Is "-all" not indeed a policy in SPF, directed by the domain owner? I would argue that it is. Especially given that there are options there, each one defining how the domain owner wishes SPF failure to be treated. I would find it odd to say that should ignore domain owners when they say "-all" since that's a direct and clear request by them.

On 2023-08-19 06:31, Gellner, Oliver via mailop wrote:

On 19.08.2023 at 12:30 Benny Pedersen via mailop wrote:

prove it, it just loose dmarc aligment, if it was hardfails, lets not ignore domain owners, ever

spf softfails can still pass dkim, hopefully you know this

You don't have to ignore domain owners as they do not put any kind of policy into SPF records. SPF does not allow one to to this. What domain owners can do is set up a policy in the DMARC record. Of course on the receiver side you can make up any number of additional or even contradictory policies like the one you described, as in „your server, your rules". But I believe the guidance from M3AAWG which actually takes existing policies from the sender side into account is more friendly and provides less false positives. In a nutshell this means: Do not reject emails based solely on SPF failures as soon as the sending domain has a valid DMARC record.

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BR Oliver

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