Hey guys. About the mail thing, just switch to classic layout under viewing in Mail’s preferences. That way, you can navigate by and hide/show columns you don’t want or need. HTH, Matthew Campbell
On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Buddy Brannan <bu...@brannan.name> wrote: > Also, it would seem to me that Tim Cook is at least as committed to > accessibility and inclusion as was his predecessor. He’s the guy in charge. > He’s the 50,000 foot view big picture guy. > > As to complaints about Voiceover’s not improving between 10.9.0 and 10.9.1, > I’d say there are some improvements, but some of what y’all are asking for, > such as having the read/unread status read at the beginning of the row > instead of at the end, I suspect, are more design changes in Mail than they > are with Voideover itself. I wish that it’d read the other way too, but if > the columns are ordered such that the read/unread status is at the far right > instead of the far left, how do you propose Voiceover handle that? I find > some value in having information presented in the way that it’s presented to > everyone else. Sure, I’d love to be able to rearrange the columns so that > things would read in the order I want them to, but that’s not Voiceover’s > fault. Yes, there are things that *are* Voiceover’s fault, like the > inconsistent VO+J behavior, the “Blah blah busy” thing, the “1 row added” > thing. But guess what? This is what we asked for. We wanted built-in > accessibility to mainstream products, and we got it. There’s good with that > as well as bad. I, personally, think the good outweighs the bad, but there > are tradeoffs, including that we sometimes have to wait longer for bugs to > get fixed. Stand in line, because your bugs get stuck in the pile with > everyone else’s bugs. > On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I would also like to point out, the accessibility team is made up of more >> people than the people who read our e-mails and answer our calls. There are >> a few dedicated Voiceover engineers. I’m guessing not many, but a few that >> work on Voiceover specific issues. I think we must understand like most >> huge companies, maybe even more so with Apple, things are very >> compartmentalized. So, there might be an accessibility issue in Mail for >> example that the people responsible for the Mail app must address. Sure, >> the VO engineers might assist, and point out the errors on a technical >> level, but they might not be a high priority for the Mail team to address, >> and the Voiceover team just doesn’t have access to that to do it themselves. >> They might well be as frustrated as you or I. And this stuff about Steve’s >> Jobs passing being related to the lessoning or enhancing of Apple >> accessibility sounds so silly to me its not even funny. I mean guys, do you >> not remember me and others complaining about access to third party icons in >> the status menu? That wasn’t added until last year. If my math is right, >> Steve Jobs had been gone over a year by then. I don’t hear anyone thanking >> Tim cook for this. lol. Yes, don’t get me wrong, I think Steve Jobs and >> others at Apple felt strongly about accessibility. But less not kid >> ourselves. I don’t think Jobs was spending sleepless nights trying to >> figure out how to make Voiceover better. After all, there was a gap of >> around 4 years where the Mac was completely inaccessible. I’m just pointing >> out facts here folks. I’m as biggest Steve Jobs fan as you might find, but >> I’m not going to delude myself in thinking he coded Voiceover with his own >> two hands. :). >> >> JMO. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:37 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team as >>> if to suggest that we are being ignored. It seems to be the belief of some >>> that the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and problems >>> with Voice Over. I do not believe that this is the case. It is my belief >>> that the Apple accessibility team has, in fact, a very limited role at >>> Apple. Frankly, with the passing of the late great Steve Jobs, that role >>> has perhaps demenished greatly. I believe that the Apple accessibility team >>> never has had actual decision making capacity with respect to actual >>> implementation of fixes for Voice Over. They didn’t even have this power >>> under Steve Jobs. Unless I am very much mistaken, all the accessibility >>> team has any power to do is to forward our findings over to the development >>> teams but nothing more. They cannot even tell us whether or not our >>> reports will be acted upon. Now, this last is most likely a part of >>> Apple’s non disclosure policy: however, I suspect that even if this was >>> not so, Apple’s accessibility team would not be informed in any case. In >>> short, it seems that the only function that this accessibility team has and >>> will ever have at Apple is not much more than a kind of clearing house of >>> feedback from us blind users. I cannot help wonder how many Apple app >>> developmental teams look at submissions from the accessibility team and say >>> to themselves, “Oh, no, not again.”. I suspect that this explains why it >>> is that our reports seem to go unheeded. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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