On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:50:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
| > You are making an argument that Makefiles are useless when we are
| > discussing the free-ness of OpenBSD. It doesn't have a lot to do with
| > the subject at hand (again...), but there you go.
|
| You argued Makefiles are FREE. See ma, no .so in cvs.. etc. Now you
| use ftp and download PowerPoint to test if the system works, and say:
| hey. it's a free tool and I downloaded non-free. But just testing. But
| it's a free tool, like uhm. make and Makefile s ... so I guess
| everyone can use it to simply test if the non-free can be downloaded
| with free tools. Is that what you're getting at, about the FREE
| makefiles and their usefulness? Ah, okay; I understand you.
Arguing isn't really your strongest point, is it ?
It was *you* who was trying to argue that using the software that is
already present on your system to download something non-free, makes
the system itself non-free. I did the same thing, downloaded non-free
software with a free program.
I have no intention of using Powerpoint on my machine (it doesn't even
run) but some users have a need for the flash plugin on their OpenBSD
machines. So it's useful to them.
| > I did, I tested the above procedure before sending my mail to the
| > list. Doesn't mean I've used it, but if you think it's shameful to
| > prove you wrong, I think that says more about you than about me.
| >
|
| You're not proving me wrong. Whom are you kidding? You need to come to
| terms with yourself.
I did prove you were wrong. You stated that OpenBSD did not deserve
the term Free. I *proved* that it does by showing you that everything
in OpenBSD is free (both 'without cost' and 'without restrictions').
And the best part is, you agreed with me :
> > OpenBSD is Free, Functional and Secure. This is not required from
> > software you install from packages or via the ports tree. It's the OS
> > that is free. Try to understand : all of OpenBSD is Free. Everything.
> > Nothing in OpenBSD is not free (barring bugs, but I believe those have
> > been eradicated by now). The kernel is free, binaries and manpages are
> > free, the ports tree is free, software used to install packages
> > (pkg_add) is free, free free free. You can get them at no extra charge
> > (apart from you internet connection fee + storage cost etc.) so the OS
> > is free as in "gratis" or "without charge". You can look at the source
> > of the kernel, binaries, manpages, portstree, pkg_add and change them
> > to your liking so the OS is free as in "freedom" : you have the
> > freedom to use and change it as you like.
> Look, I know all this.
So, by your own admission, I did prove you wrong. However, for some
reason, you keep on arguing about something you said you knew but now
disagree with ? And then I need to come to terms with myself ? I am
kidding someone ?
| > You still have not shown any file in the OpenBSD cvs repository that
| > is not free. You make gratuitous analogies that are completely
| > irrelevant - try to stick to the subject, no analogies necessary.
| > There's no cigarettes in OpenBSD, it's all free bits of software etc.
| >
|
| Free bits of software which can download non-free bits = Harmless bits
| of paper and tobacco which when lit and inhaled will cause cancer.
The two are not in the same domain. Software does not cause cancer,
you will not die because you use free or non-free software. Your
analogy is totally off. Try to argue within the domain.
| If you feel the analogy is painful, tough luck bro.
Not painful .. absurd. What next, compare my laptop (an apple) to a
banana and claim they're both fruit ? Make arguments that hold water,
show me just _ONE_ file in the OpenBSD cvs repository that is not free
software. Just one.
| I'm through talking to you here. I'm not going to reply to your posts again.
Of course you won't. It took you no less than *FIVE* mails from me to
realize that I wasn't going to shup up unless you actually *PROVE*
that OpenBSD contains non-free software. Every reply from you that
doesn't prove this will get an answer from me asking for the evidence.
You made a false claim and now that you realize your mistake you
refuse to admit it (even though you've already claimed that you knew I
was right). I already thought it was painful to see you burying
yourself deeper and deeper in this mess, good for you to get out now.
YOU ARE WRONG.
(But please, keep your word, don't reply to my posts again)
Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd
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