jesús, this is a fascinating discussion. Personally, I use Fred on a daily basis for reading in English, and Paulina when reading in Spanish. Alex is okay, but I prefer a responsive Voice, and I find that I'm able to move about the Mac more quickly using Fred. I have tried Javier for Spanish, but find him less understandable.
On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote: > Same here with regards to male voices rather than female, though I have no > major issues with Samantha. Can someone post how to download and install the > realspeak voices for the mac? > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McGee > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 08:26 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be fixed or > squashed in Mountain Lion? > > Interesting, because I'm the opposite. I would rather use eloquence and I > would rather use male voices than female. I guess it all comes down to > personal taste in the end. > > Daniel > On 3 Jul 2012, at 14:47, Missy Hoppe wrote: > >> While I agree 100 percent that Eloquence is the only speech that is >> efficient enough to actually get things done with, I've never been >> particularly fond of it. Not sure that makes sense given that I've >> used Glen more or less exclusively for the past >> 12 years or so, but on the whole, I think Eloquence is seriously >> over-rated. True, it's the only thing I use on the PC side, but that's >> out of necessity, not because I find it pleasant or anything. I don't >> use the RealSpeak voices on the mac either, though. I even bought the >> acapella voices, but still find myself only using Alex as a general >> rule. So, while I can see both sides of the coin on the eloquence >> thing, it's nothing I'd get all excited about if Apple ever incorporated > it. In most cases, Alex is responsive enough for my needs on the mac. I'd > love to see a female equivelent of Alex, though. Alice, perhaps? It's just > that when it comes to those higher quality voices, I find the female ones > slightly easier to understand in most cases. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McGee >> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:39 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be fixed > or squashed in Mountain Lion? >> >> eloquence 100% is for me. If I had this, then I wouldn't be using >> windows anymore there's something about the voice that I can listen to >> it and I don't get tired of it. I have a hearing impairment and find >> it is more clear understandable in words than these silly nuance >> voices. I don't want that to be offending to anyone who uses the nuance > real speak voices but for me, I just don't understand them clearly, to slow > no matter how much I speed them up I can't understand them when they are > really fast anyway and lastly too slow even when I can follow them. >> Ohand caps lock gets my vote too. >> If the day comes where Apple have eloquence added to the list of VO >> voices, will be the day where I differently upgrade my OS! >> >> How do others feel about eloquence being added? >> You got me started on this one! LOL >> >> Daniel >> On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:47, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> I guess that makes sense. I suppose that is the charm of VO, it can be > used in so many different ways. >>> >>> If I am using my iMac, then I tend to use the numeric keypad., and if >>> I am using my iOS devices I use quick nav via a >> bluetooth keyboard, and when using my Macbook I use the track pad. >>> >>> Caps lock gets my vote too then if anyone at Apple is listening. >>> >>> HOw about built in OCR anyone? or would anyone like to see eloquence > added to the voice list too? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:18, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>> >>>> I prefer not to have to take my fingers off the home keys. It is not >>>> so much with the arrow keys that I would want to use >> the caps lock key but with the other vo commands. I can't help think >> that the caps lock key is a complete waste of prime keyboard >> real-estate, if you know what I mean. It is much more efficient to my >> way of thinking to just move your little finger to the caps lock key as > compared to either removing your left or right hand from it's home keys to > press the current VO modifiers. >>>> >>>> Garth >>>> iblindtech.com >>>> >>>> On 03/07/2012, at 8:39 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well with any luck Apple may head in this direction, as they appear >>>>> to have got the message with iOS 6 that zoom and >> voice over at the same time would be beneficial. If it was improved >> and there were better contrast colour schemes, I may consider using it >> myself. I sometimes fire up ZoomText on my work PC when using JAWS to > sometimes find that button within a web page that JAWS can't see or a dialog > window that JAWS refuses to read. >>>>> >>>>> So where would you see using the caps lock over using quick nav? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 10:31, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There are a few bugs when zoomed to high levels, i.e., more than >>>>>> 14X or so. If you have VO running and zoom set to >> follow the keyboard focus you will find that the command tab to switch >> between apps becomes unreliable and navigating the menu bar with the >> arrow keys is also unreliable. Also I don't like the way it tracks and >> works with reading text. I'd like better colour options and keyboard >> commands to adjust them, or at least for the invert brightness >> keyboard command not to conflict with a Voice Over command. You would >> think that Apple would be able to sort out keyboard command conflicts > between two of their own accessibility utilities. I am sure there are work > arounds for some of these but a work around isn't the same as fixing the > problem. For example the menu navigation issue I mentioned does not occur if > you use swipes on the trackpad with trackpad commander to navigate the menu. > It only happens with the arrow keys - strange but there you are. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I used it regularly I would probably come across more of the >>>>>> issues. It really doesn't seem to me that apple intended >> the two utilities to work together or at least that this was an edge >> case. It would seem to me that they expected people to use either option > exclusively and if so, they are probably right. Most people probably do use > one or the other. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd also love to see the safari busy issue buried deep. >>>>>> >>>>>> The addition of the ability to set the caps lock key to act as the VO > modifier would also be great. >>>>>> >>>>>> Garth >>>>>> iblindtech.com >>>>>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:48 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What improvements would you like fixed in particular when it comes to > zoom? >>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 09:44, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd love to see some improvements to the way VO works with Zoom >>>>>>>> and just some improvements to Zoom in general. I >> mostly don't use Zoom on my Mac but this only because it is so poor >> when compared to things like ZoomText in the windows world. It is >> probably great if you don't need to use Voice Over or if you only need a > little enlargement but it falls completely short for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Garth >>>>>>>> iblindtech.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:26 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Riccardo, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Actually that is what I was hinting at to be honest, as i feel >>>>>>>>> the method of selecting text within Safari is rather >> sloppy. You can also navigate by line within iOS, so hoped that >> feature would come across to OS X. Navigating by line is also useful >> when trying to read pages that have been styled into columns via CSS > instead of a table. This can be done in JAWS quite nicely. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow. >>>>>>>>>> That would radically change the way VO navigates the >> web, and I'm not sure it would be for the better. It would be selecting > text easier though. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Chris Moore > <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 >>>>>>>>>>> improvements. I can't remember them all now, so perhaps I >>>>>>>>>>> have >> just learnt to live without them. I did report them to Apple though as > bugs and feature enhancements. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by > the pathetic slow buffering system voice over uses. >> So I would like to see that rewritten from the ground up. There are a >> few random performance bugs that happen now and then which require me to > switch voice over off then back on again. So overall performance could do > with being improved. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when >>>>>>>>>>> switching between tabs, being told that is an HTML >> page is not exactly helpful. I would also like to navigate line by >> line just by pressing the down arrow or up key. VO still needs a bit >> of work when reporting how many HMTL elements are on a web page, some > windows screen readers seem to find more tables and headings than VO, > especially in the buggy rotor. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with >>>>>>>>>>> Preview, but I believe this is coming in the next >> Mountain Lion release (according to Apple's website). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a >>>>>>>>>>> huge update to iWork. There just is not enough >> accessible productive software on the Mac. There is more to using a Mac > than just Skype and Mail surely? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak >>>>>>>>>>> voices where the pitch used to shift up and down >> randomly. I stopped using those voices as it became too annoying. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's >>>>>>>>>>> dictionary. For example if you type third as in the number 3 >> followed by the letters r and d, you get 3rd (three road), surely this >> should be a third? So I think the ability to edit some of VO's >> assumptions would be nice, or maybe VO should grow up and become a tad > more intelligent. I would like more control over how VO reads out numbers > too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what >>>>>>>>>>> VO calls an HTML area, as something else? For >> example when using adium the chat window is called an HTML area, am >> sure a chat window or conversation window would be more meaningful. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the > iTunes store. The page takes a while to render. >> Well actually visually it does not, but VO seems to think it does. >> Actually come to mention it when VO says something is busy, a sighted > person can still move the mouse and perform the action they require, it is > just VO's buffer which is busy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I spotted another bug today too. When ordering a smart case >>>>>>>>>>> for my iPad, VO was unable to read out the colour >> options. When trying to select a colour, VO simply said "space radio >> button" for each of the 6 colours. The work around seemed to be >> select a colour, go back to the top of the screen and read out the >> description to see if the default green had changed. Or look in the > basket and hope to god you have not selected pink. I eventually performed > this task via the Apple Store app on my iPhone which performed perfectly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that >>>>>>>>>>>> they would like so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain >> Lion. >>>>>>>>>>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there >>>>>>>>>>>> are not many enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, >> then what bugs would you like fixed and hope Apple has done there job with > it. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll go 1st. >>>>>>>>>>>> For me its safari. two things for me. >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket >>>>>>>>>>>> Voiceover doesn't announce my list of headings or >> links that I have set in VO utility. >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't >>>>>>>>>>>> always know when the page is fully loaded when going back, >> I get the lovely "Voiceover Busy!" Not! >>>>>>>>>>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So what are yours? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> interested to see what people can come up with and I'm >> sure there will be some good ones! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! 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