wow! that explains so much! I finally understand myself now! (huh?) On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:42 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, Robert it probably does more to hurt all blind users of Apple devices > than it ever will to help make things better. But, as I am sure you known > blind people have a long history of being hateful, spiteful, not appreciating > what is done for them, and constant complainers. > > > Sent from my accessible iPhone > >> On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:53 AM, ROBERT CARTER <nc5rn...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I think the idea that accessibility is less important to Apple since the >> death of Steve Jobs is nothing more than pure speculation and if anyone can >> prove otherwise, I would love to see the evidence. I see no value in such >> comments. >> >> Robert Carter >> >> >>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Scott B. <sb356...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Absolutely right. They can talking to engineering. But engeeniering has >>> the final say. I agree since the great Steve Jobs has passed we're >>> probably not seeing as much interaction from Accessibility as people saw >>> before. To sum it up very briefly Accessibility is where you take the >>> accessibility suggestions or problems. They either act upon them y >>> supporting you the person who needs help or passing it on to the >>> engineering team by escalation. Please also keep in mind these are tier 2 >>> support personnel so they can't know everything either so be easy on these >>> people. >>> >>> >>>> On 12/17/2013 03:37, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>> Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team as >>>> if to suggest that we are being ignored. It seems to be the belief of >>>> some that the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and >>>> problems with Voice Over. I do not believe that this is the case. It is >>>> my belief that the Apple accessibility team has, in fact, a very limited >>>> role at Apple. Frankly, with the passing of the late great Steve Jobs, >>>> that role has perhaps demenished greatly. I believe that the Apple >>>> accessibility team never has had actual decision making capacity with >>>> respect to actual implementation of fixes for Voice Over. They didn’t >>>> even have this power under Steve Jobs. Unless I am very much mistaken, >>>> all the accessibility team has any power to do is to forward our findings >>>> over to the development teams but nothing more. They cannot even tell us >>>> whether or not our reports will be acted upon. Now, this last is most >>>> likely a part of Apple’s non disclosure policy: however, I suspect that >>>> even if this was not so, Apple’s accessibility team would not be informed >>>> in any case. In short, it seems that the only function that this >>>> accessibility team has and will ever have at Apple is not much more than a >>>> kind of clearing house of feedback from us blind users. I cannot help >>>> wonder how many Apple app developmental teams look at submissions from the >>>> accessibility team and say to themselves, “Oh, no, not again.”. I suspect >>>> that this explains why it is that our reports seem to go unheeded. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>> built-in! >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> -- >>> Scott Berry >>> Email: sb356...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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