Well with any luck Apple may head in this direction, as they appear to have got the message with iOS 6 that zoom and voice over at the same time would be beneficial. If it was improved and there were better contrast colour schemes, I may consider using it myself. I sometimes fire up ZoomText on my work PC when using JAWS to sometimes find that button within a web page that JAWS can't see or a dialog window that JAWS refuses to read.
So where would you see using the caps lock over using quick nav? Thanks Chris On 3 Jul 2012, at 10:31, Garth Humphreys wrote: > There are a few bugs when zoomed to high levels, i.e., more than 14X or so. > If you have VO running and zoom set to follow the keyboard focus you will > find that the command tab to switch between apps becomes unreliable and > navigating the menu bar with the arrow keys is also unreliable. Also I don't > like the way it tracks and works with reading text. I'd like better colour > options and keyboard commands to adjust them, or at least for the invert > brightness keyboard command not to conflict with a Voice Over command. You > would think that Apple would be able to sort out keyboard command conflicts > between two of their own accessibility utilities. I am sure there are work > arounds for some of these but a work around isn't the same as fixing the > problem. For example the menu navigation issue I mentioned does not occur if > you use swipes on the trackpad with trackpad commander to navigate the menu. > It only happens with the arrow keys - strange but there you are. > > If I used it regularly I would probably come across more of the issues. It > really doesn't seem to me that apple intended the two utilities to work > together or at least that this was an edge case. It would seem to me that > they expected people to use either option exclusively and if so, they are > probably right. Most people probably do use one or the other. > > I'd also love to see the safari busy issue buried deep. > > The addition of the ability to set the caps lock key to act as the VO > modifier would also be great. > > Garth > iblindtech.com > On 03/07/2012, at 6:48 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> What improvements would you like fixed in particular when it comes to zoom? >> On 3 Jul 2012, at 09:44, Garth Humphreys wrote: >> >>> I'd love to see some improvements to the way VO works with Zoom and just >>> some improvements to Zoom in general. I mostly don't use Zoom on my Mac but >>> this only because it is so poor when compared to things like ZoomText in >>> the windows world. It is probably great if you don't need to use Voice Over >>> or if you only need a little enlargement but it falls completely short for >>> me. >>> >>> Garth >>> iblindtech.com >>> >>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:26 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Riccardo, >>>> >>>> Actually that is what I was hinting at to be honest, as i feel the method >>>> of selecting text within Safari is rather sloppy. You can also navigate >>>> by line within iOS, so hoped that feature would come across to OS X. >>>> Navigating by line is also useful when trying to read pages that have been >>>> styled into columns via CSS instead of a table. This can be done in JAWS >>>> quite nicely. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow. That would >>>>> radically change the way VO navigates the web, and I'm not sure it would >>>>> be for the better. It would be selecting text easier though. >>>>> >>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements. I can't >>>>>> remember them all now, so perhaps I have just learnt to live without >>>>>> them. I did report them to Apple though as bugs and feature >>>>>> enhancements. >>>>>> >>>>>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by the >>>>>> pathetic slow buffering system voice over uses. So I would like to see >>>>>> that rewritten from the ground up. There are a few random performance >>>>>> bugs that happen now and then which require me to switch voice over off >>>>>> then back on again. So overall performance could do with being improved. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when switching >>>>>> between tabs, being told that is an HTML page is not exactly helpful. I >>>>>> would also like to navigate line by line just by pressing the down arrow >>>>>> or up key. VO still needs a bit of work when reporting how many HMTL >>>>>> elements are on a web page, some windows screen readers seem to find >>>>>> more tables and headings than VO, especially in the buggy rotor. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with Preview, but >>>>>> I believe this is coming in the next Mountain Lion release (according to >>>>>> Apple's website). >>>>>> >>>>>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a huge update >>>>>> to iWork. There just is not enough accessible productive software on >>>>>> the Mac. There is more to using a Mac than just Skype and Mail surely? >>>>>> >>>>>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak voices where >>>>>> the pitch used to shift up and down randomly. I stopped using those >>>>>> voices as it became too annoying. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's dictionary. For >>>>>> example if you type third as in the number 3 followed by the letters r >>>>>> and d, you get 3rd (three road), surely this should be a third? So I >>>>>> think the ability to edit some of VO's assumptions would be nice, or >>>>>> maybe VO should grow up and become a tad more intelligent. I would like >>>>>> more control over how VO reads out numbers too. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what VO calls >>>>>> an HTML area, as something else? For example when using adium the chat >>>>>> window is called an HTML area, am sure a chat window or conversation >>>>>> window would be more meaningful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the iTunes >>>>>> store. The page takes a while to render. Well actually visually it >>>>>> does not, but VO seems to think it does. Actually come to mention it >>>>>> when VO says something is busy, a sighted person can still move the >>>>>> mouse and perform the action they require, it is just VO's buffer which >>>>>> is busy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I spotted another bug today too. When ordering a smart case for my >>>>>> iPad, VO was unable to read out the colour options. When trying to >>>>>> select a colour, VO simply said "space radio button" for each of the 6 >>>>>> colours. The work around seemed to be select a colour, go back to the >>>>>> top of the screen and read out the description to see if the default >>>>>> green had changed. Or look in the basket and hope to god you have not >>>>>> selected pink. I eventually performed this task via the Apple Store app >>>>>> on my iPhone which performed perfectly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they would >>>>>>> like so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion. >>>>>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not many >>>>>>> enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would you like >>>>>>> fixed and hope Apple has done there job with it. >>>>>>> I'll go 1st. >>>>>>> For me its safari. two things for me. >>>>>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket Voiceover >>>>>>> doesn't announce my list of headings or links that I have set in VO >>>>>>> utility. >>>>>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't always know >>>>>>> when the page is fully loaded when going back, I get the lovely >>>>>>> "Voiceover Busy!" Not! >>>>>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So what are yours? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm interested to >>>>>>> see what people can come up with and I'm sure there will be some good >>>>>>> ones! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! 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