Cheree Heppe here: Ket's say that a group of space faring humans crash landed on a planet that could support life, but circled an infrared star. The crash survivors would be unable to see without special infrared devices. After time, those devices would break down. Would the survivors have justification to feel concerned, worried, upset, about not being able to utilize the only tool tey have to effectively function in the alien environment?
Regards, Cheree Heppe Sent from my IPhone 4S On 17 Dec 2013, at 6:54, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote: Mario, That’s quite a lot of needless anger just because you didn’t get all the attention you wanted right away from Apple. I do not think we blind people have a right to demand anymore than we have earned. The world owes us nothing for nothing. I suspect that you do not really understand the structure of Apple and how it really works. Rick is right. With an organization like Apple, you’ve got a lot of compartmentalization to contend with: and, whether you or I like it or not, those compartments do not always communicate with each other. That’s just how it is in that sort of world. Learn how to move around in that and you can then get something done. Whine bitch and complain to the Choir, and you get nothing done. As Apple customers, we do have a responsibility to give to Apple’s accessibility team all the feedback we can and to do it in such a way as to present an intelligent case. How do you or I really know exactly what goes on behind the seens over there? It’s one thing to holler on the outside, but quite another to learn how most effectively to move things in the way you wish they would go. CAn it be better? Of course it always can. misdirected anger, however, is not the way to get it done. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Mario Navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > sorry my friend, but what you're talking about doesn't make sense. > the accessibility team at apple must have overall responsibility to self take > over as the only Department that serves the accessibility issues. > This Department has to assume only matters related to everything that has to > do with accessibility. > can't depend on extra chiefdoms. > If indeed that is the case and the friend be sure your reasoning, so I am > forced to say that the apple company is a complete confusion, disorientation, > and without any type of organization and guidance. > This is how a company organized work. each Department has to be independent > and self have a well-structured and organized team with a Chief leader. > If this doesn't exist on apple, so for me this company is a total mess. > sorry but this is the truth. > that's enough to defend the accessibility team and continue to support and > pretend that all is well. > the more we do,the more problems there will be and who gets harmed us. > We have to be treated as normal because consumers and customers pay for > products too and if you don't see us as potential consumers, it's their fault > because they don't give us the necessary conditions in order to be able to > buy affordable products. > I know and I have blind friends who consume many more apple products that > other people have vision.and I think it is so that Europe and the world, in > every community of blind people. > and we all know that the prices of apple products are very high. > We respect who treats us well, but we can not say amen to all that was done, > or was to be done. > it's been a long time since the irresponsibility apple's accessibility > Department > have been take. > now the time has come to appeal to blind people consumers of apple products > that no longer defend this company while continuing to treat us as weak > clients and they don't deserve the attention responsible as they do with > people who have vision. > We have the right to demand more and more because we are equal or even better > than many people who have vision and who can't do half of what we do in the > world of imformatica. > I ask you please friends no more defending and being fan boys whatever that > company is if this company doesn't respect us. > apple already respected in the past but not now respect us more for thinking > that I have done all that we want. > and now I just do what they want, and don't take on more the compromise they > have undertaken in the past. > apple thinks he has already conquered the market of business and consumers > blind, and now were irresponsible sleeping in spot light. > on my part are wrong because I will denounce that irresponsibility > > Apple opens your eyes and let stop sleep in the spotlight and assumes > responsibility with what rightfully customers are required to have ... > responsibility,responsibility > > Sorry for my bad English. > > cheers. > > No dia 17/12/2013, às 10:37, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> escreveu: > >> Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team as >> if to suggest that we are being ignored. It seems to be the belief of some >> that the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and problems with >> Voice Over. I do not believe that this is the case. It is my belief that >> the Apple accessibility team has, in fact, a very limited role at Apple. >> Frankly, with the passing of the late great Steve Jobs, that role has >> perhaps demenished greatly. I believe that the Apple accessibility team >> never has had actual decision making capacity with respect to actual >> implementation of fixes for Voice Over. They didn’t even have this power >> under Steve Jobs. Unless I am very much mistaken, all the accessibility >> team has any power to do is to forward our findings over to the development >> teams but nothing more. They cannot even tell us whether or not our reports >> will be acted upon. Now, this last is most likely a part of Apple’s non >> disclosure policy: however, I suspect that even if this was not so, Apple’s >> accessibility team would not be informed in any case. In short, it seems >> that the only function that this accessibility team has and will ever have >> at Apple is not much more than a kind of clearing house of feedback from us >> blind users. I cannot help wonder how many Apple app developmental teams >> look at submissions from the accessibility team and say to themselves, “Oh, >> no, not again.”. I suspect that this explains why it is that our reports >> seem to go unheeded. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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