I can't get the chromevox extension installed here at all. I get a message saying that the package is unreadable. Has anyone else seen this?
Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2011-09-29, at 7:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: > Hi all, > I managed to get my chromevox installed and i tested it, and as is so common > amongst us i will now give my thoughts, mostly complaints about it. > I think Chromevox has potential. The navigation, as long as it's basic is > quite nice. I put it through its paces on a swedish site to buy tickets for > one of our railway companies, because it's quite a challenge with any screen > reader. Among the pros are that you can as they put it "zoom in on things" by > navigating by group, object, sentence, word etc. That is very cool. The first > little oddity i found had to do with combo box navigation: > I found that when i tried to navigate a combo box, nothing was spoken. > Luckily i knew what was in the combo box, so when i typed something, like a > number everything worked well. > Now i come to the cons of this screen reader, and to not make the same > mistakes as those who did the voiceover review some years back, i want to > point out that these are my initial impressions, that i could be very wrong > in my assumtions and that i really do want to be corrected if i am wrong > indeed. > The most problematic area in Chromevox as of now is the table navigation > which in my, i repeat my opinion is clumcy especially if you like me have a > keyboard with ctrl only on the left hand side and no insert whatsoever. To > navigate through a table you have to press ctrl+alt+t and then another > letter. The navigation options are quite logical, but as you have to use both > hands when trying to find letters to press and as the ctrl key is only to > the left and there's no way of putting Chromevox into what they referr to as > "sticky mode", it gets awquard and time consuming. > Another thing i hoped for but that doesn't seem to be there, is the > possibility to change voices. It seems only to use the default system voice. > Let's hope all this is addressed in an upcoming version, and as i said, if i > have misunderstood anything of this, please let me know. I don't want to > totally diss Chromevox yet, because i think it's got potential as i said, but > for now i have inactivated the addon. > /Krister > 29 sep 2011 kl. 05:04 skrev Chris Blouch: > >> "Skype, IM, and other alerts/notifications will still work within >> Chrome/ChromeVox, provided their enabled with whatever method." >> >> Interesting. So you're saying that with Chrome/ChromeVox enabled it becomes >> the screen reader and I no longer need voiceover to hear notification from >> other apps such as Skype, AIM, or Adium? I wonder how they do that? So when >> you say they are enabled with some method, what does that mean? Ad you >> saying that as long as they hook into the apple accessibility apis correctly >> ChromeVox should pick up the events? >> >> CB >> >> On 9/27/11 9:20 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>> Voiceover must be off within Chrome, completely off, more than just >>> sounds/TTS being muted. With ChromeVox extension, it becomes the >>> screen reader. ChromeVox keys are same as VoiceOver ones. CMD-F5 is a >>> very effective and efficient way to toggle ON/OFF VoiceOver, it's only >>> one command with no confirmation dialog box. >>> >>> In the case of wanting to flip to a different application, such as >>> VOIP, IM, Mail, Finder, etc. Most of which are possible using Google >>> apps or WebApps. CMD-F5 to turn on VoiceOver, do whatever you need >>> outside of Chrome/ChromeVox, flip back in, turn off VoiceOver. Skype, >>> IM, and other alerts/notifications will still work within >>> Chrome/ChromeVox, provided their enabled with whatever method. >>> >>> Please in my original message, all the links, downloads, help, >>> instructions, etc. were provided, but I'll place them right here: >>> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering ChromeVox/Apps): >>> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >>> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >>> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >>> ChromeVox User Guide: >>> http://t.co/b9ABBkv >>> Use Google Docs with a screen reader >>> http://goo.gl/cmeHV >>> Google accessibility feedback: >>> http://goo.gl/wePru >>> >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> On 9/27/11, Chris Blouch<cblo...@aol.com> wrote: >>>> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want >>>> to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will >>>> I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the >>>> finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy >>>> paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to >>>> be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>>> Hi Krister, >>>>> Pleas see response below inline. >>>>> On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom<kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page >>>>>> opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site >>>>>> and >>>>>> documentation. >>>>> ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and >>>>> documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. >>>>>> Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain >>>>>> the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i >>>>>> get >>>>>> it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions? >>>>> Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is >>>>> still part of conversation and contained within this message for all >>>>> the links to all the details you'll need to get going. >>>>>> Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? >>>>> Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. >>>>>> /Krister >>>>>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: >>>>>> >>>>>>> HI Paul, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please see response below inline. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens<paul.erk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Kevin, >>>>>>>> What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so >>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>> about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is >>>>>>>> already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. >>>>>>> As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and >>>>>>> co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, >>>>>>> empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a >>>>>>> consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For >>>>>>> me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web >>>>>>> browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also >>>>>>> tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also >>>>>>> tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. >>>>>>> However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, >>>>>>> and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. >>>>>>>> 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like >>>>>>>> safari >>>>>>>> is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with >>>>>>>> voiceover >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> start with? >>>>>>> Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs >>>>>>> with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with >>>>>>> HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB >>>>>>> key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will >>>>>>> require several attempts, and many other issues. >>>>>>>> 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? >>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>> you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then >>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>> you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? >>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>> other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for >>>>>>>> safari? >>>>>>> ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, >>>>>>> removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be >>>>>>> done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a >>>>>>> web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver >>>>>>> do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>>>>> 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a >>>>>>>> document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? >>>>>>> Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's >>>>>>> possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss >>>>>>> various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can >>>>>>> make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as >>>>>>> they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also >>>>>>> accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents >>>>>>> and spreadsheets. >>>>>>>> 4. What are the current do's and don'ts, that you found out about, in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> environment? In other words, what things is the environment good at, >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> accessibility point of view? >>>>>>> It's a work in progress, with Google being very interested in >>>>>>> feedback/input, great open communication, and will soon have updates >>>>>>> addressing lots of areas, which includes new features, bug fixes, and >>>>>>> other items, which are based on feedback. Essentially, a great web >>>>>>> browser and access to standard/new versions of Docs, Calendar, and >>>>>>> Gmail are the great highlights. >>>>>>>> Very curious. >>>>>>> Please give it a try. Google has great documentation (user guide, >>>>>>> keyboard command reference, Docs screen reader help, and interactive >>>>>>> tutorial). >>>>>>>> Paul. >>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible >>>>>>>>> job with accessibility. In particular, Chrome, ChromeVox (Chrome >>>>>>>>> extension), Apps (Docs [documents/spreadsheets], Calendar, and Gmail). >>>>>>>>> This package results in a very effective, efficient, powerful, and >>>>>>>>> top-notch productivity suite. All is needed is Chrome, ChromeVox, and >>>>>>>>> a Gmail/Apps ID. I've been using Google apps, especially >>>>>>>>> documents/spreadsheets for the last several days within Chrome and >>>>>>>>> ChromeVox extension and find it to be great. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please see below for all the links/details needed to get going with a >>>>>>>>> universally accessible, powerful, robust, and first-class productivity >>>>>>>>> suite. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering ChromeVox/Apps): >>>>>>>>> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >>>>>>>>> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >>>>>>>>> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >>>>>>>>> ChromeVox User Guide: >>>>>>>>> http://t.co/b9ABBkv >>>>>>>>> Use Google Docs with a screen reader >>>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/cmeHV >>>>>>>>> Google accessibility feedback: >>>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/wePru >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FYI: new/standard UI/look/view is recommended and will work with >>>>>>>>> Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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