Hi Ricardo,
Yes, very true on all points. Interaction is one of the more difficult
concepts for a new Mac user, especially one coming from Windows, but it's also
one I have found is often blown out of proportion as far as the challenge it is
made. It can be annoying at times, but it's not a big deal once you have an
idea of what it is and when you have to do it.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
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On Jul 30, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I think these are great tips. I’ve also come to realize many people I’ve
> worked with interact too much. For example, some interact with the sources
> table in iTunes to navigate through their playlists. This isn’t necessary.
> With quick nav off, just using the up and down arrows will do. The same when
> in the songs table in iTunes. There’s really no need to interact unless you
> want to manipulate something directly associated with the thing in the table.
> For example, checking a checkbox or, bringing up context menu for the
> specific item.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Jul 30, 2013, at 8:00 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ray,
>> I know what you mean. I wasn't criticizing you at all. My point is that
>> it's highly unlikely that interacting will be something that will disappear
>> from VoiceOver.
>>
>> I don't know if this will apply to you, but in regard to Mary's post, when
>> working with clients, here are some element types of note to consider when
>> it comes to knowing when to interact and when not to. This is really half
>> the battle. If you know these items require it, it will make the process a
>> snap.
>>
>> 1. Scroll areas, this includes text edit and HTML content areas.
>> 2. Radio Groups, such as in Contacts or Calendar
>> 3. Browser windows, such as in Finder
>> 4. Tables. Keep in mind that the inbox, the Sidebar, your iTunes music list
>> and many other items are considered to be tables.
>> 5. Sliders, such as in Energy Saver preferences
>> 6. Toolbars, just about in every app I can think of, including Finder. Note
>> that control-F5 will place you in any application's toolbar and will have
>> you automatically interact with it.
>>
>> Again, as I said earlier, the VO-j and tab keys also limit the amount of
>> interacting and stop interacting required. It also helps if you map the
>> interaction commands to a NumPad or Keyboard Commander shortcut.
>>
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Ray Foret jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, John, it's not that I don't understand what interaction does, I was
>>> just offering my own ideas based somewhat on a new experience.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>>> built-in!
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2013, at 5:29 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't believe that interaction could be removed in OS X. You are
>>>> comparing two entirely different operating systems and situations. You
>>>> have to understand what exactly interacting does and how it works. iOS
>>>> is a different and much more streamlined interface compared to the
>>>> complexity of OS X. It's not a difficult concept to deal with and you can
>>>> make it much easier on yourself in a lot of ways.
>>>> Remember that the tab key will allow you to automatically interact with
>>>> items, and in situations it's available, like Mail, the control-option-j
>>>> command will automatically interact.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take Care
>>>>
>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>> Director
>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Ray Foret jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good points. I should like, however, to ask something. Wouldn't the
>>>>> move to next and previous container areas be useful in the situation with
>>>>> ITunes you sight? Either way, I can see interaction being done away
>>>>> with; and, in my view, this would make a better and more true across the
>>>>> board expierence. I'd like to know how others feel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>>>>> built-in!
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I couldn't disagree more. Its not the concept of interacting that's the
>>>>>> problem, its in certain applications one has to do it too often to get
>>>>>> to basic functions. streamlining these applications would do away with
>>>>>> most of the inconveniences interacting might have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep in mind, and iPhone, and to lesser extent the iPad, has to maximize
>>>>>> a limited amount of screen space. Instead of multiple windows displayed
>>>>>> at the same time that you need to interact with, they use pages that you
>>>>>> move back and forth through. On a desktop, for navigating though tons
>>>>>> of information, I truly believe the interaction model is great when
>>>>>> using a screen reader. If you don't believe me, use iTunes on Windows
>>>>>> for a while. haha. You will be tabbing to death.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Ray Foret jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, I was beginning to think I might just have to do that. To speak
>>>>>>> frankly, I think it's high time Apple made the Mac OS function more
>>>>>>> like the IPhone IOS. One of the things I'd like to see Apple do away
>>>>>>> with is the concept of interaction. Yeah, I know that sounds strange,
>>>>>>> but, once you've paired an Apple bluetooth keyboard with an Iphone, you
>>>>>>> will quickly come to the opinion that it's actually faster not having
>>>>>>> to interact with stuff, and, in my view, if Apple really wants
>>>>>>> universal across the board compatibility, they really do need
>>>>>>> eventially to make a truly seemless experience. Part of that, I think,
>>>>>>> means they will have to do away with interaction and this alone would
>>>>>>> help a good deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But this, I sussepct, belongs under its own thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
>>>>>>> blind built-in!
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Chris H <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Turn QuickNav off for best results with Mail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2013 19:51, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Okay,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, at last, I have decided to give Quick Nav more of a try on my
>>>>>>>>> Mac. I find, however, that when I am in Mail, I can't move around
>>>>>>>>> from message to message even after interacting with the message
>>>>>>>>> table. Can those of y'all who use quick Nav give me some tips how to
>>>>>>>>> most effectively move around in Mail? Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
>>>>>>>>> blind built-in!
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>>>>>>>
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