Hi Daniel,

Thanks for the explanation.  I avoid using Windows whenever possible, so was 
hoping this might be an alternative.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> 
> It's an app, but it requires hardware as well. I'm currently looking into a
> solution with Eye TV, but am on the fence currently.
> As far as watching TV on my actual TV, I loved having a somewhat accessible
> guide with windows Media center, which is why I wanted to find a similar
> solution on the mac.
> 
> 
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:21 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Watching live TV on a Mac.
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Though mostly I agree with Ricardo that I'd rather watch TV on my TV, I hate
> how inaccessible Charter is.  So an thinking that EyeTV might be an
> interesting option, at least when I'm watching TV by myself.  But I'm
> confused about one thing.  Is this an app, or does it also involve hardware?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Jim Fettgather wrote:
> 
>> I really enjoy using the Eye TV app with the iPhone because of the 
>> good accessibility in IOS 5, but I will sure be happy in encouraging 
>> El Gato Systems to consider accessibility in an upcoming release.
>> 
>> On 12/6/11, Mr. L. Alexander <turningbyto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> a thought on this.
>>> 
>>> If anyone is going to contact the developers, point them to mac 
>>> access and if anything, compile a list of names of those who grant 
>>> their permissions to support your contact to the developer. this 
>>> would give extra weight to the case. they can contact each person if 
>>> they wish for feedback or join in on this list to learn from us.
>>> 
>>> just a thought. it's what I'd do.
>>> 
>>> lew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6 Dec 2011, at 17:47, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm contacting them about it now, actually. Is the iPhone app just 
>>>> as inaccessible? Or is that more accessible than the mac software.
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stegall
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:43 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Watching live TV on a Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> I use eye tv everyday and I do think that if more of us talked with 
>>>> them about accessibility and show that there is demand for it Elgato 
>>>> might be interested and even motivated enough to do something about 
>>>> vo accessibility
>>>> 
>>>> Randy Stegall
>>>> kc4...@aol.com
>>>> Sent from my Mac Mini.
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Awesome. I wonder if Elgato would be open to accessibility 
>>>> suggestions? Or would you say minus the guide, the app is accessible 
>>>> enough to use it on a regular basis.
>>>> I really want to get rid of this Winblows box and completely switch 
>>>> to the mac, but watching TV was my last hurdle to jump over.
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stegall
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:45 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Watching live TV on a Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Command r starts recording.
>>>> 
>>>> Randy Stegall
>>>> kc4...@aol.com
>>>> Sent from my Mac Mini.
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 11:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for all the input, guys. So the only thing that's' not 
>>>> accessible is the guide, yet you can set up smart guides with some 
>>>> effort? Is there a hotkey to record whatever you're watching at any
> given moment?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:35 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Watching live TV on a Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Eye TV comes with a remote control which lets you do some functions 
>>>> that way. No feedback from VO to let you know what channel you're on 
>>>> but I guess that's no different than most cable boxes.
>>>> 
>>>> CB
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/6/11 9:15 AM, Randy Stegall wrote:
>>>> You can set smart guides so eye tv is not a total loss as one may 
>>>> believe at first.  It takes just a bit of effort.  I have 22 smart
> guides set up.
>>>> You have to interact with the unknowns but it is doable.  Is ity
> perfect?
>>>> No, but it can work.
>>>> 
>>>> Randy Stegall
>>>> kc4...@aol.com
>>>> Sent from my Mac Mini.
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 5:14 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You can easily change channels, volume, and much more with hot keys 
>>>> or through the menu, but the built-in guide that lets you set up 
>>>> recordings is not accessible.
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Hank Smith wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/5/2011 4:46 PM, Vaughn Bennison wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I use eyetv, which from what I can gather is the only software
> available.
>>>> I think there used to be another one, but I can't remember it's 
>>>> name, and can't find it anyway.  EyeTV is from Elgato systems, and 
>>>> is almost completely inaccessible.  You can watch live TV, and you 
>>>> can with some mucking around set up the preferences etc, but you 
>>>> can't use the guide, and therefore you can't record shows easily.  
>>>> You can however use the EyeTV app for IOS, which connects to your 
>>>> mac, and record shows that way, but not a full series only individual
> episodes--very annoying!
>>>> 
>>>> We've used it here for a year or so, and it seems to be OK, if you 
>>>> can live with the limitations.  The good thing is that if you can 
>>>> record something, the files are playable from finder.  And 
>>>> furthermore if you "show package contents" on one of the files, you 
>>>> can have it export to .m4v and play it with iTunes, or vlc.
>>>> 
>>>> Vaughn.
>>>> On 06/12/2011, at 1:09 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone had any luck with connecting their mac to a satellite or 
>>>> cable box to watch live TV from their provider? I've done this with 
>>>> Windows Media Center with great success, but wondered if there's any 
>>>> way to do it with Macs. I know there are TV tuner cards that are 
>>>> compatible, but I'm not sure of the accessibility of said software 
>>>> that's included with the cards, and don't want to spend the money 
>>>> only to find out the software's not accessible with VoiceOver.
>>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>> 
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