Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when Chrome does not have focus.
On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. Let's > say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is there such a > beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome and that put VO to > sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got out of it, VO would > work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't think such a setting exists. > Maybe one should put in a suggestion for this to Apple a11y. > > /Krister > 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch: > >> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want to >> flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I even >> know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the finder and >> copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy paste some text >> into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be turned off for >> their web app to work seems very problematic. >> >> CB >> >> On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>> Hi Krister, >>> Pleas see response below inline. >>> On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom<kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page >>>> opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site and >>>> documentation. >>> ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and >>> documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. >>>> Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain >>>> the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i get >>>> it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions? >>> Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is >>> still part of conversation and contained within this message for all >>> the links to all the details you'll need to get going. >>>> Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? >>> Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. >>>> /Krister >>>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: >>>> >>>>> HI Paul, >>>>> >>>>> Please see response below inline. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens<paul.erk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Kevin, >>>>>> What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so >>>>>> happy >>>>>> about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people >>>>>> have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is >>>>>> already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. >>>>> As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and >>>>> co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, >>>>> empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a >>>>> consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For >>>>> me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web >>>>> browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also >>>>> tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also >>>>> tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. >>>>> However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, >>>>> and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. >>>>>> 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like >>>>>> safari >>>>>> is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover >>>>>> to >>>>>> start with? >>>>> Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs >>>>> with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with >>>>> HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB >>>>> key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will >>>>> require several attempts, and many other issues. >>>>>> 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? >>>>>> If >>>>>> you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then >>>>>> give >>>>>> you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? In >>>>>> other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for safari? >>>>> ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, >>>>> removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be >>>>> done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a >>>>> web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver >>>>> do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>>> 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a >>>>>> document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? >>>>> Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's >>>>> possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss >>>>> various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can >>>>> make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as >>>>> they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also >>>>> accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents >>>>> and spreadsheets. >>>>>> 4. What are the current do's and don'ts, that you found out about, in the >>>>>> environment? In other words, what things is the environment good at, from >>>>>> an >>>>>> accessibility point of view? >>>>> It's a work in progress, with Google being very interested in >>>>> feedback/input, great open communication, and will soon have updates >>>>> addressing lots of areas, which includes new features, bug fixes, and >>>>> other items, which are based on feedback. Essentially, a great web >>>>> browser and access to standard/new versions of Docs, Calendar, and >>>>> Gmail are the great highlights. >>>>>> Very curious. >>>>> Please give it a try. Google has great documentation (user guide, >>>>> keyboard command reference, Docs screen reader help, and interactive >>>>> tutorial). >>>>>> Paul. >>>>> Kevin >>>>>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible >>>>>>> job with accessibility. In particular, Chrome, ChromeVox (Chrome >>>>>>> extension), Apps (Docs [documents/spreadsheets], Calendar, and Gmail). >>>>>>> This package results in a very effective, efficient, powerful, and >>>>>>> top-notch productivity suite. All is needed is Chrome, ChromeVox, and >>>>>>> a Gmail/Apps ID. I've been using Google apps, especially >>>>>>> documents/spreadsheets for the last several days within Chrome and >>>>>>> ChromeVox extension and find it to be great. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please see below for all the links/details needed to get going with a >>>>>>> universally accessible, powerful, robust, and first-class productivity >>>>>>> suite. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering ChromeVox/Apps): >>>>>>> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >>>>>>> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >>>>>>> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >>>>>>> ChromeVox User Guide: >>>>>>> http://t.co/b9ABBkv >>>>>>> Use Google Docs with a screen reader >>>>>>> http://goo.gl/cmeHV >>>>>>> Google accessibility feedback: >>>>>>> http://goo.gl/wePru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FYI: new/standard UI/look/view is recommended and will work with >>>>>>> Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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