'd rather not have to explain to >> my wife (owner of the company too) we need to re invest 6 months in >> retraining our help not to mention loosing the momentum we have with our >> other apps... >> >> Wally, dude....Love the books...I've bought 2...Lead us Obi Wan against >> the evil empire (evil_empire = Attachmate)... >> P.S Did I mention my wife is German? >> >> Steve >> >> *From:* Wally McClure >> *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 1:37 PM >> *To:* monodroid@lists.ximian.com >> *Subject:* Re: [mono-android] SPAM-LOW: Re: Can not purchase Monotouch >> Android on Novel Store >> >> You and me both. I just watched at least $100k of work go down the drain >> with this. I am upset to say the least. >> >> Wally >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:35:27 -0300 >> From: k...@e-magesolutions.com >> To: monodroid@lists.ximian.com >> Subject: Re: [mono-android] SPAM-LOW: Re: Can not purchase Monotouch >> Android on Novel Store >> >> I have an application deployed on 2 enterprises and with new contracts to >> come to honor util July… And porting to Android is in the middle of the >> process with a contract in standby too. >> >> Will just be good to know from Attachmate and Xamarin what happens with >> actual licences to see if we can change our jobs, scape from country to >> avoid local law, move do Alaska and work with fishing, call international >> lawyers or if we just continue working… >> >> (Maybe I can sell hotdogs and soda at the beach) >> >> Karl >> >> From : Nick Maddern <nmadd...@hotmail.com> >> Reply-To: "monodroid@lists.ximian.com" <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> >> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 06:20:57 +1000 >> To: "monodroid@lists.ximian.com" <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> >> Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android >> on Novel Store >> >> I am interested in knowing what the future for MonoTouch is…. I am >> currently writing an application, and getting close to the point where I >> want to deploy to an iDevice. >> Questions going through my head are: >> - Do I bite the bullet and purchase a MT license now so I can deploy >> before they pull it from the store, but left with $$$ worth of unsupported >> software (will it still be unsupported?)? >> - Or should I wait (and delay!) x number of months to buy the shiny new >> product? And how long will x be? >> >> There are a lot of unknowns in what is going on in MT land… with all the >> turmoil going on (e.g. Apples TOS banning and then allowing MT, Attachmate) >> it makes me nervous to keep investing time and effort in MT and related >> technologies (don’t get me wrong… I love the thing) >> >> I would just like a clear roadmap with expected timelines from >> Attachmate/Xamarin to help me make my decisions. >> >> Thanks, Nick >> >> From: Marcio Alexandroni <mar...@cialogica.com.br> >> Reply-To: Discussions related to Mono for Android < >> monodroid@lists.ximian.com> >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:00:05 -0300 >> To: Discussions related to Mono for Android <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> >> Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel >> Store >> >> It looks like Miguel and his guys are in a new company to create a new >> toolset for iOS and Android, i.e., it seems they are not working anymore on >> MonoTouch and Mono-Android. >> >> So the question remains, what will be the future of the current tools, by >> Attachmante? >> >> I guess we will have to wait to see what happens, or wait for the new >> Miguel's tools and buy them again. >> >> Marcio Alexandroni >> ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 >> cialogica >> -- >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *Nikolai Sander <niko...@eodsoft.com <http://eodsoft.com>> >> *Reply-To: *Discussions related to Mono for Android < >> monodroid@lists.ximian.com <http://lists.ximian.com>> >> *Date: *Mon, 16 May 2011 12:55:13 -0700 >> *To: *Discussions related to Mono for Android >> <monodroid@lists.ximian.com<http://lists.ximian.com> >> > >> *Subject: *Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel >> Store >> >> Yes! >> >> http://tirania.org/blog/ >> >> Nikolai >> >> On May 16, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Brian Nelson wrote: >> >> It's Monday... >> >> Any news? >> >> Thanks, >> Brian Nelson >> Software Architect >> Mobile Epiphany >> >> >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Nic Wise >> <n...@fastchicken.co.nz<http://fastchicken.co.nz>> >> wrote: >> >> possibly, you wait until monday when Miguel announces something. he's at >> Google IO, so I suspect he's busy (or hung over.... hang on, thats SXSW ) >> >> >> *plitwin <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin> *Paul Litwin >> @migueldeicaza <http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza> When can we expect to >> hear from you on the Attachmate debacle and how it affects Mono, MonoTouch, >> and MonoDroid? >> 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin/status/67734122096885760> Favorite >> <https://twitter.com/#> Retweet <https://twitter.com/#> Reply < >> https://twitter.com/#> >> >> *migueldeicaza <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> *Miguel de Icaza >> @ >> @plitwin <http://twitter.com/plitwin> Monday I will have a full >> statement >> 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza/status/67735755828641792> < >> https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> >> <https://twitter.com/#<https://twitter..com/#>> >> >> >> *plitwin <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin> *Paul Litwin >> @ >> @migueldeicaza <http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza> Today is Monday! :) I >> presume you mean next Monday? >> 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin/status/6773 >> 5895264075776<https://twitter.com/#%21/plitwin/status/67735895264075776>> >> <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> >> >> in reply to ↑ >> <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> >> *@migueldeicaza <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> *Miguel de Icaza >> @plitwin <http://twitter.com/plitwin <http://twitte+r.com/plitwin>> yes >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:49, Eric Beser >> <eric.be...@e-isg.com<http://e-isg.com>> >> wrote: >> >> I have been trying to purchase the Monotouch android, and I get as far as >> payment, and the error is “this option is not available for your area” and >> paypal is not working either. >> >> >> Has the store been effectively closed? 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