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On Thu, 2021-01-21 at 15:15 +0100, Stefano Bagnara via mailop wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 15:04, Jim Popovitch via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> 
> wrote:
> > > "Pay us for protection", when it really means "pay us or we'll [break 
> > > your knees|set your house on fire|break your windows...]" isn't 
> > > insurance, and can get you arrested.
> > 
> > Neither of those situations describe the reality of what uceprotect is
> > doing.  They are saying that if you choose to operate in a shady area,
> > they will, for a payment, whitelist your address so that you can send
> > email.  Historically, email delivery was always tied to knowing who the
> > sender was.  This has been going on for decades, even with folks like
> > Barracuda.  It's never been about the $$, it's always been about
> > identifying the responsible party.
> 
> This make me think to the "First the came..." thing: saying that around 1 
> million OVH customers *chose* to operate in *shady area* is a strong 
> statement. 

... and OVH cleaned up their act.


> Maybe you'll grasp the issue only when they will list Ramnode :-)
> Or maybe you'll be happy to pay or to move to another ASN until they catch 
> up...


You seem to be under the assumption that uceprotect is just looking for
providers to list.  I think, and I know, that Ramnode is a responsible
hosting provider.  They take abuse report seriously, and act swiftly. 
If you read the details about the ASNs that uceprotect list, it's clear
that those ASNs do not.

- -Jim P.
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