My course of action is to stick with MonoDroid and MonoTouch for now and then switch over to what Miguel is doing.
I don't need to learn Obj-C because I have written already several apps iOS natively but to re-write my apps 3 times (iOS, Android and WP7) is a huge waste of resources IMO. My android and iOS apps (using mono) share over 98% of the code. That's unbeatable from my point of view and a gift that keeps on giving. Yes the road with monodroid has been pretty rocky (and monotouch too for that matter). But The upside is so big that I just can't turn away from it. I do think that I will have a significant competitive advantage by sharing the same code over 3 platforms. The only reason why I could be swayed to use something else would be if there would exist a true cross platform solution and apart from mono I have not seen of anything usable (with graphics acceleration support through OpenGL/XNA). Nikolai On May 16, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Wally McClure wrote: > I think we all agree that android java is not that hard to get into. Yes, > there will be some pain and agony, but it just doesn't seem to be that hard. > Heck, if I can figure it out, it can't be too bad. > > The thing that concerns me is that objectiveC animal. I tried this once and > my hair turned white. > > I am also really concerned about the legal ramifications of this. I just > don't see how Miguel and company don't get tied up in the courts on this one. > > Of course, I'll re-examine as time goes forward. No real reason to create a > locked down position at this point i n time. > > From: t...@opgenorth.net > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:57:25 -0600 > To: monodroid@lists.ximian.com > Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store > > Agreed. There are lots of times I find myself wishing for some C# goodness > in Java, but that's minor. Trying to get up to speed on ObjectiveC is not > something I'm looking forward to however. > > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 18:48, Roger Heim <roger.h...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think everyone is overestimating the effort needed to get up to speed with > Java for Android. If you've done any work with MonoDroid you are probably > already familiar with many of the concepts of Android: > * The activity lifecycle (onCreate, onPause, onRestart, etc.) > * Services, Content Providers, and Broadcast Receivers > * Layout XML files, asset files, animation files, and other resources > * And if you're experienced with C# it isn't that much of a stretch to get > proficient with Java > > Eclipse is ok to get started with but if you've used ReSharper in VS it's not > a stretch to use IntelliJ for Android (same company, JetBrains.) > > I think a plan B would be a good idea. IANAL but I can't think of any way > this doesn't end up tied up in court. > > Roger > > > 2011/5/16 Wally McClure <theevilprogram...@hotmail.com> > Thanks for the kind words. Personally, I can't tell you what you should do > right now. I did 2 talks last week on mobile strategies and ended them by > saying that there are a number of options out there for them to consider and > each must make an educated decision. I chose monotouch and mono for android. > Now Attachmate has made this a questionable decision. > > I think some of the options are: > Listen to what Attachmate says. Given that they have had two weeks to > prepare a statement, I question if they ever will. Can you trust what they > have to say at this point? Can you trust that they can produce a product that > will meet your needs? Th e statement "All technology roadmaps remain intact" > rings very hollow. > http://morewally.com/cs/blogs/wallym/archive/2011/05/16/all-technology-roadmaps-remain-except-for-the-ones-that-we-won-t-tell-you-about.aspx > Stay the course with Monotouch and listen to what Miguel is doing. Monotouch > is kinda mature at this point, so its got some legs. Can I get to that point > based on the current version of monotouch? What happens with iOS5? > Mono for Android. Unfortunately, Mono for Android still has enough issues > that I can't recommend it as it exists. Sorry, thats just the situation the > product is in today. The debugging doesn't work, its too slow on startup of > apps, its just not all there at this point in time. I'm not going to use it. > Just go to the vendor dire cted products, meaning ObjectiveC. I realize that > there are a number of issues, but this will keep me from ever getting mucked > up. Yes the learning curve is not small. I won't have to worry about Apple > with their self fud, someone from SUSE shooting their mouth off about getting > rid of Mono (yeah, that happened as well), or this. Should I just go ahead > and bite the bullet? Don't underestimate that learning curve. > > What is everyone looking to do? > > Wally > > From: steve.mad...@adsfactory.com > > To: monodroid@lists.ximian.com > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:00:52 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store > > Hi All... > > I'm a observer on the Android development as I haven't had any time to use if > for development yet...However, I have several apps in the app store written > in MonoTouch and I have 4 more due this month... > > We are from Oklahoma, where a deal is a deal...If you want out of the deal > then let us know why, when and (at the very least) what we should expect > since we invested time and money in you...If I did this to a customer, I'd > have a pissed off 6' 5" cowboy at my door the next morning... > > My major concern is having to move to exclusive XCode development to continue > our products. We can do this, but I'd rather not have to explain to my wife > (owner of the company too) we need to re invest 6 months in retraining our > help not to mention loosing the momentum we have with our other apps... > > Wally, dude....Love the books...I've bought 2...Lead us Obi Wan against the > evil empire (evil_empire = Attachmate)... > P.S Did I mention my wife is German? > > Steve > > From: Wally McClure > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:37 PM > To: monodroid@lists.ximian.com > Subject: Re: [mono-android] SPAM-LOW: Re: Can not purchase Monotouch Android > on Novel Store > > You and me both. I just watched at least $100k of work go down the drain > with this. I am upset to say the least. > > Wally > > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:35:27 -0300 > From: k...@e-magesolutions.com > To: monodroid@lists.ximian.com > Subject: Re: [mono-android] SPAM-LOW: Re: Can not purchase Monotouch Android > on Novel Store > > I have an application deployed on 2 enterprises and with new contracts to > come to honor util July… And porting to Android is in the middle of the > process with a contract in standby too. > > Will just be good to know from Attachmate and Xamarin what happens with > actual licences to see if we can change our jobs, scape from country to avoid > local law, move do Alaska and work with fishing, call international lawyers > or if we just continue working… > > (Maybe I can sell hotdogs and soda at the beach) > > Karl > > From : Nick Maddern <nmadd...@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: "monodroid@lists.ximian.com" <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> > Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 06:20:57 +1000 > To: "monodroid@lists.ximian.com" <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> > Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on > Novel Store > > I am interested in knowing what the future for MonoTouch is…. I am currently > writing an application, and getting close to the point where I want to deploy > to an iDevice. > Questions going through my head are: > - Do I bite the bullet and purchase a MT license now so I can deploy before > they pull it from the store, but left with $$$ worth of unsupported software > (will it still be unsupported?)? > - Or should I wait (and delay!) x number of months to buy the shiny new > product? And how long will x be? > > There are a lot of unknowns in what is going on in MT land… with all the > turmoil going on (e.g. Apples TOS banning and then allowing MT, Attachmate) > it makes me nervous to keep investing time and effort in MT and related > technologies (don’t get me wrong… I love the thing) > > I would just like a clear roadmap with expected timelines from > Attachmate/Xamarin to help me make my decisions. > > Thanks, Nick > > From: Marcio Alexandroni <mar...@cialogica.com.br> > Reply-To: Discussions related to Mono for Android <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:00:05 -0300 > To: Discussions related to Mono for Android <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> > Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store > > It looks like Miguel and his guys are in a new company to create a new > toolset for iOS and Android, i.e., it seems they are not working anymore on > MonoTouch and Mono-Android. > > So the question remains, what will be the future of the current tools, by > Attachmante? > > I guess we will have to wait to see what happens, or wait for the new > Miguel's tools and buy them again. > > Marcio Alexandroni > ( (+55 11) 9989-8316 > <image.png> cialogica > -- > > > > From: Nikolai Sander <niko...@eodsoft.com> > Reply-To: Discussions related to Mono for Android <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:55:13 -0700 > To: Discussions related to Mono for Android <monodroid@lists.ximian.com> > Subject: Re: [mono-android] Can not purchase Monotouch Android on Novel Store > > Yes! > > http://tirania.org/blog/ > > Nikolai > > On May 16, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Brian Nelson wrote: > > It's Monday... > > Any news? > > Thanks, > Brian Nelson > Software Architect > Mobile Epiphany > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Nic Wise <n...@fastchicken.co.nz> wrote: > possibly, you wait until monday when Miguel announces something. he's at > Google IO, so I suspect he's busy (or hung over.... hang on, thats SXSW ) > > > plitwin <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin> Paul Litwin > @migueldeicaza <http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza> When can we expect to hear > from you on the Attachmate debacle and how it affects Mono, MonoTouch, and > MonoDroid? > 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin/status/67734122096885760> Favorite > <https://twitter.com/#> Retweet <https://twitter.com/#> Reply > <https://twitter.com/#> > > migueldeicaza <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> Miguel de Icaza > @ > @plitwin <http://twitter.com/plitwin> Monday I will have a full statement > 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza/status/67735755828641792> > <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> > > plitwin <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin> Paul Litwin > @ > @migueldeicaza <http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza> Today is Monday! :) I > presume you mean next Monday? > 10 May <https://twitter.com/#!/plitwin/status/6773 5895264075776> > <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> <https://twitter.com/#> > in reply to ↑ > <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> > @migueldeicaza <https://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza> Miguel de Icaza > @plitwin <http://twitter.com/plitwin> yes > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:49, Eric Beser <eric.be...@e-isg.com> wrote: > I have been trying to purchase the Monotouch android, and I get as far as > payment, and the error is “this option is not available for your area” and > paypal is not working either. > > > Has the store been effectively closed? 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