A good point. I guess I mean that, now that it is here, it is a feature that will quickly become a staple; if something is inaccessible, you can now ocr it and usually end up making it accessible despite itself.
On 1/4/12, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: > lol, > > short coming? It was only a short coming as of what, 2 months ago? It is a > nice feature but I wouldn't call the lack of it a short coming. JMO. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > >> I feel it is only fair to mention that jaws13 and the development versions >> of nvda both include OCR, so a scanned image can be read for the most >> part. VO does not have this feature, and I think it would be a good idea >> for those who would find it useful to email accessibil...@apple.com to >> point out this shortcoming. >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from my iPod) >> mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap >> >> On Jan 4, 2012, at 19:57, Joanne Chua <shuang.an...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> As a newish user of mac, and someone who rely heavily on PDFs for >>> research and work purposes, i haven't come across any pdf issue. i >>> suppose something we need to understand, the issue is not with >>> screenreader itself, is with the image of the pdf itself. If you have >>> a scann image pdf file, regardless you use jaws, windoweyes, nvda, >>> system access or voiceover, unless you have an OCR, otherwise the >>> problem will still exist. However, i must say, from my pass months >>> experience, voiceover and include the IOS Voiceover, seems to be the >>> best screen reader when dealing with pdf. >>> It is not fair to compare Jaws or NVDA with Voiceover. you are kind of >>> comparing orrange and lemon, deciding what is better for you. >>> Regardless of what the arguements are, Jaws does slow things down >>> rapitly. You won't realize until you have a sighted person uses the >>> same computer as you do, turn your screenreader off, and have a go on >>> that. Even in some case, NVDA is more faster and supirial compare to >>> jaws. >>> Same with any other screen reader, it does slow things down, just >>> depends on if its in 0.001 second for voiceover or 1.00 second for >>> jaws. >>> >>> Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts >>> >>> Cheers >>> Joanne >>> >>> On 05/01/2012, matthew Dyer <matthewd...@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have been using my mac mini full time for quite some time now and I >>>> fimnd >>>> it to be useful for what I do even though there times I still wish I had >>>> a >>>> pc for things like sauving captches in firefox since ff is not >>>> accessible on >>>> the mac and never will be I gather. I am still try to get dropbox to >>>> work >>>> on this machine here and have not been secessful so far. it would also >>>> be >>>> nice to have a pc around for playing around with vinux, but that is a >>>> small >>>> thing since i can not afford vmware fusion at the moment. Just my >>>> thoughts. >>>> >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>>> >>>>> Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently >>>>> become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is >>>>> comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get >>>>> comfortable with any of the word processing options, >>>>> and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going >>>>> to >>>>> be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of >>>>> my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing >>>>> games, >>>>> and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client >>>>> works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for >>>>> a >>>>> truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is >>>>> accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak >>>>> automatically. >>>>> My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for >>>>> several years now. I just can't get comfortable >>>>> working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad >>>>> on >>>>> the PC. >>>>> Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things >>>>> that either don't work or I don't want to mess with >>>>> on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things >>>>> that >>>>> I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the >>>>> mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's >>>>> definitely >>>>> something I'll give Apple credit for; you can >>>>> install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with >>>>> carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to >>>>> restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic >>>>> happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is >>>>> Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: >>>>> changes >>>>> in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC >>>>> can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is >>>>> really awesome in that respect. >>>>> With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot >>>>> more than I did when I first bought it, to be >>>>> perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets >>>>> the >>>>> purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or >>>>> VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. >>>>> I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your >>>>> decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print >>>>> side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using >>>>> Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I >>>>> hope this helps you out at least a little. >>>>> Missy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:01 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC >>>>> >>>>> I got a Mini after hearing nothing but great things about the Mac and >>>>> VoiceOver. I can honestly say that I regret the >>>>> decision. I never understood editing, my system seemed sluggish >>>>> compared >>>>> to NVDA with Windows, and web browsing is slow on >>>>> the Mac when using vo. Also, a lot of what I do on the pc is audio >>>>> gaming, >>>>> and not so much as a good, accessible version of >>>>> Solitaire is available on the Mac, let alone shooting, strategy, or >>>>> other >>>>> intensively audio games. >>>>> I am still willing to admit that a good, long skype session with >>>>> someone >>>>> who is an experienced Mac user may help me, but as >>>>> of right now I almost never boot into Mac, using the Windows half of my >>>>> dual-booting mini almost exclusively. If you do >>>>> switch, make sure to either set up bootcamp or a virtual machine so you >>>>> can run Windows, because I can pretty much promise >>>>> that you will still be using Windows for a while after you start >>>>> playing >>>>> with the mac. Sorry to be so negative, but that's my >>>>> experience so far. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/3/12, Red.Falcon <velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Chuck! >>>>>> Although I do not use windows and never have! >>>>>> I have seen posts about the zoom and one thing the Mac cannot do is >>>>>> change colours! >>>>>> So its black on white or vice vursor! >>>>>> hth Colin >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4 Jan 2012, at 00:05, Chuck wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>> I'm seriously considering switching to a Mac Mini from PC. >>>>>>> I intend to use both the zoom and voice over programs. >>>>>>> I am currently using a PC with Windows 7 and zoom text as my >>>>>>> magnification and reading software. >>>>>>> I would like to hear from those of you who have made the switch. >>>>>>> What pitfalls should I look for? Are there any trade-offs? >>>>>>> In your opinion after making the switch which is the better system? >>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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