Hi, I think I agree with half of this. But just keep in mind. Blind consumers are no different from any other consumer. When you pay for something, and it doesn’t work or, work the way you expect it to, some will act like asses. I don’t think blind people should be anymore or less thankful at this moment. I think we should be happy that Apple offers more than the bare bones requirements for accessibility, and have an active role in inclusive design across their products. But, when people are angry or disappointed, they often let their emotions run away with them. So I think Apple ditching accessibility because a few blind people tell them some bad things is absurd. They are big boys and girls over there. Why would they let the minority of users dissuade them from their work? I would assume most of their feedback from Voiceover users is presented in a factual, comprehensive, and more or less polite way. These are the people they are listening to. Not the people who rant and carry on with no true point. Know engineer worth their salt, either software or hardware doesn’t want to fix things. That’s their overall goal. I don’t think they are quitting because some folks send them a you suck e-mail. They are getting payed after all. lol.
Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 18, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: > Yeah, and it doesn’t matter if we get what we want, because then we whimper > and whine about the fact that we have gotten what we want, either it is too > late, too little, too much or just plain spoken the wrong way. I know that > what i now will say is gonna offend people and i apologize in advance for > that, but if we bash Apple accessibility and Apple decides that they don’t > want to have anything whatsoever to do with the blind community then it’s a > catastrophy that we deserve. Don’t misunderstand me, pointing to bugs and > things that aren’t right isn’t wrong and shall be done provided it’s done in > a constructive, polite and creative way, complaining serves no purpose and in > the long run could end up really badly for us. > /Krister > > 18 dec 2013 kl. 03:42 skrev David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com>: > >> Well, Robert it probably does more to hurt all blind users of Apple devices >> than it ever will to help make things better. But, as I am sure you known >> blind people have a long history of being hateful, spiteful, not >> appreciating what is done for them, and constant complainers. >> >> >> Sent from my accessible iPhone >> >>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:53 AM, ROBERT CARTER <nc5rn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I think the idea that accessibility is less important to Apple since the >>> death of Steve Jobs is nothing more than pure speculation and if anyone can >>> prove otherwise, I would love to see the evidence. I see no value in such >>> comments. >>> >>> Robert Carter >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Scott B. <sb356...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Absolutely right. They can talking to engineering. But engeeniering has >>>> the final say. I agree since the great Steve Jobs has passed we're >>>> probably not seeing as much interaction from Accessibility as people saw >>>> before. To sum it up very briefly Accessibility is where you take the >>>> accessibility suggestions or problems. They either act upon them y >>>> supporting you the person who needs help or passing it on to the >>>> engineering team by escalation. Please also keep in mind these are tier 2 >>>> support personnel so they can't know everything either so be easy on these >>>> people. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12/17/2013 03:37, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>> Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team >>>>> as if to suggest that we are being ignored. It seems to be the belief of >>>>> some that the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and >>>>> problems with Voice Over. I do not believe that this is the case. It is >>>>> my belief that the Apple accessibility team has, in fact, a very limited >>>>> role at Apple. Frankly, with the passing of the late great Steve Jobs, >>>>> that role has perhaps demenished greatly. I believe that the Apple >>>>> accessibility team never has had actual decision making capacity with >>>>> respect to actual implementation of fixes for Voice Over. They didn’t >>>>> even have this power under Steve Jobs. Unless I am very much mistaken, >>>>> all the accessibility team has any power to do is to forward our findings >>>>> over to the development teams but nothing more. They cannot even tell us >>>>> whether or not our reports will be acted upon. Now, this last is most >>>>> likely a part of Apple’s non disclosure policy: however, I suspect that >>>>> even if this was not so, Apple’s accessibility team would not be informed >>>>> in any case. In short, it seems that the only function that this >>>>> accessibility team has and will ever have at Apple is not much more than >>>>> a kind of clearing house of feedback from us blind users. I cannot help >>>>> wonder how many Apple app developmental teams look at submissions from >>>>> the accessibility team and say to themselves, “Oh, no, not again.”. I >>>>> suspect that this explains why it is that our reports seem to go unheeded. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>>> built-in! >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Scott Berry >>>> Email: sb356...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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