On 31 Oct 2018, at 12:53, Steve Dodd wrote:

The two recipient orgs here are actually a local govt department, and a state-funded charity. Would be interesting to see what a lawyer made of
their "right" to randomly drop mail from taxpaying clients.

I am not specifically familiar with UK law, but a good lawyer here in the US would control his giggling long enough to point at the safe harbor provisions in federal law that let ISPs be as sloppy as they care to be in filtering out junk as long as they are acting in good faith. I don't follow the case law as closely as I used to, but for many years there was a perfect record of such attempted cases being thrown out very swiftly. Here in the US, you'd need evidence of MS or the receiving parties intentionally targeting the specific senders or GMail users as a whole in order to get anywhere. *EVIDENCE*, not an assertion or a guess.

The fact that some of the louder lawsuits against Spamhaus & Steve Linford (who should be in UK jurisdiction...) were filed here makes me think that maybe your laws have similar protections for ISPs and your lawyers are better at discouraging hopeless lawsuits.

Trying to
imagine a parallel world where they randomly blocked phone calls based on an opaque algo applied to the caller-id. Also, if "unusual" user-agents are
being scored down, I'd think that might have accessibility / DDA
implications. But that's probably can of worms not to open here, right now
:)

I would bet on the MS service agreement indemnifying MS against liability for any special non-filtering obligations of government or charitable agencies and disclaiming any implied warranties of service quality. How binding those terms would be in the UK is a question for a UK lawyer.

In principle, any entity with a domain name could run their own email and fully control every detail of filtering. That's costly to do well. Choosing MS as a provider reduces cost and most organizations have no concept of what email service quality differentiators might exist, so in general a lot of space is allowed for "innocent mistakes" even when they amount to laziness and cost avoidance.


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