Cheree Heppe here: Notepad isn't enough for me, so I am hoping that the Apple alternative to Office is comparable.
Regards, Cheree Heppe ----- Original Message ----- From: "ISAAC OBIE" <coac...@verizon.net> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:51 AM Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver > Hi Kawal, > Frankly, I don't like programs like MS Word because it's too big for what I > want to do. It's huge, clumsy and plain a pain in the posterior. I love > notepad! I think Notepad can do all I want including cleaning up a file. > Now when I really get in to the Mac I think Text edit might do the trick. I > honestly don't know yet. Maybe Esther's "Simplenote" might do it. I'll have > to explore that at some point. > Isaac > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" <kawal_gucuko...@sent.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:27 AM > Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver > > >>I too will be switching to I works rather than working with Microsoft >>Products in the future. >> >> >> Kawal Gucukoglu >> >> On 27 Sep 2010, at 12:53 AM, gkearney <gkear...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It is interesting to note that the ribbons were accessible, much of >>> the user interface is as well. It is the main content areas that are >>> not accessible. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Sep 27, 6:16 am, "Dave Taylor" <davetay...@tafn.org.uk> wrote: >>>> I bet that if they tried, they would soon realise that the ribbons would >>>> be >>>> difficult if not impossible to implement with VO anyway. As it is, their >>>> insistence on these awful things is one of my key drivers for making the >>>> switch, though there are many others too. Mike, the podcast where you >>>> install Snow Leopard is as good a demonstration as anything of how far >>>> things have come on the Mac side, I'm afraid it is the opposite story, >>>> almost the reverse story, on the windows side! >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:03 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver >>>> >>>> I don't think he said it was a beta. It is very disappointing indeed, >>>> really, Microsoft has no excuse for this one, it's not like they were >>>> not >>>> aware of accessibility and voice over, they just chose not to do >>>> anything >>>> with it. Apple has created a built in screen reader and provided the >>>> APIs to >>>> make programs accessible, Microsoft has definitely shown their interest >>>> in >>>> this. At least on the mac, there are alternatives that will handle >>>> Microsoft >>>> Office files, namely iwork and open office. >>>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Greg, >>>> >>>>> Thank you so much for providing this info. >>>> >>>>> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of >>>>> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility. >>>> >>>>> Wow! >>>> >>>>> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was >>>>> completely accessible. That is to say, as soon as one launched the >>>>> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if >>>> audio >>>>> assistance was required. This came as a total surprise to me, to say >>>>> the >>>>> least. I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7 >>>>> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever. I installed that first >>>>> beta >>>> on >>>>> three of my computers. By the way, the voice that was used to guide me >>>>> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer. >>>> >>>>> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this >>>> feature >>>>> was removed. I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least. >>>> >>>>> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh. >>>> >>>>> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's >>>>> reason >>>> for >>>>> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security >>>>> concerns; >>>>> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!!!!!" Or, to put it in the vernacular, >>>>> "That's a load of crap!!!!" >>>> >>>>> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be >>>> VoiceOver >>>>> accessible? I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not? Perhaps I'm >>>>> just >>>>> grasping at straws, eh? (Smile) >>>> >>>>> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one. >>>> >>>>> Most Sincerely, >>>> >>>>> mark >>>>> - >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney >>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary >>>>> Beth >>>>> Janes; Mike Shebanek >>>>> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver >>>> >>>>> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test >>>>> Microsoft >>>>> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than >>>>> in >>>>> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to >>>>> interact >>>>> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to >>>>> review, >>>>> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel. >>>> >>>>> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever >>>> fixing >>>>> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same >>>>> failing >>>>> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs >>>>> they >>>>> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak >>>>> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on >>>>> the >>>>> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment >>>>> to >>>>> the platform as well. >>>> >>>>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media >>>>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA >>>>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA >>>> 6100 >>>>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 |www.guidedogswa.com.au >>>>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America) >>>>> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au >>>>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group >>>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group >>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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