If the Mute VO toggle temporarily turned vo off, or put it to sleep so that the commands of VO wouldn't interact with those of ChromeVox, the answer would be yes. /Krister 27 sep 2011 kl. 17:56 skrev Red.Falcon:
> Hi! > Would the mute vo toggle in vo+h+h in audio be useful for this! > That could be set to any of the commanders like keyboard or one of the others! > There is also mute speech but not sure if that one would be useful! > Colin > > On 27 Sep 2011, at 16:38, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> Is there a way to configure VO to 'sleep' while a certain app is active. I >> know screen readers on other platforms have this capability. I hunted around >> for a while and couldn't turn up anything related to changing VO settings >> depending on what app you're in, not to mention turning it off. I guess >> somebody could do an Applescript to invoke Apple-F5 every time you switch to >> Chrome but that seems like a lot of churn, and still doesn't address other >> VO-enabled apps needing to still work. >> >> CB >> >> On 9/27/11 11:04 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote: >>> Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when >>> Chrome does not have focus. >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> >>>> This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. >>>> Let's say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is >>>> there such a beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome >>>> and that put VO to sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got >>>> out of it, VO would work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't think >>>> such a setting exists. Maybe one should put in a suggestion for this to >>>> Apple a11y. >>>> >>>> /Krister >>>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: >>>> >>>>> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want >>>>> to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I >>>>> even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the >>>>> finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy >>>>> paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be >>>>> turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. >>>>> >>>>> CB >>>>> >>>>> On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>>>> Hi Krister, >>>>>> Pleas see response below inline. >>>>>> On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom<kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page >>>>>>> opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> documentation. >>>>>> ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and >>>>>> documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. >>>>>>> Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain >>>>>>> the chromevox extension. So i wonder where to get the extension. can i >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> it directly from chrome using something or other to get extensions? >>>>>> Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is >>>>>> still part of conversation and contained within this message for all >>>>>> the links to all the details you'll need to get going. >>>>>>> Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? >>>>>> Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. >>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HI Paul, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please see response below inline. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens<paul.erk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Kevin, >>>>>>>>> What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so >>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>> about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that >>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>> have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is >>>>>>>>> already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. >>>>>>>> As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and >>>>>>>> co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, >>>>>>>> empowering, and equalising that I am able to use it as well with a >>>>>>>> consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For >>>>>>>> me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web >>>>>>>> browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also >>>>>>>> tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also >>>>>>>> tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. >>>>>>>> However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, >>>>>>>> and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. >>>>>>>>> 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like >>>>>>>>> safari >>>>>>>>> is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with >>>>>>>>> voiceover >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> start with? >>>>>>>> Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs >>>>>>>> with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with >>>>>>>> HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB >>>>>>>> key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will >>>>>>>> require several attempts, and many other issues. >>>>>>>>> 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of >>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then >>>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>>> you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? >>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>> other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for >>>>>>>>> safari? >>>>>>>> ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, >>>>>>>> removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be >>>>>>>> done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a >>>>>>>> web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver >>>>>>>> do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>>>>>> 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a >>>>>>>>> document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? >>>>>>>> Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's >>>>>>>> possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss >>>>>>>> various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can >>>>>>>> make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as >>>>>>>> they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also >>>>>>>> accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents >>>>>>>> and spreadsheets. >>>>>>>>> 4. What are the current do's and don'ts, that you found out about, in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> environment? In other words, what things is the environment good at, >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> accessibility point of view? >>>>>>>> It's a work in progress, with Google being very interested in >>>>>>>> feedback/input, great open communication, and will soon have updates >>>>>>>> addressing lots of areas, which includes new features, bug fixes, and >>>>>>>> other items, which are based on feedback. Essentially, a great web >>>>>>>> browser and access to standard/new versions of Docs, Calendar, and >>>>>>>> Gmail are the great highlights. >>>>>>>>> Very curious. >>>>>>>> Please give it a try. Google has great documentation (user guide, >>>>>>>> keyboard command reference, Docs screen reader help, and interactive >>>>>>>> tutorial). >>>>>>>>> Paul. >>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible >>>>>>>>>> job with accessibility. In particular, Chrome, ChromeVox (Chrome >>>>>>>>>> extension), Apps (Docs [documents/spreadsheets], Calendar, and >>>>>>>>>> Gmail). >>>>>>>>>> This package results in a very effective, efficient, powerful, and >>>>>>>>>> top-notch productivity suite. All is needed is Chrome, ChromeVox, and >>>>>>>>>> a Gmail/Apps ID. I've been using Google apps, especially >>>>>>>>>> documents/spreadsheets for the last several days within Chrome and >>>>>>>>>> ChromeVox extension and find it to be great. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please see below for all the links/details needed to get going with a >>>>>>>>>> universally accessible, powerful, robust, and first-class >>>>>>>>>> productivity >>>>>>>>>> suite. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering ChromeVox/Apps): >>>>>>>>>> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >>>>>>>>>> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >>>>>>>>>> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >>>>>>>>>> ChromeVox User Guide: >>>>>>>>>> http://t.co/b9ABBkv >>>>>>>>>> Use Google Docs with a screen reader >>>>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/cmeHV >>>>>>>>>> Google accessibility feedback: >>>>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/wePru >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FYI: new/standard UI/look/view is recommended and will work with >>>>>>>>>> Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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