Okay yep I have done that already just wanted to be certain this is what folks were talking about. Thank you.
-----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McGee Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 09:45 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be fixed or squashed in Mountain Lion? open VO utility VO F8. Arrow down to speech stop interacting or use the tab key press it until you hear the pop up button with your chosen voice. Open this with VO space bar arrow down to customise VO space again. A new dialog box should come up. VO arrow around. Note there is an edit box so in my case I would type English in here and arrow right again there should be a voices table. Interact with it. then just use the VO keys in conjunction with the up and down arrow keys. Find the voices you want and check them with VO space. Once your done stop interacting or use the tab key to find the OK button. It should ask if you want to go ahead and download your selected voices and depending on how many you have chosen, it may varie in file size so just be aware of that. if you have done it before though, then open up the voices pop up button and they should be there. Note to remove a voice, just do the same thing but uncheck the ones you don't want. hth Daniel On 4 Jul 2012, at 13:49, Jesus Garcia wrote: > Same here with regards to male voices rather than female, though I > have no major issues with Samantha. Can someone post how to download > and install the realspeak voices for the mac? > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McGee > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 08:26 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be > fixed or squashed in Mountain Lion? > > Interesting, because I'm the opposite. I would rather use eloquence > and I would rather use male voices than female. I guess it all comes > down to personal taste in the end. > > Daniel > On 3 Jul 2012, at 14:47, Missy Hoppe wrote: > >> While I agree 100 percent that Eloquence is the only speech that is >> efficient enough to actually get things done with, I've never been >> particularly fond of it. Not sure that makes sense given that I've >> used Glen more or less exclusively for the past >> 12 years or so, but on the whole, I think Eloquence is seriously >> over-rated. True, it's the only thing I use on the PC side, but >> that's out of necessity, not because I find it pleasant or anything. >> I don't use the RealSpeak voices on the mac either, though. I even >> bought the acapella voices, but still find myself only using Alex as >> a general rule. So, while I can see both sides of the coin on the >> eloquence thing, it's nothing I'd get all excited about if Apple ever >> incorporated > it. In most cases, Alex is responsive enough for my needs on the mac. > I'd love to see a female equivelent of Alex, though. Alice, perhaps? > It's just that when it comes to those higher quality voices, I find > the female ones slightly easier to understand in most cases. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McGee >> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:39 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be >> fixed > or squashed in Mountain Lion? >> >> eloquence 100% is for me. If I had this, then I wouldn't be using >> windows anymore there's something about the voice that I can listen >> to it and I don't get tired of it. I have a hearing impairment and >> find it is more clear understandable in words than these silly nuance >> voices. I don't want that to be offending to anyone who uses the >> nuance > real speak voices but for me, I just don't understand them clearly, to > slow no matter how much I speed them up I can't understand them when > they are really fast anyway and lastly too slow even when I can follow them. >> Ohand caps lock gets my vote too. >> If the day comes where Apple have eloquence added to the list of VO >> voices, will be the day where I differently upgrade my OS! >> >> How do others feel about eloquence being added? >> You got me started on this one! LOL >> >> Daniel >> On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:47, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> I guess that makes sense. I suppose that is the charm of VO, it can >>> be > used in so many different ways. >>> >>> If I am using my iMac, then I tend to use the numeric keypad., and >>> if I am using my iOS devices I use quick nav via a >> bluetooth keyboard, and when using my Macbook I use the track pad. >>> >>> Caps lock gets my vote too then if anyone at Apple is listening. >>> >>> HOw about built in OCR anyone? or would anyone like to see eloquence > added to the voice list too? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:18, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>> >>>> I prefer not to have to take my fingers off the home keys. It is >>>> not so much with the arrow keys that I would want to use >> the caps lock key but with the other vo commands. I can't help think >> that the caps lock key is a complete waste of prime keyboard >> real-estate, if you know what I mean. It is much more efficient to my >> way of thinking to just move your little finger to the caps lock key >> as > compared to either removing your left or right hand from it's home > keys to press the current VO modifiers. >>>> >>>> Garth >>>> iblindtech.com >>>> >>>> On 03/07/2012, at 8:39 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well with any luck Apple may head in this direction, as they >>>>> appear to have got the message with iOS 6 that zoom and >> voice over at the same time would be beneficial. If it was improved >> and there were better contrast colour schemes, I may consider using >> it myself. I sometimes fire up ZoomText on my work PC when using >> JAWS to > sometimes find that button within a web page that JAWS can't see or a > dialog window that JAWS refuses to read. >>>>> >>>>> So where would you see using the caps lock over using quick nav? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 10:31, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There are a few bugs when zoomed to high levels, i.e., more than >>>>>> 14X or so. If you have VO running and zoom set to >> follow the keyboard focus you will find that the command tab to >> switch between apps becomes unreliable and navigating the menu bar >> with the arrow keys is also unreliable. Also I don't like the way it >> tracks and works with reading text. I'd like better colour options >> and keyboard commands to adjust them, or at least for the invert >> brightness keyboard command not to conflict with a Voice Over >> command. You would think that Apple would be able to sort out >> keyboard command conflicts > between two of their own accessibility utilities. I am sure there are > work arounds for some of these but a work around isn't the same as > fixing the problem. For example the menu navigation issue I mentioned > does not occur if you use swipes on the trackpad with trackpad commander to navigate the menu. > It only happens with the arrow keys - strange but there you are. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I used it regularly I would probably come across more of the >>>>>> issues. It really doesn't seem to me that apple intended >> the two utilities to work together or at least that this was an edge >> case. It would seem to me that they expected people to use either >> option > exclusively and if so, they are probably right. Most people probably > do use one or the other. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd also love to see the safari busy issue buried deep. >>>>>> >>>>>> The addition of the ability to set the caps lock key to act as >>>>>> the VO > modifier would also be great. >>>>>> >>>>>> Garth >>>>>> iblindtech.com >>>>>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:48 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What improvements would you like fixed in particular when it >>>>>>> comes to > zoom? >>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 09:44, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd love to see some improvements to the way VO works with Zoom >>>>>>>> and just some improvements to Zoom in general. I >> mostly don't use Zoom on my Mac but this only because it is so poor >> when compared to things like ZoomText in the windows world. It is >> probably great if you don't need to use Voice Over or if you only >> need a > little enlargement but it falls completely short for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Garth >>>>>>>> iblindtech.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:26 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Riccardo, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Actually that is what I was hinting at to be honest, as i feel >>>>>>>>> the method of selecting text within Safari is rather >> sloppy. You can also navigate by line within iOS, so hoped that >> feature would come across to OS X. Navigating by line is also useful >> when trying to read pages that have been styled into columns via CSS > instead of a table. This can be done in JAWS quite nicely. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow. >>>>>>>>>> That would radically change the way VO navigates the >> web, and I'm not sure it would be for the better. It would be >> selecting > text easier though. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Chris Moore > <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 >>>>>>>>>>> improvements. I can't remember them all now, so perhaps I >>>>>>>>>>> have >> just learnt to live without them. I did report them to Apple though >> as > bugs and feature enhancements. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused >>>>>>>>>>> by > the pathetic slow buffering system voice over uses. >> So I would like to see that rewritten from the ground up. There are >> a few random performance bugs that happen now and then which require >> me to > switch voice over off then back on again. So overall performance > could do with being improved. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when >>>>>>>>>>> switching between tabs, being told that is an HTML >> page is not exactly helpful. I would also like to navigate line by >> line just by pressing the down arrow or up key. VO still needs a bit >> of work when reporting how many HMTL elements are on a web page, >> some > windows screen readers seem to find more tables and headings than VO, > especially in the buggy rotor. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with >>>>>>>>>>> Preview, but I believe this is coming in the next >> Mountain Lion release (according to Apple's website). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a >>>>>>>>>>> huge update to iWork. There just is not enough >> accessible productive software on the Mac. There is more to using a >> Mac > than just Skype and Mail surely? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak >>>>>>>>>>> voices where the pitch used to shift up and down >> randomly. I stopped using those voices as it became too annoying. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's >>>>>>>>>>> dictionary. For example if you type third as in the number >>>>>>>>>>> 3 >> followed by the letters r and d, you get 3rd (three road), surely >> this should be a third? So I think the ability to edit some of VO's >> assumptions would be nice, or maybe VO should grow up and become a >> tad > more intelligent. I would like more control over how VO reads out > numbers too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name >>>>>>>>>>> what VO calls an HTML area, as something else? For >> example when using adium the chat window is called an HTML area, am >> sure a chat window or conversation window would be more meaningful. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering >>>>>>>>>>> the > iTunes store. The page takes a while to render. >> Well actually visually it does not, but VO seems to think it does. >> Actually come to mention it when VO says something is busy, a sighted > person can still move the mouse and perform the action they require, > it is just VO's buffer which is busy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I spotted another bug today too. When ordering a smart case >>>>>>>>>>> for my iPad, VO was unable to read out the colour >> options. When trying to select a colour, VO simply said "space radio >> button" for each of the 6 colours. The work around seemed to be >> select a colour, go back to the top of the screen and read out the >> description to see if the default green had changed. Or look in the > basket and hope to god you have not selected pink. I eventually > performed this task via the Apple Store app on my iPhone which performed perfectly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that >>>>>>>>>>>> they would like so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain >> Lion. >>>>>>>>>>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there >>>>>>>>>>>> are not many enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, >> then what bugs would you like fixed and hope Apple has done there job >> with > it. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll go 1st. >>>>>>>>>>>> For me its safari. two things for me. >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket >>>>>>>>>>>> Voiceover doesn't announce my list of headings or >> links that I have set in VO utility. >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't >>>>>>>>>>>> always know when the page is fully loaded when going back, >> I get the lovely "Voiceover Busy!" Not! >>>>>>>>>>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So what are yours? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> interested to see what people can come up with and I'm >> sure there will be some good ones! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! 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