On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote:
Cheree Heppe here:
Would you suggeat, then, that the blindness accessibility fall into the
category of a publicity stunt and that Apple gets to accessibility elements
when it benefits this aim?
I have experienced increasing bugs across the IOS platform that impair
function. I am collecting my info systematically and intend to mention it.
Regards,
Cheree Heppe
Sent from my IPhone 4S
On 17 Dec 2013, at 5:58, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I would also like to point out, the accessibility team is made up of more
people than the people who read our e-mails and answer our calls. There are a
few dedicated Voiceover engineers. I’m guessing not many, but a few that work
on Voiceover specific issues. I think we must understand like most huge
companies, maybe even more so with Apple, things are very compartmentalized.
So, there might be an accessibility issue in Mail for example that the people
responsible for the Mail app must address. Sure, the VO engineers might
assist, and point out the errors on a technical level, but they might not be a
high priority for the Mail team to address, and the Voiceover team just doesn’t
have access to that to do it themselves. They might well be as frustrated as
you or I. And this stuff about Steve’s Jobs passing being related to the
lessoning or enhancing of Apple accessibility sounds so silly to me its not
even funny. I mean guys, do you not remember me and others complaining about
access to third party icons in the status menu? That wasn’t added until last
year. If my math is right, Steve Jobs had been gone over a year by then. I
don’t hear anyone thanking Tim cook for this. lol. Yes, don’t get me wrong, I
think Steve Jobs and others at Apple felt strongly about accessibility. But
less not kid ourselves. I don’t think Jobs was spending sleepless nights
trying to figure out how to make Voiceover better. After all, there was a gap
of around 4 years where the Mac was completely inaccessible. I’m just pointing
out facts here folks. I’m as biggest Steve Jobs fan as you might find, but I’m
not going to delude myself in thinking he coded Voiceover with his own two
hands. :).
JMO.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:37 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team as if
to suggest that we are being ignored. It seems to be the belief of some that
the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and problems with Voice
Over. I do not believe that this is the case. It is my belief that the Apple
accessibility team has, in fact, a very limited role at Apple. Frankly, with
the passing of the late great Steve Jobs, that role has perhaps demenished
greatly. I believe that the Apple accessibility team never has had actual
decision making capacity with respect to actual implementation of fixes for
Voice Over. They didn’t even have this power under Steve Jobs. Unless I am
very much mistaken, all the accessibility team has any power to do is to
forward our findings over to the development teams but nothing more. They
cannot even tell us whether or not our reports will be acted upon. Now, this
last is most likely a part of Apple’s non disclosure policy: however, I
suspect that even if this was not so, Apple’s accessibility team would not be
informed in any case. In short, it seems that the only function that this
accessibility team has and will ever have at Apple is not much more than a kind
of clearing house of feedback from us blind users. I cannot help wonder how
many Apple app developmental teams look at submissions from the accessibility
team and say to themselves, “Oh, no, not again.”. I suspect that this explains
why it is that our reports seem to go unheeded.
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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