Yeah, and it doesn’t matter if we get what we want, because then we whimper and whine about the fact that we have gotten what we want, either it is too late, too little, too much or just plain spoken the wrong way. I know that what i now will say is gonna offend people and i apologize in advance for that, but if we bash Apple accessibility and Apple decides that they don’t want to have anything whatsoever to do with the blind community then it’s a catastrophy that we deserve. Don’t misunderstand me, pointing to bugs and things that aren’t right isn’t wrong and shall be done provided it’s done in a constructive, polite and creative way, complaining serves no purpose and in the long run could end up really badly for us. /Krister
18 dec 2013 kl. 03:42 skrev David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com>: > Well, Robert it probably does more to hurt all blind users of Apple devices > than it ever will to help make things better. But, as I am sure you known > blind people have a long history of being hateful, spiteful, not appreciating > what is done for them, and constant complainers. > > > Sent from my accessible iPhone > >> On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:53 AM, ROBERT CARTER <nc5rn...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I think the idea that accessibility is less important to Apple since the >> death of Steve Jobs is nothing more than pure speculation and if anyone can >> prove otherwise, I would love to see the evidence. I see no value in such >> comments. >> >> Robert Carter >> >> >>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Scott B. <sb356...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Absolutely right. They can talking to engineering. But engeeniering has >>> the final say. I agree since the great Steve Jobs has passed we're >>> probably not seeing as much interaction from Accessibility as people saw >>> before. To sum it up very briefly Accessibility is where you take the >>> accessibility suggestions or problems. They either act upon them y >>> supporting you the person who needs help or passing it on to the >>> engineering team by escalation. Please also keep in mind these are tier 2 >>> support personnel so they can't know everything either so be easy on these >>> people. >>> >>> >>>> On 12/17/2013 03:37, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>> Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team as >>>> if to suggest that we are being ignored. It seems to be the belief of >>>> some that the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and >>>> problems with Voice Over. I do not believe that this is the case. It is >>>> my belief that the Apple accessibility team has, in fact, a very limited >>>> role at Apple. Frankly, with the passing of the late great Steve Jobs, >>>> that role has perhaps demenished greatly. I believe that the Apple >>>> accessibility team never has had actual decision making capacity with >>>> respect to actual implementation of fixes for Voice Over. They didn’t >>>> even have this power under Steve Jobs. Unless I am very much mistaken, >>>> all the accessibility team has any power to do is to forward our findings >>>> over to the development teams but nothing more. They cannot even tell us >>>> whether or not our reports will be acted upon. Now, this last is most >>>> likely a part of Apple’s non disclosure policy: however, I suspect that >>>> even if this was not so, Apple’s accessibility team would not be informed >>>> in any case. In short, it seems that the only function that this >>>> accessibility team has and will ever have at Apple is not much more than a >>>> kind of clearing house of feedback from us blind users. I cannot help >>>> wonder how many Apple app developmental teams look at submissions from the >>>> accessibility team and say to themselves, “Oh, no, not again.”. I suspect >>>> that this explains why it is that our reports seem to go unheeded. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>> built-in! >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> -- >>> Scott Berry >>> Email: sb356...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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