most of the time I am tactful. I submit a great many bug reports on a daily basis (this mac has had problems lately, mostly owing to the fact that some API calls were broken in Safari). I also do a lot of work in the Open SOurce communities submitting bug reports on broken compiles. I type enough in a day to create a novel in less than a month. At least in Linux, I get a better, faster response than I do elsewhere. THere have been a few times where my frustration has gotten the better of me (see one of my postings 2 months back when Safari got updated to 6.1). I have to use webkit on account of several breakages in Safari (such as headers not being properly parsed, controls not visible in web item rotor, etc.). Its bugginess like this I cannot abide.
-eric On Dec 18, 2013, at 7:37 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I think I agree with half of this. But just keep in mind. Blind consumers > are no different from any other consumer. When you pay for something, and it > doesn’t work or, work the way you expect it to, some will act like asses. I > don’t think blind people should be anymore or less thankful at this moment. > I think we should be happy that Apple offers more than the bare bones > requirements for accessibility, and have an active role in inclusive design > across their products. But, when people are angry or disappointed, they > often let their emotions run away with them. So I think Apple ditching > accessibility because a few blind people tell them some bad things is absurd. > They are big boys and girls over there. Why would they let the minority of > users dissuade them from their work? I would assume most of their feedback > from Voiceover users is presented in a factual, comprehensive, and more or > less polite way. These are the people they are listening to. Not the people > who rant and carry on with no true point. Know engineer worth their salt, > either software or hardware doesn’t want to fix things. That’s their overall > goal. I don’t think they are quitting because some folks send them a you > suck e-mail. They are getting payed after all. lol. > > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Dec 18, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> > wrote: > >> Yeah, and it doesn’t matter if we get what we want, because then we whimper >> and whine about the fact that we have gotten what we want, either it is too >> late, too little, too much or just plain spoken the wrong way. I know that >> what i now will say is gonna offend people and i apologize in advance for >> that, but if we bash Apple accessibility and Apple decides that they don’t >> want to have anything whatsoever to do with the blind community then it’s a >> catastrophy that we deserve. Don’t misunderstand me, pointing to bugs and >> things that aren’t right isn’t wrong and shall be done provided it’s done in >> a constructive, polite and creative way, complaining serves no purpose and >> in the long run could end up really badly for us. >> /Krister >> >> 18 dec 2013 kl. 03:42 skrev David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Well, Robert it probably does more to hurt all blind users of Apple devices >>> than it ever will to help make things better. But, as I am sure you known >>> blind people have a long history of being hateful, spiteful, not >>> appreciating what is done for them, and constant complainers. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my accessible iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:53 AM, ROBERT CARTER <nc5rn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I think the idea that accessibility is less important to Apple since the >>>> death of Steve Jobs is nothing more than pure speculation and if anyone >>>> can prove otherwise, I would love to see the evidence. I see no value in >>>> such comments. >>>> >>>> Robert Carter >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Scott B. <sb356...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Absolutely right. They can talking to engineering. But engeeniering has >>>>> the final say. I agree since the great Steve Jobs has passed we're >>>>> probably not seeing as much interaction from Accessibility as people saw >>>>> before. To sum it up very briefly Accessibility is where you take the >>>>> accessibility suggestions or problems. They either act upon them y >>>>> supporting you the person who needs help or passing it on to the >>>>> engineering team by escalation. Please also keep in mind these are tier 2 >>>>> support personnel so they can't know everything either so be easy on >>>>> these people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/17/2013 03:37, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>>> Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team >>>>>> as if to suggest that we are being ignored. It seems to be the belief >>>>>> of some that the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and >>>>>> problems with Voice Over. I do not believe that this is the case. It >>>>>> is my belief that the Apple accessibility team has, in fact, a very >>>>>> limited role at Apple. Frankly, with the passing of the late great >>>>>> Steve Jobs, that role has perhaps demenished greatly. I believe that the >>>>>> Apple accessibility team never has had actual decision making capacity >>>>>> with respect to actual implementation of fixes for Voice Over. They >>>>>> didn’t even have this power under Steve Jobs. Unless I am very much >>>>>> mistaken, all the accessibility team has any power to do is to forward >>>>>> our findings over to the development teams but nothing more. They >>>>>> cannot even tell us whether or not our reports will be acted upon. Now, >>>>>> this last is most likely a part of Apple’s non disclosure policy: >>>>>> however, I suspect that even if this was not so, Apple’s accessibility >>>>>> team would not be informed in any case. In short, it seems that the >>>>>> only function that this accessibility team has and will ever have at >>>>>> Apple is not much more than a kind of clearing house of feedback from us >>>>>> blind users. I cannot help wonder how many Apple app developmental >>>>>> teams look at submissions from the accessibility team and say to >>>>>> themselves, “Oh, no, not again.”. I suspect that this explains why it >>>>>> is that our reports seem to go unheeded. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>> blind built-in! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Scott Berry >>>>> Email: sb356...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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