Hi Tom,
Thanks for your response here, I appreciate the clarification.
As I said earlier my usage is just for the positive reputation allowlist
and just in postscreen (I think SpamAssassin also makes use of the list
but since a lookup was done just prior in postscreen the local resolver
would have the entry cached and not cost an extra query to your
servers). Based on one query per connection to postscreen I ran a quick
check in my server logs:
# grep -E 'postscreen.*CONNECT' maillog* | wc -l
23651
These logs span slightly over a month back, so as you can imagine a
limit of 10,000 queries per month is not enough to satisfy my needs. I
do not consider my server to be a high volume or commercial server, I
use it for personal and my own business email and I also host email for
my local baseball club and umpires association, hardly a commercial
endeavor. I believe that your limit of 10,000 queries for the free tier
is an order of magnitude too small and a more reasonable number would be
100,000.
That said, it is not my business or place to dictate your company
policies, I am fine with you choosing to set the limit wherever you feel
is appropriate, but unfortunately a limit of 10,000 queries is too
little for me to continue to use the service, which is my choice.
If this limit changes I will happily reconsider.
Peter Ajamian
On 5/04/25 09:54, Tom Bartel via mailop wrote:
Hey Simon, Peter and Jaroslaw, I saw this thread and wanted to jump in.
Our reputation data access was introduced many years ago as a free tool
and usage has grown significantly. Recently we’ve seen very high and
extreme usage so we added registration for this, and now we’re
introducing paid tiers for high-volume use.
As we have real operational costs, we want to work with our heavy users
to keep things sustainable and continue delivering a solid experience
for everyone.
That said, we’re committed to keeping the service accessible. There’s a
free tier available for light usage (10,000 Queries in a rolling 30 days).
And we’ve rolled out other options across our product line for smaller
consumers. Our delivery tools for mailers with lighter sending starts at
$20 month, complaint FBL starts at $18 year, and email list verification
has an entry point at $40. We also offer nonprofit programs for
qualifying orgs.
Feel free to respond to any notification you received directly, or to
ping me directly with any feedback or additional questions.
Thanks,
Tom Bartel
Sent from my personal address but with my SVP Data, Validity, Inc. hat on.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 2:05 AM Peter via mailop <mailop@mailop.org
<mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:
On 4/04/25 20:27, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
> Dnia 4.04.2025 o godz. 16:10:40 Peter via mailop pisze:
>>
>> Yeah, well they already charge an arm and a leg to get on their
>> allowlist, now they want to make money from the servers that use it
>> as well. Sorry I won't be partaking in that list any longer.
>
> I never used their list as I have absolutely no reason for it,
but their
> logic seems strange to me.
I run postscreen after-220 tests and so it pays to get more servers
whitelisted to avoid delays. I was just using the dnswl.org
<http://dnswl.org> list but I
found some major senders weren't on it, but were on some other
lists, so
I included this one and a couple of others. I think I can do without
this list though as I can find others which whitelist the servers I
need
to get mail from and it's not worth spending money for my little server
on it.
> As it costs a lot of money to get on their list of "good"
senders, it is
> clearly directed towards big companies who can afford that money. Big
> companies (I mean those who send legitimate email, not spam)
usually already
> have pretty good reputation and deliverability without using
additional
> "boosts" like this list, because their messages are quite
commonplace, so
> regardless if they are on Validity list or not, spam filters are
tuned to
> pass them through anyway. So there's actually little benefit from
including
> that list in receiving server configuration, and little
motivation to do so
> for the admin.
>
> If they now want to charge money for using that list, said
motivation drops
> to near zero, and benefit, in monetary terms, may even become
negative...
While I tend to agree here, Validity plays with the big boys and
they're
allowlist is used by Microsoft among others. That alone is probably
good enough to make it worthwhile for senders to pay to get on it and
they likely don't care about driving away small folks like us.
Peter
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