Hi all, I managed to get my chromevox installed and i tested it, and as is so common amongst us i will now give my thoughts, mostly complaints about it. I think Chromevox has potential. The navigation, as long as it's basic is quite nice. I put it through its paces on a swedish site to buy tickets for one of our railway companies, because it's quite a challenge with any screen reader. Among the pros are that you can as they put it "zoom in on things" by navigating by group, object, sentence, word etc. That is very cool. The first little oddity i found had to do with combo box navigation: I found that when i tried to navigate a combo box, nothing was spoken. Luckily i knew what was in the combo box, so when i typed something, like a number everything worked well. Now i come to the cons of this screen reader, and to not make the same mistakes as those who did the voiceover review some years back, i want to point out that these are my initial impressions, that i could be very wrong in my assumtions and that i really do want to be corrected if i am wrong indeed. The most problematic area in Chromevox as of now is the table navigation which in my, i repeat my opinion is clumcy especially if you like me have a keyboard with ctrl only on the left hand side and no insert whatsoever. To navigate through a table you have to press ctrl+alt+t and then another letter. The navigation options are quite logical, but as you have to use both hands when trying to find letters to press and as the ctrl key is only to the left and there's no way of putting Chromevox into what they referr to as "sticky mode", it gets awquard and time consuming. Another thing i hoped for but that doesn't seem to be there, is the possibility to change voices. It seems only to use the default system voice. Let's hope all this is addressed in an upcoming version, and as i said, if i have misunderstood anything of this, please let me know. I don't want to totally diss Chromevox yet, because i think it's got potential as i said, but for now i have inactivated the addon. /Krister 29 sep 2011 kl. 05:04 skrev Chris Blouch:
> "Skype, IM, and other alerts/notifications will still work within > Chrome/ChromeVox, provided their enabled with whatever method." > > Interesting. So you're saying that with Chrome/ChromeVox enabled it becomes > the screen reader and I no longer need voiceover to hear notification from > other apps such as Skype, AIM, or Adium? I wonder how they do that? So when > you say they are enabled with some method, what does that mean? Ad you saying > that as long as they hook into the apple accessibility apis correctly > ChromeVox should pick up the events? > > CB > > On 9/27/11 9:20 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> Voiceover must be off within Chrome, completely off, more than just >> sounds/TTS being muted. With ChromeVox extension, it becomes the >> screen reader. ChromeVox keys are same as VoiceOver ones. CMD-F5 is a >> very effective and efficient way to toggle ON/OFF VoiceOver, it's only >> one command with no confirmation dialog box. >> >> In the case of wanting to flip to a different application, such as >> VOIP, IM, Mail, Finder, etc. Most of which are possible using Google >> apps or WebApps. CMD-F5 to turn on VoiceOver, do whatever you need >> outside of Chrome/ChromeVox, flip back in, turn off VoiceOver. Skype, >> IM, and other alerts/notifications will still work within >> Chrome/ChromeVox, provided their enabled with whatever method. >> >> Please in my original message, all the links, downloads, help, >> instructions, etc. were provided, but I'll place them right here: >> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering ChromeVox/Apps): >> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >> ChromeVox User Guide: >> http://t.co/b9ABBkv >> Use Google Docs with a screen reader >> http://goo.gl/cmeHV >> Google accessibility feedback: >> http://goo.gl/wePru >> >> >> Kevin >> >> On 9/27/11, Chris Blouch<cblo...@aol.com> wrote: >>> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want >>> to flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will >>> I even know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the >>> finder and copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy >>> paste some text into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to >>> be turned off for their web app to work seems very problematic. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>> Hi Krister, >>>> Pleas see response below inline. >>>> On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom<kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page >>>>> opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site >>>>> and >>>>> documentation. >>>> ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and >>>> documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective. >>>>> Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain >>>>> the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i >>>>> get >>>>> it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions? >>>> Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is >>>> still part of conversation and contained within this message for all >>>> the links to all the details you'll need to get going. >>>>> Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser? >>>> Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5. >>>>> /Krister >>>>> 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao: >>>>> >>>>>> HI Paul, >>>>>> >>>>>> Please see response below inline. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens<paul.erk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Kevin, >>>>>>> What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so >>>>>>> happy >>>>>>> about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is >>>>>>> already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in. >>>>>> As a college student and an employee where professors, students, and >>>>>> co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting, >>>>>> empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a >>>>>> consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For >>>>>> me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web >>>>>> browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also >>>>>> tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables) and Safari (also >>>>>> tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive. >>>>>> However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs, >>>>>> and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac. >>>>>>> 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like >>>>>>> safari >>>>>>> is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with >>>>>>> voiceover >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> start with? >>>>>> Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs >>>>>> with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with >>>>>> HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB >>>>>> key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will >>>>>> require several attempts, and many other issues. >>>>>>> 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it? >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then >>>>>>> give >>>>>>> you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? >>>>>>> In >>>>>>> other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for >>>>>>> safari? >>>>>> ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome, >>>>>> removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be >>>>>> done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a >>>>>> web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver >>>>>> do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>>>> 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a >>>>>>> document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what? >>>>>> Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's >>>>>> possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss >>>>>> various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can >>>>>> make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as >>>>>> they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also >>>>>> accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents >>>>>> and spreadsheets. >>>>>>> 4. What are the current do's and don'ts, that you found out about, in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> environment? In other words, what things is the environment good at, >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> accessibility point of view? >>>>>> It's a work in progress, with Google being very interested in >>>>>> feedback/input, great open communication, and will soon have updates >>>>>> addressing lots of areas, which includes new features, bug fixes, and >>>>>> other items, which are based on feedback. Essentially, a great web >>>>>> browser and access to standard/new versions of Docs, Calendar, and >>>>>> Gmail are the great highlights. >>>>>>> Very curious. >>>>>> Please give it a try. Google has great documentation (user guide, >>>>>> keyboard command reference, Docs screen reader help, and interactive >>>>>> tutorial). >>>>>>> Paul. >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible >>>>>>>> job with accessibility. In particular, Chrome, ChromeVox (Chrome >>>>>>>> extension), Apps (Docs [documents/spreadsheets], Calendar, and Gmail). >>>>>>>> This package results in a very effective, efficient, powerful, and >>>>>>>> top-notch productivity suite. All is needed is Chrome, ChromeVox, and >>>>>>>> a Gmail/Apps ID. I've been using Google apps, especially >>>>>>>> documents/spreadsheets for the last several days within Chrome and >>>>>>>> ChromeVox extension and find it to be great. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please see below for all the links/details needed to get going with a >>>>>>>> universally accessible, powerful, robust, and first-class productivity >>>>>>>> suite. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google Chrome Canary (Mac/Windows platform powering ChromeVox/Apps): >>>>>>>> http://j.mp/oWZ7Of >>>>>>>> Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension >>>>>>>> http://j.mp/nmnNR5 >>>>>>>> ChromeVox User Guide: >>>>>>>> http://t.co/b9ABBkv >>>>>>>> Use Google Docs with a screen reader >>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/cmeHV >>>>>>>> Google accessibility feedback: >>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/wePru >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FYI: new/standard UI/look/view is recommended and will work with >>>>>>>> Chrome/ChromeVox. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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